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Hey guys i just got my muscle and fitness magazine and it says the main ingredient on CLEAR MUSCLE is betaTOR a free acid derivative of HMB
 
Markos4 said:
Hey guys i just got my muscle and fitness magazine and it says the main ingredient on CLEAR MUSCLE is betaTOR a free acid derivative of HMB
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betaTOR.... sounds like something from Jurassic Park.

Maybe Muscletech was able to extract DNA from... nevermind, lol too easy.
 
Markos4 said:
Hey guys i just got my muscle and fitness magazine and it says the main ingredient on CLEAR MUSCLE is betaTOR a free acid derivative of HMB
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So the turd has finally dropped. Anyone think this stuff is the real deal? I've been having good luck with these acid type supplements
 
aaronuconn said:
This info was released a while ago. Check here:

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Thanks A+, I think I'll wait on this one until other people start using it. I got a good thing going anyway
 
I'm leaning towards running the HMB-FA instead of what I originally planned on running (Micro-PA) in the summer. I'm guessing that it would probably be cheaper than Micro-PA overall plus the study on the HMB-FA appears to be more promising. I'm pretty excited about this product now based on the data, not on the insane marketing :P
 
kissdadookie said:
I'm leaning towards running the HMB-FA instead of what I originally planned on running (Micro-PA) in the summer. I'm guessing that it would probably be cheaper than Micro-PA overall plus the study on the HMB-FA appears to be more promising. I'm pretty excited about this product now based on the data, not on the insane marketing :P
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are you going to train until you puke like the study?
 
blacklac said:
are you going to train until you puke like the study?
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I haven't puked yet... but I do regularly train to the point where some of my following week's workouts I would lose reps on because I haven't fully recovered yet... I'm thinking that HMB-FA would be suitable for such a scenario?
 
kissdadookie said:
I haven't puked yet... but I do regularly train to the point where some of my following week's workouts I would lose reps on because I haven't fully recovered yet... I'm thinking that HMB-FA would be suitable for such a scenario?
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Sounds like you should start putting money aside for a new wardrobe then. :D You going to log it?
 
blacklac said:
Sounds like you should start putting money aside for a new wardrobe then. :D You going to log it?
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I'm considering it... would really depend on when the logging opportunities start or how late I am allowed to start my log. Sometime next week I'm going to start cutting, that's basically when I finish this second bottle of ABE (this run of new ABE was considerably better than my first run of OG ABE months ago). So the soonest I can really log the stuff is like end of spring/beginning of summer. I don't see the point of running the product if I'm going to be at a caloric deficit... but then again... there was a bb.com article from a long while back where the author was cutting and high dosing regular HMB and apparently he actually gained a considerable amount of lean mass even on a caloric deficit... so there is that... hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
 
kissdadookie said:
I haven't puked yet... but I do regularly train to the point where some of my following week's workouts I would lose reps on because I haven't fully recovered yet... I'm thinking that HMB-FA would be suitable for such a scenario?
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Dude srs try branched cyclic dextrin and peptopro during workouts. It's pretty sweet stuff you can buy in bulk
 
fightnews said:
Dude srs try branched cyclic dextrin and peptopro during workouts. It's pretty sweet stuff you can buy in bulk
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I use the cyclic dextrin. Been using it for months now (GlycoFuse). Never found the need to use Peptopro though because I do use aminos pre and intra. ;) I do like the HB cyclic dextrin, I'm usually in the gym lifting 2 hours minimum, 2.5 hours average I would reckon and in the early morning at that.
 
kissdadookie said:
I use the cyclic dextrin. Been using it for months now (GlycoFuse). Never found the need to use Peptopro though because I do use aminos pre and intra. ;) I do like the HB cyclic dextrin, I'm usually in the gym lifting 2 hours minimum, 2.5 hours average I would reckon and in the early morning at that.
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Nice, Yeah I just found out about it and I definitely noticed the difference right away. I used to use extend alot and I think this is way better

Thats a lot o lifting
 
fightnews said:
Nice, Yeah I just found out about it and I definitely noticed the difference right away. I used to use extend alot and I think this is way betterThats a lot o lifting
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I wouldn't say it's magic powder or anything, but it's very easy on my stomach. GlycoFuse also tastes really good and refreshing plus I don't have to do half scoop or like I had to with Karbolyn since each scoop of GlycoFuse is 25 grams of of HBCD @ 100 calories (Karbolyn when I used it in the past, I recall it being 200 cals per scoop?). I basically like having some nutrients in my system when I go workout out first thing in the morning vs. actually eating food or drinking a protein shake (the protein shake before a workout thing I tried before, sometimes my stomach would be fine, sometimes it doesn't handle it well).Yeah, 2-2.5 hours 6 days a week. Basically 2 body part splits. 1 day of deadlifts, legs, and abs + obliques. 1 day push pull + higher rep arms isolation work. The splits are: shoulders, traps and legs/chest and bis/back and tris.
 
kissdadookie said:
I wouldn't say it's magic powder or anything, but it's very easy on my stomach. GlycoFuse also tastes really good and refreshing plus I don't have to do half scoop or like I had to with Karbolyn since each scoop of GlycoFuse is 25 grams of of HBCD @ 100 calories (Karbolyn when I used it in the past, I recall it being 200 cals per scoop?). I basically like having some nutrients in my system when I go workout out first thing in the morning vs. actually eating food or drinking a protein shake (the protein shake before a workout thing I tried before, sometimes my stomach would be fine, sometimes it doesn't handle it well).Yeah, 2-2.5 hours 6 days a week. Basically 2 body part splits. 1 day of deadlifts, legs, and abs + obliques. 1 day push pull + higher rep arms isolation work. The splits are: shoulders, traps and legs/chest and bis/back and tris.
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you must be in phenomenal shape, So do you think the peptopro part of it is a waste of money?
 
fightnews said:
you must be in phenomenal shape, So do you think the peptopro part of it is a waste of money?
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Far from phenomenal shape lol but for the period of time I've been hitting it hard, pretty drastic body comp changes. Can't wait to cut for the summer and see how much I've gained this far ;)i don't think peptopro is a waste of money per se, but adequate leucine supplementation or AA supplementation would most likely create the same spike to prompt mTOR. It's an excellent leucine and EAA source though.
 
Synapsin said:
The marketing for this seems a bit outrageous, I thought they had moved past the crazy claims.
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The marketing is a bit much, but those were the numbers from the study. If you read the study, you will see that the training regimen was very aggressive, so if people don't work out with that kind of intensity, their results will probably differ. That being said, a couple normal guys at corporate that I know ran it for a month each and had nice results. I personally look forward to running this myself to see what kind of difference it makes for me.
 
kissdadookie said:
I wouldn't say it's magic powder or anything, but it's very easy on my stomach. GlycoFuse also tastes really good and refreshing plus I don't have to do half scoop or like I had to with Karbolyn since each scoop of GlycoFuse is 25 grams of of HBCD @ 100 calories (Karbolyn when I used it in the past, I recall it being 200 cals per scoop?). I basically like having some nutrients in my system when I go workout out first thing in the morning vs. actually eating food or drinking a protein shake (the protein shake before a workout thing I tried before, sometimes my stomach would be fine, sometimes it doesn't handle it well).Yeah, 2-2.5 hours 6 days a week. Basically 2 body part splits. 1 day of deadlifts, legs, and abs + obliques. 1 day push pull + higher rep arms isolation work. The splits are: shoulders, traps and legs/chest and bis/back and tris.
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Yes 200 cal per scoop

Carbion by allmax

Waxybolic by nutrabolics are better IMO.
 
EBF Inc said:
Yes 200 cal per scoop

Carbion by allmax

Waxybolic by nutrabolics are better IMO.
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I saw Carbion on an e-mail recently... tempted. Cheaper than the GlycoFuse I've been using as well.

MultiVitamin said:
What was the routine they ran during the study?
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Training to overreach. Basically to the point where if one pushed just a bit more, they would actually be officially overtraining. Placebo group basically started losing strength whilst the HMB-FA group maintained and/or gained strength.
 
Dewey99 said:
The marketing is a bit much, but those were the numbers from the study. If you read the study, you will see that the training regimen was very aggressive, so if people don't work out with that kind of intensity, their results will probably differ. That being said, a couple normal guys at corporate that I know ran it for a month each and had nice results. I personally look forward to running this myself to see what kind of difference it makes for me.
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Yea I'm looking forward to seeing what the price point is and seeing more results posted from people.
 
R1balla said:
If ima spend 150, ima get ArA and Prime and get some legit gains :)
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The HMB-FA study does look like legit gains though. Looks like the way it works is mainly via an anti-catabolic action and it appears to work differently from leucine so leucine =/= HMB-FA.What is unclear however is what benefits would it yield for the types of programs most people workout with, in the study that was basically training regularly to the point just before officially over training. Heck, because of the HMB-FA, they were probably already in over training territory if it wasn't for the HMB-FA, since the placebo group was losing strength and essentially going backwards in progress.
 
kissdadookie said:
I saw Carbion on an e-mail recently... tempted. Cheaper than the GlycoFuse I've been using as well.



Training to overreach. Basically to the point where if one pushed just a bit more, they would actually be officially overtraining. Placebo group basically started losing strength whilst the HMB-FA group maintained and/or gained strength.
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I heard it tastes like Azz
 
kissdadookie said:
The HMB-FA study does look like legit gains though. Looks like the way it works is mainly via an anti-catabolic action and it appears to work differently from leucine so leucine =/= HMB-FA.What is unclear however is what benefits would it yield for the types of programs most people workout with, in the study that was basically training regularly to the point just before officially over training. Heck, because of the HMB-FA, they were probably already in over training territory if it wasn't for the HMB-FA, since the placebo group was losing strength and essentially going backwards in progress.
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full study has not been published. How do you come to that conclusion without knowing the total kcals and amount of protein given to the groups?
 
USPlabsRep said:
full study has not been published. How do you come to that conclusion without knowing the total kcals and amount of protein given to the groups?
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The only additional give to the placebo group AND the HMB-FA group was 30 grams of Dymatize ISO-100 w/ their dose of placebo/HMB-FA.

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Mind you, this was a randomized double blind placebo study so I don't see how the variables you mentioned puts this study up for contention given the type of study this was and the provided data.
 
kissdadookie said:
The only additional give to the placebo group AND the HMB-FA group was 30 grams of Dymatize ISO-100 w/ their dose of placebo/HMB-FA.

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Mind you, this was a randomized double blind placebo study so I don't see how the variables you mentioned puts this study up for contention given the type of study this was and the provided data.
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That is not the full study. That is a presentation of the study in a publication.

I hope it turns out great for you...
 
USPlabsRep said:
That is not the full study. That is a presentation of the study in a publication.

I hope it turns out great for you...
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Thanks for being snarky there buddy! Must be great to be you :D

Anyhoot, it's still a randomized double blind placebo study, so the nutrition administered is going to be the same for both groups and the only variable here really is going to be one group getting the placebo whilst the other gets the HMB-FA. So again, how does the variable you have mentioned even matter in this scenario when the only variable here is really placebo vs. HMB-FA with everything else constant.
 
USPlabsRep said:
That is not the full study. That is a presentation of the study in a publication. I hope it turns out great for you...
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Dr. Wilson will give you the detailed data from the study if you request it.The study was performed a long time ago, Wilson was talking about it on his podcast with Norton over a year ago, it has just now gotten published.
 
kissdadookie said:
The Carbion? Can't be that bad, it's just carbs powder mostly... I assumed that it would taste like sugar water more or less.
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I might be thinking of something else
 
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