I'm on Phosphatidic acid Ya'll

BigGame84 said:
Going well. Notice muscle pumps during workouts and muscle fullness. Also experiencing increased appetite. Strength slightly up. Would dose higher but cost is keeping me to 6/day 1 hour preworkout.
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Any benefits known of dosing more than 6 caps a day? It seems that the studied dose was at the amount in 6 caps so I was planning on running it as per label instructions.
 
BigGame84 said:
Going well. Notice muscle pumps during workouts and muscle fullness. Also experiencing increased appetite. Strength slightly up. Would dose higher but cost is keeping me to 6/day 1 hour preworkout.
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Me too on everything
 
So strength, pumps and muscle fullness could all be attributed to eating more. How are your guys diets comparing before starting and now? Were you bulking before?
 
blacklac said:
So strength, pumps and muscle fullness could all be attributed to eating more. How are your guys diets comparing before starting and now? Were you bulking before?
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I have cut my daily calorie intake since I started as I want to cut before summer. This makes it difficult as the product increases my appetite but I've done a good job so far.
 
blacklac said:
So strength, pumps and muscle fullness could all be attributed to eating more. How are your guys diets comparing before starting and now? Were you bulking before?
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Could be, I just started lifting again after a long long break but I've been really big before. I'm making crazy gains and taking a lot of different supps. But pa is prob the only thing new I've used and I've been lifting almost 25 years so I know my body pretty well. I honestly feel the pa has made a noticable diffrence since I started taking it and for the first 20 days or so I wasn't really using much else. Personal experience with a supplement is obviously very very subjective though but I haveny read a bad review yet. Id really like to double dose but the price is to high
 
I think Im going to start taking a half dose at bedtime. Seems like a good time if pa really does signal muscle growth no?

Just in case anybody was wondering I'm also really getting behind agamatine. I feel pumped all day on it its ridiculous.
 
I'm not a huge bio test fan anymore (made great gains with 4ad and surge 12+ years ago)... but on the other hand they have been pimping forskolin for quite some time and it just now seems to be becoming popular... so they may have something, just have to wait for it to be produced by someone who doesn't have a cult following and has to price to match the market
 
.....and what are you claiming this stuff does exactly?
Increase appetite or allow you to eat w/o gaining fat?

Wha'ts the supposed purpose/sales pitch of this stuff?

Thanks

fightnews said:
I dont know I notice im eating like a house more then when I used prohormones
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Whacked said:
.....and what are you claiming this stuff does exactly?
Increase appetite or allow you to eat w/o gaining fat?

Wha'ts the supposed purpose/sales pitch of this stuff?

Thanks
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It signals mTOR in two ways. Intra-cellular as well as from outside of the cells is what I understand of it. This has actual human data (pretty recent as well) that backs up its MOA.

For reference:
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From that post you can find the references at the bottom of the post.
 
I'm finishing my third bottle. I won't be purchasing again as I really didn't notice anything besides some extra hunger in the beginning which could have been random.
 
Thanks brudahhhhh ;)

kissdadookie said:
It signals mTOR in two ways. Intra-cellular as well as from outside of the cells is what I understand of it. This has actual human data (pretty recent as well) that backs up its MOA. For reference: Invalid Link Removed From that post you can find the references at the bottom of the post.
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kissdadookie said:
It signals mTOR in two ways. Intra-cellular as well as from outside of the cells is what I understand of it. This has actual human data (pretty recent as well) that backs up its MOA. For reference: Invalid Link Removed From that post you can find the references at the bottom of the post.
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Nice, thanks man!
 
GreenMachineX said:
I know your asking fight news but like I mentioned in the other phosphatidic acid thread, I won't purchase this again. On my third bottle of Micro-PA now.
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I agree with GMX. Had high hopes, was bummed when it didn't do anything. Same with a friend of mine.
 
For what it's worth, 5 days ago I made an attempt for the first time on the 85s for db flat bench. Failed 3 times in a row. This morning, they went up for 4 reps on the first go.Granted I'm using CM/HMB-FA right now but that's not really an anabolic to begin with (and today is the end of a 2back to back training weeks thing with no rest days, so I really went at it trying to trash everything). IMO, preliminary impressions here is that the HMB is notably improving recovery whilst PA is still doing it's thing for me in terms of continued strength increases. That's just my anecdotal experience though so please, nobody go jumping to conclusions that I'm somehow backing product claims :P
 
SauceMonkey22 said:
bump to this, about to possibly get two bottles of King.
@Invalid Link Removed how you liking it and how long have you been running it now?
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been about 3 months im kinda used to it by now. i'm only taking 4 caps per day. i look great but i take a bunch of other stuff to
 
GreenMachineX said:
I know your asking fight news but like I mentioned in the other phosphatidic acid thread, I won't purchase this again. On my third bottle of Micro-PA now.
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todd muelheim said:
I agree with GMX. Had high hopes, was bummed when it didn't do anything. Same with a friend of mine.
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I have to say I don't believe you guys, the stuff def works. Aren't you the guys who go around bashing every supplement? I haven't heard anybody not making gains with the stuff. If u 2 are serious you must be doing something wrong? You can not make gains on anything if you are not eating properly?
 
kissdadookie said:
Try to ramp up training a bit since you're running HMB-FA, I can't seem to destroy my muscles in training. LoL.
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try boxing? hit the heavy bag a few times a week. you will destroy every muscle in your body
 
fightnews said:
I have to say I don't believe you guys, the stuff def works. Aren't you the guys who go around bashing every supplement? I haven't heard anybody not making gains with the stuff. If u 2 are serious you must be doing something wrong? You can not make gains on anything if you are not eating properly?
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No. I don't go around bashing any supplements actually. I didn't even say I didn't make any gains. Check out the other PA thread. I've been having fantastic results the past few months, but it's not anything I can't attribute to what ArA and Alphamine are providing. Therefore, I won't spend anymore money on this particular supplement. Could it be enhancing ArA? Sure, maybe, but not enough to spend $3 a day on a single supplement. Especially when things like Anabeta, ArA, and now follidrone can be had for much cheaper and possibly more effective. In glad it worked for you though.
 
fightnews said:
I have to say I don't believe you guys, the stuff def works. Aren't you the guys who go around bashing every supplement? I haven't heard anybody not making gains with the stuff. If u 2 are serious you must be doing something wrong? You can not make gains on anything if you are not eating properly?
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Fightnews you seriously are such a douchebag. I think ArA is phenomenal, I comments on Viron's effectiveness 2 days ago, Anabeta Elite exceeded my expectations and I also love Plazma. Why don't you go piss on a spark plug.
 
GreenMachineX said:
No. I don't go around bashing any supplements actually. I didn't even say I didn't make any gains. Check out the other PA thread. I've been having fantastic results the past few months, but it's not anything I can't attribute to what ArA and Alphamine are providing. Therefore, I won't spend anymore money on this particular supplement. Could it be enhancing ArA? Sure, maybe, but not enough to spend $3 a day on a single supplement. Especially when things like Anabeta, ArA, and now follidrone can be had for much cheaper and possibly more effective. In glad it worked for you though.
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I think that the PA should have been used on a separate run tbh. I've ran ArA twice and the second run wasn't as good as the first run but the PA was as good if not better (at this point, I would say it's overall better, but I am on my 3rd bottle of PA) than my first ArA run. Of course this is just my own experience so ymmv, but you get the point ;)
 
kissdadookie said:
I think that the PA should have been used on a separate run tbh. I've ran ArA twice and the second run wasn't as good as the first run but the PA was as good if not better (at this point, I would say it's overall better, but I am on my 3rd bottle of PA) than my first ArA run. Of course this is just my own experience so ymmv, but you get the point ;)
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Would you say it's worth $3 a day?
 
GreenMachineX said:
Would you say it's worth $3 a day?
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I think the price is going to come down on it down the road. BPI's King is already incredibly priced in comparison to Micro-PA. So when the price stabilizes, it's a staple supplement IMO. Right now it's just really new and thus really high pricing for what's currently available (but King is insanely priced, on sale it was $35, regular price is like $40. 30 day supply so its 50% more product than Biotest).
 
fightnews said:
I have to say I don't believe you guys, the stuff def works. Aren't you the guys who go around bashing every supplement? I haven't heard anybody not making gains with the stuff. If u 2 are serious you must be doing something wrong? You can not make gains on anything if you are not eating properly?
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tried it yrs ago, was not impressed in the least..
hence, i can say it does not work for me, and would never recommend it to anyone else

todd muelheim said:
Fightnews you seriously are such a douchebag.
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wow, a bit unneeded don't you think?
i tend to frown on anyone who calls someone else douchebag on a forum, my god
unless i am missing something here, like an inside joke....i feel it is appalling

I think ArA is phenomenal
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and i on the contrary think it is worthless
3 bottles of that with the OG x-factor, couple yrs back when it first came out..
waste of $ imo, and would never advise it for anyone else
inB4 i am douchebag now too...
 
I'm not so keen on a thread calling a quarter of the gym going population douche bags but one step at a time:D
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
tried it yrs ago, was not impressed in the least.. hence, i can say it does not work for me, and would never recommend it to anyone else wow, a bit unneeded don't you think? i tend to frown on anyone who calls someone else douchebag on a forum, my god unless i am missing something here, like an inside joke....i feel it is appalling and i on the contrary think it is worthless 3 bottles of that with the OG x-factor, couple yrs back when it first came out.. waste of $ imo, and would never advise it for anyone else inB4 i am douchebag now too...
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No, the difference is I make comments on supplements and he is making comments on people. Por ejemplo, I love DAA and he hates it. I respect his opinion because everybody reacts differently. I also respect your opinion on ArA because, again, everyone is different. To randomly call myself and GM out as "guys who bash supplements" or whatever is ignorant and inappropriate. So, no I don't think you're a dbag, but I still think Fightnews is.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
tried it yrs ago, was not impressed in the least..
hence, i can say it does not work for me, and would never recommend it to anyone else

wow, a bit unneeded don't you think?
i tend to frown on anyone who calls someone else douchebag on a forum, my god
unless i am missing something here, like an inside joke....i feel it is appalling

and i on the contrary think it is worthless
3 bottles of that with the OG x-factor, couple yrs back when it first came out..
waste of $ imo, and would never advise it for anyone else
inB4 i am douchebag now too...
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How did you try it years ago when bioavailable PA has only been out for less than a year?
 
kissdadookie said:
I think the price is going to come down on it down the road. BPI's King is already incredibly priced in comparison to Micro-PA. So when the price stabilizes, it's a staple supplement IMO. Right now it's just really new and thus really high pricing for what's currently available (but King is insanely priced, on sale it was $35, regular price is like $40. 30 day supply so its 50% more product than Biotest).
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Oh, yeah, I'm game with all that too when the price comes down, but not until then for me.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
maybe you refer to micro PA...i don't know
but - that's funny you think PA itself has only been out that long tho :D been available for long while
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It has been out but it wasn't very bioavailable. Cheminutra put our their Mediator less than a year ago and that's the one with good bioavailibility. It's in Maxxxtor, Micro-PA, and now King. It's different from what was previously available.
 
+1 PA... just started KING today
no increase in strength really but im able to push out more reps in the same amount of time maybe that is an increase in strength but nothing major
 
SauceMonkey22 said:
@Invalid Link Removed would you recommend during a cut?
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Depends on goals I guess. Optimally you would want to use it during maintenance or a bulk because it is anabolic (it directly stimulates mTOR via two different pathways which are independent and different from how HICA and leucine works to signal mTOR). So for optimal gains in strength and/or muscle, you would of course want your nutrition to be conducive to the enhanced anabolism. There's also an interesting glycogen and water retention within muscles effect with this stuff that was surprising to me.

On a cut, theoretically I guess the stuff could be muscle sparing as it helps keep you more anabolic, but leucine and/or HICA is cheaper and would also be muscle sparing on a cut, though IMO I feel that there needs to be a study done using both together (leucine/HICA + PA) to see if there's some sort of ceiling for the increased mTOR activation. I do have a leucine spike preworkout and I have seen increased strength gains as well as the glycogen and water retention within muscles that leucine on it's own did no illicit so IMO, this stuff works well with as well as works better than leucine/HICA on its own.

If you can find King on sale or wish to give the regular $40 price for a bottle a go for a cut, I think it would only benefit you but you will need to decide if the cost is worth it. You can probably maintain or even gain some strength using it though is what I think about it, but again, optimally this stuff is most likely better suited during maintenance or a bulk.
 
todd muelheim said:
I love both of them and idc what anyone says the orange flavoring is incredible I drink them like water.
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I have so many extra bottles of flavouring. LoL. Because my serving of Plazma I mix with preworkouts so it doesn't need flavouring. I've also stopped measuring out the flavouring into the cap, I just pour it straight from the bottle into the Mag-10 :P Haven't tried the orange, I over did it with the lemon so I've been using that.
 
todd muelheim said:
No, the difference is I make comments on supplements and he is making comments on people. Por ejemplo, I love DAA and he hates it. I respect his opinion because everybody reacts differently. I also respect your opinion on ArA because, again, everyone is different. To randomly call myself and GM out as "guys who bash supplements" or whatever is ignorant and inappropriate. So, no I don't think you're a dbag, but I still think Fightnews is.
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i asked if you were those guys because there are some notorious sup bashers on here
 
fightnews said:
i asked if you were those guys because there are some notorious sup bashers on here
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It comes across as accusatory. Like, hey Fightnews aren't you that guy who sticks squirrels up his ass then dances to salsa music? See what I mean? Anyway, keep updating on PA. Maybe after my folli run I'll give it another shot and see what happens. Cheers.
 
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