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The Irony of Atheism

This well known Atheist (bottom of post) may as well have been speaking about you all.

He sharply criticizes/rebukes Hitchens (incredibly intelligent; certainly more so academically speaking than any of us) for attempting to school people in areas he has no comprehensive knowledge in and thus, no business doing.

If these rudimentary "simpleton" posts by a few of you are thought of as compelling in anyway, it's flat out frightening how you also probably view yourself as something you're definitely not. Lol

The unwarranted inflated egos here are not only misplaced but scary. Nevertheless, thank you for the laughs. :p

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Whacked said:
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DR D!!! How are ya man

Great to see ya
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What's up man! I'm good. Just checkin' in on my homies. :)

But what's the damn deal with all these haters up in here? I mean, atheism is ironic. Truly. So do fools honestly not see that, or they're really just the troll patrol?
 
Whacked said:
This well known Atheist (bottom of post) may as well have been speaking about you all.

He sharply criticizes/rebukes Hitchens (incredibly intelligent; certainly more so academically speaking than any of us) for attempting to school people in areas he has no comprehensive knowledge in and thus, no business doing.

If these rudimentary "simpleton" posts by a few of you are thought of as compelling in anyway, it's flat out frightening how you also probably view yourself as something you're definitely not. Lol

The unwarranted inflated egos here are not only misplaced but scary. Nevertheless, thank you for the laughs. :p

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ad hominem and straw man attacks, good job
 
DR.D said:
What's up man! I'm good. Just checkin' in on my homies. :)

But what's the damn deal with all these haters up in here? I mean, atheism is ironic. Truly. So do fools honestly not see that, or they're really just the troll patrol?
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So in your opinion, how is Atheism ironic? By all means, school the fools.
 
BoneDaddy said:
So in your opinion, how is Atheism ironic? By all means, school the fools.
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Well what's your def of atheism? Maybe we do agree, but we're just miscommunication.

I call atheism the inverse belief in a "god or gods" or whatever you might call a causal power relating to the existence of this universe.

Are we on the same track, or are using a different kind of definition?
 
DR.D said:
Well what's your def of atheism? Maybe we do agree, but we're just miscommunication.

I call atheism the inverse belief in a "god or gods" or whatever you might call a causal power relating to the existence of this universe.

Are we on the same track, or are using a different kind of definition?
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Atheism is the rejection of the existence of deities or the absence of belief that any deities exist.
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And surely there is no miscommunication in this thread!!
 
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From the end:

"...Even believers, then, live their lives according to science and reason 99% of the time. It's only regarding that other 1% of things--which concerns issues like the creation of the universe, or faith in a supernatural power--that many believers depart from the scientific consensus. I imagine most religious people are as rigid about a belief in gravity as the average atheist, so why is the atheist scolded for rigid scientism when he or she also believes in the areas of science that conflict with religion?

I yearn to read a piece that, rather than scolding atheists for being scientifically minded, actually noted that we are all scientifically minded. And hooray for us."
 
Glad all is well manggg ;)

DR.D said:
What's up man! I'm good. Just checkin' in on my homies. :) But what's the damn deal with all these haters up in here? I mean, atheism is ironic. Truly. So do fools honestly not see that, or they're really just the troll patrol?
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BoneDaddy said:
Atheism is the rejection of the existence of deities or the absence of belief that any deities exist
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Sure you're not an anti-theist? LOL. From your posts, I would challenge your position/declaration.

But I'm the ignoramus huh? LMBO

Atheism - No belief in any deities
Anti-Theism - Opposes all belief in deities.

An atheist says 'I don't believe in God.'. An anti-theist says nobody should believe in God.

MORE.....

""""Atheism and anti-theism so often occur together at the same time and in the same person that it's understandable if many people fail to realize that they aren't the same. Making note of the difference is important, however, because not every atheist is anti-theistic and even those who are, aren't anti-theistic all the time. Atheism is simply the absence of belief in gods; anti-theism is a conscious and deliberate opposition to theism. Many atheists are also anti-theists, but not all.

When defined broadly as simply the absence of belief in gods, atheism covers territory that isn't quite compatible with anti-theism. People who are indifferent to the existence of alleged gods are atheists because they don't believe in the existence of any gods, but at the same time this indifference prevents them from being anti-theists as well. To a degree, this describes many if not most atheists because there are plenty of alleged gods they simply don't care about and, therefore, also don't care enough to attack belief in such gods.""""
 
Dirty Dan said:
The way this thread is going, I would not be surprised if Dave Mustaine chimes in here.
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That's a good one. :)

Poor ol' Dave has clearly been relentlessly diverted, like many with an over and over Sisyphus script, but it seems he is getting closer.

Just the fact that guys like him believe should tell you something, and the fact that he switched sides so late in the game tells you even more.
 
I know atheists aren't behind the Arizona proposal to discriminate against gays which masquerades as "religious freedom."

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BoneDaddy said:
Atheism is the rejection of the existence of deities or the absence of belief that any deities exist.
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And surely there is no miscommunication in this thread!!
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Yeah, there was a miscommunication! Because you're using a broader definition than I was, but now I understand where you're coming from.

To me an atheist rejects the existence of god (which is necessarily ironic because he can't prove it) while the 'absence of belief' is simply called agnostic. 2 different animals.

Technically speaking, the atheist is a hypocritical loser, because he asserts an unsubstantiated claim (belief) in the same exact way as he accuses the believer of doing! In other words, how can he believe there is no god when he can't justify his belief any better than the other guy? It's not a valid argument because it's actually a logical fallacy, but losers never see irony until the last move in the game.

However, an agnostic knows he can't prove it one way or the other, so he "believes" in nothing. He can't be wrong either way like that, so it's his only legitimate winning move. Maybe there is a god, maybe not, but at least he doesn't play the fool before he knows better. This is an honest position that can't be argued by either side, and I can respect any man who claims to be agnostic. See what I mean?
 
DR.D said:
Yeah, there was a miscommunication! Because you're using a broader definition than I was, but now I understand where you're coming from.

To me an atheist rejects the existence of god (which is necessarily ironic because he can't prove it) while the 'absence of belief' is simply called agnostic. 2 different animals.

Technically speaking, the atheist is a hypocritical loser, because he asserts an unsubstantiated claim (belief) in the same exact way as he accuses the believer of doing! In other words, how can he believe there is no god when he can't justify his belief any better than the other guy? It's not a valid argument because it's actually a logical fallacy, but losers never see irony until the last move in the game.

However, an agnostic knows he can't prove it one way or the other, so he "believes" in nothing. He can't be wrong either way like that, so it's his only legitimate winning move. Maybe there is a god, maybe not, but at least he doesn't play the fool before he knows better. This is an honest position that can't be argued by either side, and I can respect any man who claims to be agnostic. See what I mean?
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Oh, I see exactly what you mean. You called me a hypocritical loser and that you can't respect an Atheist. Am I far off?
 
Nope. I'd say you're spot on :D

Doc: well done

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You called me a hypocritical loser and that you can't respect an Atheist. Am I far off?
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I had to look this dude up. Lol

Was never a hard rock guy.

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"""At the same time, Mustaine's personal life once again underwent change. It was during this period that Mustaine became a Christian. He expressed his intent to withdraw from a show in Greece that had Rotting Christ and Dissection opening for Megadeth.[19][20] Mustaine told The Daily Times during a recent interview, his own world was already shattered, and becoming a Christian was the one way he's found to put the pieces back together. "I went back to being a Jehovah's Witness, but I wasn't happy with that." He later said in an interview, "Looking up at the cross, I said six simple words, 'What have I got to lose?' Afterwards my whole life has changed. It's been hard, but I wouldn't change it for anything. Rather go my whole life believing that there is a God and find out there isn't than live my whole life thinking there isn't a God and then find out, when I die, that there is."[21] Mustaine also considers his talent a gift from God. "To be the No. 1 rated guitar player in the world is a gift from God and I'm stoked about it, but I think Christ is better than I am, anyway," he said. "Either way, I don't put too much earthly merit on it."""""




Dirty Dan said:
The way this thread is going, I would not be surprised if Dave Mustaine chimes in here.
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I mean sht, I respect everyone's right to exercise their religious freedom but don't go around telling people they're going to hell because you have hang ups related to a two thousand year old man-made holy textbook. I don't go around telling you you're not going to heaven, have some respect for other's views. Fck it, its pointless trying to convince someone to follow the morals laid down by their own belief system when they use their own misplaced moral superiority to raise their nose at those who disagree with them... Love, peace... fck that, religion is hate and indignant bias
 
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Let's not pretend there's a lot of discrimination AGAINST atheists, not BY atheists.
 
Piston Honda said:
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Let's not pretend there's a lot of discrimination AGAINST atheists, not BY atheists.
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Srs? Gimme a break. That was probably all just a neocon set-up for some homo interests anyway, and that trojan horse seems to have backfired on what's her name just beautifully, right? So what. It's all just a bunch of stupid crap anyway so why do you even care?!

Look, i know the power of hate too, but it has to come from somewhere. You can't get hate power from friends or people who love you. It has to come from an adversary, or somebody who hates you, so you can extract it from them. So now what, you go around starting fights and making enemies on purpose cuz you need a fix these days? I admit that choosing people who aren't gay "atheists" like you should increase you're yield due to the greater polarization, but what about diminishing returns? Any good psychic vampire will tell you bro, sometimes hate just ain't available so it's acquisition becomes impractical like this. There are other legit power sources besides hate though. You know that. ;)
 
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DR.D said:
Srs? Gimme a break. That was probably all just a neocon set-up for some homo interests anyway, and that trojan horse seems to have backfired on what's her name just beautifully, right? So what. It's all just a bunch of stupid crap anyway so why do you even care?!

Look, i know the power of hate too, but it has to come from somewhere. You can't get hate power from friends or people who love you. It has to come from an adversary, or somebody who hates you, so you can extract it from them. So now what, you go around starting fights and making enemies on purpose cuz you need a fix these days? I admit that choosing people who aren't gay "atheists" like you should increase you're yield due to the greater polarization, but what about diminishing returns? Any good psychic vampire will tell you bro, sometimes hate just ain't available so it's acquisition becomes impractical like this. There are other legit power sources besides hate though. You know that. ;)
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So Piston is gay "atheist"? Wtf? 2 posts in in a row with insults hurled at an opposing view. High 5s on being such a stand up intellectual.
 
Where is the insult?

EDIT: I saw the "loser" one. Dr.D, thats not cool. Please refrain from such insults.

As for the other one, I'm not sure. If someone supports the gay community and is and atheist, calling him a gay atheist isn't an insult...just factually incorrect on the gay part...if he's not gay. If he is, then its just a factual statement. Like calling me a drunken mick...in about an hour, it will probably be true...and not an insult to me.
 
Admin said:
Where is the insult?

EDIT: I saw the "loser" one. Dr.D, thats not cool. Please refrain from such insults.

As for the other one, I'm not sure. If someone supports the gay community and is and atheist, calling him a gay atheist isn't an insult...just factually incorrect on the gay part...if he's not gay. If he is, then its just a factual statement. Like calling me a drunken mick...in about an hour, it will probably be true...and not an insult to me.
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Right. Sugar coating it doesn't make it any sweeter.

But sign me up for the single malt regardless.
 
BoneDaddy said:
Right. Sugar coating it doesn't make it any sweeter.

But sign me up for the single malt regardless.
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Its not sugar coating it...if he's gay and an atheist...he's a gay atheist. Thats not an insult.


"I've been a wild rover for many a year...and I've spent all me money on whiskey and beer"
 
Admin said:
Where is the insult?

EDIT: I saw the "loser" one. Dr.D, thats not cool. Please refrain from such insults.

As for the other one, I'm not sure. If someone supports the gay community and is and atheist, calling him a gay atheist isn't an insult...just factually incorrect on the gay part...if he's not gay. If he is, then its just a factual statement. Like calling me a drunken mick...in about an hour, it will probably be true...and not an insult to me.
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[FONT=&quot]Now Mr. Admin, I must protest my accusers!

I'll be the first to admit I haven't always been the poster boy of sensitivity, but I can assure you I love every soul here and didn't use the term "loser" in a condescending or judgmental manner. I was referring to the formal psychological definition as applied to evaluation of social outcomes in a method known as Transactional Analysis. For reference, a very thorough book entitled "Games and Decisions" by Duncan Luce will vindicate my accurate usage of the word, and mathematically explain the non-zero sum games where there are winners, losers, and non-winners. They are just mathematical definitions of remainders, not the slang context I was so hastily condemned for.

So if I say "You're a freakin' loser!" then that's a legitimate statement if it's a fact, and there is no foul with truth delivered in sincerity.

But if I say "you're a loser and because you're a loser you suck!" Well then yes, passing judgment on a loser just because he's a loser is uncalled for.

Now if you gentlemen will excuse me, I must leave my accusers to contemplate the shame of their error, because it's past 9pm and the other half of this rum-n-coke ain't gonna drink itself! :)[/FONT]
 
So now I have the moderators calling me a gay atheist in a pejorative sense? Stay classy AM. By the way, maybe I should tell my wife I'm gay; hell, I never knew myself until the last few posts.

No idea where that all started as the last few posts made no sense to me, but if it makes you feel better to think you're insulting me by calling me gay, then go right on ahead.
 
Piston Honda said:
So now I have the moderators calling me a gay atheist in a pejorative sense? Stay classy AM. By the way, maybe I should tell my wife I'm gay; hell, I never knew myself until the last few posts.

No idea where that all started as the last few posts made no sense to me, but if it makes you feel better to think you're insulting me by calling me gay, then go right on ahead.
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So now calling you gay is an insult?

LMAO

Wait, isn't homosexual offensive now? And the person who called all Christians terrorists is lecturing us about classy? Holy cow I've heard it all...hahaha

 
Oh sht I love this thread. Lubricated spouting off of shenanigans meant to be taken seriously that come off as unsubstantiated superiority. Let the hilarity ensue!
 
Admin said:
So now calling you gay is an insult? LMAO Wait, isn't homosexual offensive now? And the person who called all Christians terrorists is lecturing us about classy? Holy cow I've heard it all...hahaha <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j7OWfSeiik">YouTube Link</a>
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It's not what you say but how you say it. Being called gay doesn't offend me. You thinking it's insulting to call me that offends me. And when your boy Dunn threatens me with a ban today, and then I read this stuff, what else can I do but laugh.
 
PalmFist said:
Oh sht I love this thread. Lubricated spouting off shenanigans meant to be taken seriously that come off as unsubstantiated superiority. Let the hilarity ensue!
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pass the whiskey
 
Piston Honda said:
It's not what you say but how you say it. Being called gay doesn't offend me. You thinking it's insulting to call me that offends me. And when your boy Dunn threatens me with a ban today, and then I read this stuff, what else can I do but laugh.
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For someone who hates so many people and insults people in various threads, you might have the thinnest skin....ever.
 
2.18 billion people if some calculations are correct. Nice pass off comment btw
 
Piston Honda said:
2.18 billion people if some calculations are correct. Nice pass off comment btw
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You're offended if the wind blows the wrong way.

Quit your crying.
 
I was offended waaaaaaay back in the I Am For Phil thread by the Christian belief he espoused that homosexuality was a step away from bestiality. I still haven't seen any Christian apologize for his statement, all I've seen was a lot of b.s. religious excuses for discrimination. That seems to have followed through to this thread where gay is apparently ok for you fine Christian soldiers to use as a pejorative.

Seems I am the odd man out in this thread, so you and your boy Dunn can keep flaming me (oops, wrong choice of words?) as long as you want.
 
Piston Honda said:
I was offended waaaaaaay back in the I Am For Phil thread by the Christian belief he espoused that homosexuality was a step away from bestiality. I still haven't seen any Christian apologize for his statement, all I've seen was a lot of b.s. religious excuses for discrimination. That seems to have followed through to this thread where gay is apparently ok for you fine Christian soldiers to use as a pejorative.

Seems I am the odd man out in this thread, so you and your boy Dunn can keep flaming me (oops, wrong choice of words?) as long as you want.
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Dude...you do understand that guy was BANNED.

I don't apologize for trolls nor do I speak for Christians.

If you are still offended by what a troll said to you I suggest you try and find him and demand an apology.

If not, get the **** over it and stop your crying.
 
Piston Honda said:
I was offended waaaaaaay back in the I Am For Phil thread by the Christian belief he espoused that homosexuality was a step away from bestiality. I still haven't seen any Christian apologize for his statement, all I've seen was a lot of b.s. religious excuses for discrimination. That seems to have followed through to this thread where gay is apparently ok for you fine Christian soldiers to use as a pejorative.

Seems I am the odd man out in this thread, so you and your boy Dunn can keep flaming me (oops, wrong choice of words?) as long as you want.
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You aint the odd man out bro, all about equal rights over here. I am a strong supporter of equal rights for lgbt and civil rights as well, but unfortunately that also means to be a full supporter of equal rights I have to live and let live.
 
Being in the military Ive met the gambit from far left and far right. I do what I can to get along, but this does not mean in any way that I stand by and let hate in any form go by me unchallenged. In person I can choose action, on the web however… its whatever.
 
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You aint the odd man out bro, all about equal rights over here. I am a strong supporter of equal rights for lgbt and civil rights as well, but unfortunately that also means to be a full supporter of equal rights I have to live and let live.
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From what I see in this hypocritical society we live in is that some want to be more equal?
 
PalmFist said:
Being in the military Ive met the gambit from far left and far right. I do what I can to get along, but this does not mean in any way that I stand by and let hate in any form go by me unchallenged. In person I can choose action, on the web however… its whatever.
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Is hate a determination of the perpetrator or the victim?
 
David Dunn said:
From what I see in this hypocritical society we live in is that some want to be more equal?
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Fair enough, it may seem like lgbt is in your face, but for reference (since time is relative in physics) I offer the push for religious freedom defined by the pilgrims who first came to the Americas, which at the time was also very in your face. Although even then in the name of religious freedom many were oppressed...
 
David Dunn said:
Is hate a determination of the perpetrator or the victim?
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Depends on which side of the fence you stand on, its all relative. Like I said, in order to be a FULL supporter of equal rights one has to support the right for the opposing view to make their own stand. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it but I also won't stop someone from supporting whatever cause they choose. Otherwise Id be a hypocrite, Right?
 
PalmFist said:
Fair enough, it may seem like lgbt is in your face, but for reference (since time is relative in physics) I offer the push for religious freedom defined by the pilgrims who first came to the Americas, which at the time was also very in your face. Although even then in the name of religious freedom many were oppressed...
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Many have suppressed many and this suppression is not exclusive to the religious. The perpetration of hate (suppression) is in the hearts or all kinds. Some would have you believe that Christian's (religion/religious) corner the market.
 
David Dunn said:
Many have suppressed many and this suppression is not exclusive to the religious. The perpetration of hate (suppression) is in the hearts or all kinds. Some would have you believe that Christian's (religion/religious) corner the market.
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I can agree with this. But since Im assuming we're talking in terms of developed countries, Christianity is the most widely spread
 
Piston Honda said:
So now I have the moderators calling me a gay atheist in a pejorative sense? Stay classy AM. By the way, maybe I should tell my wife I'm gay; hell, I never knew myself until the last few posts.

No idea where that all started as the last few posts made no sense to me, but if it makes you feel better to think you're insulting me by calling me gay, then go right on ahead.
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OK hold on a cottonpickin' minute!

I thought you guys were gay atheists because of the comments you were making. You're not? (not that it matters)

I thought you just got all butt hurt and started blaming it on Jesus after you realized that atheism truly is ironic. Boy was I wrong! Wow. I totally misunderstood that picture you posted of a gay Jesus for something else I guess! Hell, if I didn't know any better, I'd think you boyz were trying to convince me to be gay too, like you.

But now I get it. I was soooooo wrong about you guys. Group hug!

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PalmFist said:
Depends on which side of the fence you stand on, its all relative. Like I said, in order to be a FULL supporter of equal rights one has to support the right for the opposing view to make their own stand. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it but I also won't stop someone from supporting whatever cause they choose. Otherwise Id be a hypocrite, Right?
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For the record, although I am a Christian I do not speak for anyone but myself. I express my views, opinions and my faith without imposing - nothing more.

As a moderator I fully support the rights of all to express their opinion - without being hateful and offensive. At that point I address that behavior and do not care who it is that is the perpetrator.

I have no desire to suppress anyone's right to believe and express their faith that there is no God. You have the right to do so here. You don't have the right to denigrate anyone else who does not share that faith.

No disrespect but believe whatever stupid **** you want to believe - all faiths have it - including the faith in science.

Edit: "you" is figurative.
 
PalmFist said:
Being in the military Ive met the gambit from far left and far right. I do what I can to get along, but this does not mean in any way that I stand by and let hate in any form go by me unchallenged. In person I can choose action, on the web however… its whatever.
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Really Palmer? Good to hear you're such a stand up guy.

So now that you've already defended gays and atheists so disproportionately, go ahead and demonstrate your righteous resolve by defending straights and theists rights a little too. I mean, since you won't 'stand by and let hate in any form go by', right man? Go on, condemn that offensive and hurtful sh!t like the gay Jesus picture, cuz you know that was uncalled for.
 
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