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Consequences of year round blast and cruise

Yeah 125 keeps me higher than most. But everyone is different
 
csa2179 said:
Yeah 125 keeps me higher than most. But everyone is different
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As I'm new to trt etc , I just had a thought mate, in uk our summer is June July and August .
If I start my bulk cycle now for 14 weeks that leaves me finishing in beginning of May . Lol . I've timed it wrong . Unless I maintain in may at trt then start a cut cycle June July and August?.... . Or stay on test addition weeks 14-20weeks at say 600 mg cutting phase ,Then to trt in mid June . Carry on cutting July on trt dose
 
craigydar said:
As I'm new to trt etc , I just had a thought mate, in uk our summer is June July and August .
If I start my bulk cycle now for 14 weeks that leaves me finishing in beginning of May . Lol . I've timed it wrong . Unless I maintain in may at trt then start a cut cycle June July and August?.... . Or stay on test addition weeks 14-20weeks at say 600 mg cutting phase ,Then to trt in mid June . Carry on cutting July on trt dose
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There are ways to do this then there are better ways to do this. Lets take this dicussion to the PM's.
 
Been thinking more and more about cruising. I'll be starting a four year degree program in 2015 and I'd like to be at over 200lbs lean, or more, by the time I'm done with it. I think it's realistic with gear since I'm about 204 right now(not lean though I'm 15-16%bf right now), but not sure if cycles would be better or running low doses long term. Probably won't have the money for huge blasts either. Thoughts?

Really my goal is get as big as I can long term, would like to be pro BB status.
 
Test is cheap....high doses pack on mass and burn fat pretty damn well...above 1k at least.

CraigyDar.....I like to cruise on test/tren 100/100 each a week....I stay strong and stay lean......that small amount can be run 3-4 mos without wrecking cholesterol and/or blood pressure, etc. Just a thought...
 
waynaferd said:
Test is cheap....high doses pack on mass and burn fat pretty damn well...above 1k at least.

CraigyDar.....I like to cruise on test/tren 100/100 each a week....I stay strong and stay lean......that small amount can be run 3-4 mos without wrecking cholesterol and/or blood pressure, etc. Just a thought...
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Yeah I'm looking to donthe same with Test and Trest.
 
waynaferd said:
Test is cheap....high doses pack on mass and burn fat pretty damn well...above 1k at least.

CraigyDar.....I like to cruise on test/tren 100/100 each a week....I stay strong and stay lean......that small amount can be run 3-4 mos without wrecking cholesterol and/or blood pressure, etc. Just a thought...
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What was the cholesterol like on this? And of course, "Mr. Waynaferd Jr."
These are the main too issues for me at the end of the day, at least the most important
 
No exact cholesterol numbers off the top of my head but remember my doc said to cut back on the red meat as it was on the higher range but not too very high lol....

And Jr worked just fine, sometimes just took awhile longer to kapow, I guess :)
 
Testosterone or any steroid isn't going to burn fat in any considerable amount. There was a study done on 600mg/week and it amounted to an average of something like 40 grams of fat loss over 6 months
 
Yeah it is weird how most guys that get on TRT lose fat and gain muscle mass along with the same workouts they were doing when they had low test. All the articles supporting it are coincidental too. I found this weird one in one sec.
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kisaj said:
Yeah it is weird how most guys that get on TRT lose fat and gain muscle mass along with the same workouts they were doing when they had low test. All the articles supporting it are coincidental too. I found this weird one in one sec.
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To what degree varies greatly based on diet and cardio, too.

I havnt been burning any fat mass for months now. Saw initial fat burning maybe the first 2 months but afterwards all the progression has waned. Granted, I eat lots more now too.

So I'd say it does a great job gettin u bigger without lettin u get to freggin fat.
 
Right
What is the actual amount of fat lost here? This study is just showing the mechanism of action.
Here is an actual study done with treatment and the amount of fat lost:
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"There was a significant (analysis of variance, P = .006) decrease in intra-abdominal fat volume at the 125-mg (18 ± 41 cm3 decrease) and 600-mg (46 ± 39 cm3 decrease) doses."
Fat is 0.9g/cm3 btw.

It goes into more detail here:
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You can see that the 600mg/week over 20 weeks resulted in an average of 1.8kg total full body fat loss which is tiny. And this is a pretty high dose for a long period of time. At TRT dose the difference was tiny, 0.1kg ± 0.4 over the trunk and appendages, plus 2cm3 of fat lost from the thighs

In layman terms, less than a weeks worth of hard dieting
 
fueledpassion said:
To what degree varies greatly based on diet and cardio, too.

I havnt been burning any fat mass for months now. Saw initial fat burning maybe the first 2 months but afterwards all the progression has waned. Granted, I eat lots more now too.

So I'd say it does a great job gettin u bigger without lettin u get to freggin fat.
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You are agreeing with me but just breaking down the fact that it does burn fat. Of course if you take care of diet it has a big role. That will always be the case. But, as anyone on TRT will attest to is that it is very easy to keep fat off and not have the cleanest diet.

Bottom line is that it helps burn fat.
 
You said that a low dose of test would burn fat "very well".
 
Dude, you have shown time after time that you are a moron. Now you are trying to be a pain in the ass.
 
kisaj said:
Dude, you have shown time after time that you are a moron. Now you are trying to be a pain in the ass.
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If I am such a moron, why is it me challenging your statements and you making personal attacks and not the other way around?
Low dose of testosterone burning fat very well? Good luck with that. I'll go with putting down the fork personally
 
Don't need to burn fat if you are gaining muscle at a good ratio. When you add muscle to your body it lowers your bf% because your ratio of lean mass to fat changes. I think this is what people experience.
 
SuperPro said:
Don't need to burn fat if you are gaining muscle at a good ratio. When you add muscle to your body it lowers your bf% because your ratio of lean mass to fat changes. I think this is what people experience.
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Yeah, I don't think so. Muscle gains will be great if someone isn't already at that point. If you already are, fat loss is noticeable.
 
SuperPro said:
Don't need to burn fat if you are gaining muscle at a good ratio. When you add muscle to your body it lowers your bf% because your ratio of lean mass to fat changes. I think this is what people experience.
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Doing this left me with a really lean back, legs and arms and all my fat over my abs lol
Sucks.
 
csa2179 said:
That sounds like a diet issue.
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It sure does but I'd be damned if I can figure it out.
The issue is probably willpower. A brutal enough deficit for long enough will remove the fat from everywhere. Easier said than done
 
AlexPowell said:
It sure does but I'd be damned if I can figure it out.
The issue is probably willpower. A brutal enough deficit for long enough will remove the fat from everywhere. Easier said than done
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10-4. Thats my problem.

Last time, Hdrol was the answer. This time, Hdrol is still the answer lol. I might do a run for 8 weeks if I'm man enough.
 
Winny might help better than hdrol. Diet is always the issue. How do u respond to fats. I find it easier to carb cycle or lower sugars by increasing my health fats. I tend to shred up thatcway
 
csa2179 said:
Winny might help better than hdrol. Diet is always the issue. How do u respond to fats. I find it easier to carb cycle or lower sugars by increasing my health fats. I tend to shred up thatcway
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I actually go extremely low fat and high carb/protein diet. I try to avoid simple sugars and eat lots of fiber. Speeds my metabolism up greatly.

This diet takes ridiculous discipline though.
 
fueledpassion said:
I actually go extremely low fat and high carb/protein diet. I try to avoid simple sugars and eat lots of fiber. Speeds my metabolism up greatly.

This diet takes ridiculous discipline though.
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its pretty cool how one diet will work great for one person and be a complete failure for another.
 
The best thing for me is 1000kcal a day, 200g of protein
This amounts to some chicken breast, or a bit of kangaroo

I don't think the answer is in drugs, sure a bit of test helps when the calories drop to tragic levels
Belly fat is just last to go
 
Might have to try that low fats thing next time I've tried low carb a couple times and I'll get down to 10-12% or so on that but it's never gotten me shredded.
 
1,000kcal a day of anything will get you pretty shredded in a hurry
 
AlexPowell said:
The best thing for me is 1000kcal a day, 200g of protein This amounts to some chicken breast, or a bit of kangaroo I don't think the answer is in drugs, sure a bit of test helps when the calories drop to tragic levels Belly fat is just last to go
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thats not sustainable for long. Your pretty much implying a protein sparing modified fast which should only be utilized for two weeks max.
 
Lukef2000 said:
thats not sustainable for long. Your pretty much implying a protein sparing modified fast which should only be utilized for two weeks max.
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It doesn't take long
That's the entire point
 
SuperPro said:
Might have to try that low fats thing next time I've tried low carb a couple times and I'll get down to 10-12% or so on that but it's never gotten me shredded.
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You see, the diet didnt start working until I got the fats consistently down to 7-13% of my total. I did a few things to help with that though, the main trick is adding in MCT's. On this diet, I had maybe 10% of my diet in LCFA's and another 10-30% in MCT's. I started at 2000kcals on day 1 and ended at 2700kcals 12 weeks later and having dropped significant BF% but actually adding a 1lb of total mass, lol. So I "grew into my show" as they say.

I was on gear too as a heads up but not much. Still, this diet worked like a champ as long as I stayed focused.

Its nothing to have 300g protein on a low fat diet too because otherwise u might not hit ur calorie needs (this is why I added MCT's). There is more than one way to skin a cat but this particular method is great at holding onto lean tissue while cutting. I only did 4 sessions of high intensity cardio @ 30-60 minutes each per week with it too.
 
AlexPowell said:
It doesn't take long That's the entire point
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Unless u are really short 1000 cals with out the addition of hormons will cause to much muscle loss and will cause u to store more cals rather than burn them. I cut at around 2200 cals, I keep my bf 8-12% year round. Even when I bulk I like to keep it at around 10%. Are u sure it's not just water bloat. I just don't see u being lean everywhere but having fat on ur abdomen
 
csa2179 said:
Unless u are really short 1000 cals with out the addition of hormons will cause to much muscle loss and will cause u to store more cals rather than burn them. I cut at around 2200 cals, I keep my bf 8-12% year round. Even when I bulk I like to keep it at around 10%. Are u sure it's not just water bloat. I just don't see u being lean everywhere but having fat on ur abdomen
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1000kcal a day will not cause you to "store calories" and it won't cause muscle loss in the short term. Studies on fatsos reported minimal muscle loss in the long term as well. "PSMF pubmed" will bring them all up for you!

Muscle takes a long time to build and a long time to lose. It's just that people see their glycogen being depleted and clothes getting loose and start panicking over alleged "muscle loss" but in reality are just scared about what was actually there to begin with. I'm sure you do cut at 2200kcal but I have no idea what that has got to do with anything
 
Gluconeogenesis happens when you are performing anaerobic exercise in a glycogen- depleted state.

So yes, starving yourself will deplete glucose and ramp up lypolysis but the moment you try and perform an activity that is high Intensity, such as weight training or sprints, you'll eat the crap out of ur amino acids - which r only found in the muscle cells. Its metabolism 101 really.

This is why 30g of BCAA's should be mandatory in cases like you just suggested, pre/peri/post workout.
 
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