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ArA Stack help and suggestions

blavongtheung said:
ABE does not have to be dosed away from anti-inflamitories right? (Cissus, Fishoil and Orange Triad)
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No, but you aren't dosing the cissus and fish oil around training right?
 
Fun fact:

Started 6xfactor per day today

Pop open bottle 3 tomorrow, I only have 2 left :

I train 5-7 days a week.

Actually the past 2 weeks have been 7 days a week with 1 2 a day.

What is my max dosage ara per day? Oh I take it with another product that has ara in it, unsure of the amount though

I take it an hour before my workout with GMS, .5 scoop pre workout

Then 30 min later take my fat burners more pre workouts and head to ironsville.
 
EBF Inc said:
Fun fact:

Started 6xfactor per day today

Pop open bottle 3 tomorrow, I only have 2 left :

I train 5-7 days a week.

Actually the past 2 weeks have been 7 days a week with 1 2 a day.

What is my max dosage ara per day? Oh I take it with another product that has ara in it, unsure of the amount though

I take it an hour before my workout with GMS, .5 scoop pre workout

Then 30 min later take my fat burners more pre workouts and head to ironsville.
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Are you dosing ArA 7x a week when you workout 7x a week?

Just curious because that could get very expensive.
 
Brb, opening up a wholesale account for my main man EBF :)

I just upped my X-Factor from 4 to 6 and am already seeing insane muscle hardening effects... I cant wait to see how I progress on my lean bulk with this higher dose.
 
SwolenONE said:
Brb, opening up a wholesale account for my main man EBF :)

I just upped my X-Factor from 4 to 6 and am already seeing insane muscle hardening effects... I cant wait to see how I progress on my lean bulk with this higher dose.
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It's easily making me stronger. My widow maker today went up to 175 for 20

225 for 10

Back squats.

I started back squatting like 6-8 weeks ago after a long 8 - 9 month hiatus due to herniated disc

Which btw, X factor has NOT affected
 
I just started my ArA run on Monday. Can't wait for week 3 to get here.
 
SwolenONE said:
Brb, opening up a wholesale account for my main man EBF :)

I just upped my X-Factor from 4 to 6 and am already seeing insane muscle hardening effects... I cant wait to see how I progress on my lean bulk with this higher dose.
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Darn you man...LOL! Now I may up my dose again after this week..LOL! I'm on week 2 with Xfactor and I just started taking 5 instead of 4 and now I just saw your post about taking 6. LOL!
 
EBF Inc said:
Fun fact:

Started 6xfactor per day today

Pop open bottle 3 tomorrow, I only have 2 left :

I train 5-7 days a week.

Actually the past 2 weeks have been 7 days a week with 1 2 a day.

What is my max dosage ara per day? Oh I take it with another product that has ara in it, unsure of the amount though

I take it an hour before my workout with GMS, .5 scoop pre workout

Then 30 min later take my fat burners more pre workouts and head to ironsville.
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Why. So. Much. Volume. And. Frequency?
 
Jiigzz said:
Why. So. Much. Volume. And. Frequency?
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Just ends up that way. I'm super OCD. I know I need the rest, but, I have serious problems doing it.

Needed to hit each body part 2x a week. Keeps me sane. When I'm not in the gym i have slight mental breakdowns
 
EBF Inc said:
Just ends up that way. I'm super OCD. I know I need the rest, but, I have serious problems doing it.

Needed to hit each body part 2x a week. Keeps me sane. When I'm not in the gym i have slight mental breakdowns
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Im at the gym 4x per week and hit every muscle group twice lol. Rest and recover.

I know the body is an adaptable beast but even the best people in the world need a break
 
Jiigzz said:
Im at the gym 4x per week and hit every muscle group twice lol. Rest and recover.

I know the body is an adaptable beast but even the best people in the world need a break
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I have sometimes unlimited time in the gym or limited time.

I was only training 5 days a week but needed a chest only day without adding another session and an arm only day.

So instead of getting 2 days rest I just kind of dont get it

Friday will be an off day completely tho because I'll have no time. So my schedule just falls on a workout everyday BC other schedules are unpredictable this way I can just miss a day when need be and not feel to guilty
 
EBF Inc said:
I have sometimes unlimited time in the gym or limited time.

I was only training 5 days a week but needed a chest only day without adding another session and an arm only day.

So instead of getting 2 days rest I just kind of dont get it

Friday will be an off day completely tho because I'll have no time. So my schedule just falls on a workout everyday BC other schedules are unpredictable this way I can just miss a day when need be and not feel to guilty
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And my split is unlike anyone else's I've ever seen lol
 
I am not dosing Cissus or Fishoil until 7+ hours after ArA ingestion. Is that too long of a wait, or is it the ArA that needs the aditional 3 hours over the recommended 4 hours peri-workout.


I too plan on dosing ArA frequently during the week, 6 days a week. I think I already asked this, but would I see greater/faster effects from taking 6 / week, or would it in the end be the same as taking 3 / week for double the amount of time?


Last question, how would dosing work for both ABE and ArA when sick?
I am coming down with some sickness and am going to take a day or two off, would I still dose ABE 4 pills with meals a day and just come back to ArA when I resume workouts? (I am on Antibiotics - Cephalexin for an insect bite that may have an infection running up my vein)
 
Youll see some sweet gains with ArA 6 times a week

You can take time off the supps while your out of the gym, heal up!
 
EBF Inc said:
I have sometimes unlimited time in the gym or limited time.

I was only training 5 days a week but needed a chest only day without adding another session and an arm only day.

So instead of getting 2 days rest I just kind of dont get it

Friday will be an off day completely tho because I'll have no time. So my schedule just falls on a workout everyday BC other schedules are unpredictable this way I can just miss a day when need be and not feel to guilty
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EBF Inc said:
And my split is unlike anyone else's I've ever seen lol
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For your mental health and potential joint health I would advise against this unless you are so adept at programming that you allow maximal recovery times between training muscle groups over the 7 days. If you do decide to workout 7 days, I advise taking your plan into someone with an advanced knowledge of physiology and programming and getting their insight just to make sure.

While the body is extremely adaptable, there is a adaption period required and a minimum time between muscle groups that will allow for maximal recovery between workouts to give the tendons and muscles a chance to repair adequately (to avoid tendon and/ or muscle injuries). I would also suggest ensuring your prehab/ rehab and stretching routines are adequate.
 
Jiigzz said:
For your mental health and potential joint health I would advise against this unless you are so adept at programming that you allow maximal recovery times between training muscle groups over the 7 days. If you do decide to workout 7 days, I advise taking your plan into someone with an advanced knowledge of physiology and programming and getting their insight just to make sure.

While the body is extremely adaptable, there is a adaption period required and a minimum time between muscle groups that will allow for maximal recovery between workouts to give the tendons and muscles a chance to repair adequately (to avoid tendon and/ or muscle injuries). I would also suggest ensuring your prehab/ rehab and stretching routines are adequate.
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Thank you for your input. I'll contact zir red
 
EBF Inc said:
Thank you for your input. I'll contact zir red
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Definitely do! Just looking out for ya :)
Arm day is a semi rest day because of low CNS recruitment but still
 
Cant say I have that problem, I enjoy my off days and filling up on those days gaining a few lbs of glycogen :)
 
aaronuconn said:
lol, sometimes training 5-6 days a week would make it hard to gain weight.
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I do 5 a week and can gain weight pretty easily, I personally wouldnt want to train any more than that though unless the 6th day was light cardio or something.
 
SwolenONE said:
I do 5 a week and can gain weight pretty easily, I personally wouldnt want to train any more than that though unless the 6th day was light cardio or something.
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I just watch lifting videos all day while I research. Hard for me not to want to Goto the gym. Lol

I gain, slowly but surely,

11/24 I started all products. 170.4
1/24/14 I'm 177. More full and vascular much stronger. And this isn't glycogen depleted. It was this morn after 500 carbs last night (4100 cals). So I'm closer to probably 173.

Sooo lean bulk is working.
 
EBF Inc said:
I just watch lifting videos all day while I research. Hard for me not to want to Goto the gym. Lol

I gain, slowly but surely,

11/24 I started all products. 170.4
1/24/14 I'm 177. More full and vascular much stronger. And this isn't glycogen depleted. It was this morn after 500 carbs last night (4100 cals). So I'm closer to probably 173.

Sooo lean bulk is working.
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Slowly and surely is better, IMO, then quick gains (as those usually are accompanied with more fat gains). Not always of course, just for me that's how it always goes.
 
aaronuconn said:
Slowly and surely is better, IMO, then quick gains (as those usually are accompanied with more fat gains). Not always of course, just for me that's how it always goes.
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That is generally the philosophy one should follow. The slower you go, the easier it is to keep the gains (same principle applies to AAS).
 
Synapsin said:
That is generally the philosophy one should follow. The slower you go, the easier it is to keep the gains (same principle applies to AAS).
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Yea I actually just upped to 4k after a while at 3200 and a few cheats.

But my volume and intensity changed a bit as well. Not enough to warrant that huge increase but after my 3 days of high cals, one low cal, I went right back to 3490-4000 and now I'm just going to hang out at that number. Since like insaid training increased.
 
Quick question for coop and those others in the know:

I saw that coop has said he prefers xf vs xfa as the additional additives can impede uptake of the ara itself. I have 2 bottles of each xf/xfa so would it be most beneficial to have a split dose (x2 xf+ x2 xfa) with each workout or to just run them separate?
 
booneman77 said:
Quick question for coop and those others in the know: I saw that coop has said he prefers xf vs xfa as the additional additives can impede uptake of the ara itself. I have 2 bottles of each xf/xfa so would it be most beneficial to have a split dose (x2 xf+ x2 xfa) with each workout or to just run them separate?
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I would either do the split dose as you said, or run the XFA first then the XF as ArA usually kicks fully around week 3.
 
booneman77 said:
Quick question for coop and those others in the know:

I saw that coop has said he prefers xf vs xfa as the additional additives can impede uptake of the ara itself. I have 2 bottles of each xf/xfa so would it be most beneficial to have a split dose (x2 xf+ x2 xfa) with each workout or to just run them separate?
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2 XF and 2 XFA makes sense, but if it were me personally, I'd just run the XFA first and then the XF.
 
booneman77 said:
Quick question for coop and those others in the know:

I saw that coop has said he prefers xf vs xfa as the additional additives can impede uptake of the ara itself. I have 2 bottles of each xf/xfa so would it be most beneficial to have a split dose (x2 xf+ x2 xfa) with each workout or to just run them separate?
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I'm not science minded like coop or EBF, but EBF has been doing a lot of research into ArA and wrote me the other day saying he now understands why XFA came to be. Hopefully he'll chime in here.

If concerned about it, feel free to run them 2, 2. If you want to figure out which version you prefer (XFA is the bigger seller for us) then try each version out separately.
 
SwolenONE said:
I'm not science minded like coop or EBF, but EBF has been doing a lot of research into ArA and wrote me the other day saying he now understands why XFA came to be. Hopefully he'll chime in here.

If concerned about it, feel free to run them 2, 2. If you want to figure out which version you prefer (XFA is the bigger seller for us) then try each version out separately.
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He posted some studies in the other thread, but they are gibberish unless explained.
 
SwolenONE said:
I'm not science minded like coop or EBF, but EBF has been doing a lot of research into ArA and wrote me the other day saying he now understands why XFA came to be. Hopefully he'll chime in here.

If concerned about it, feel free to run them 2, 2. If you want to figure out which version you prefer (XFA is the bigger seller for us) then try each version out separately.
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If either of you have these studies or a link to the thread I'd be interested. Or if EBF wants to chime in here ;)

Jiigzz said:
He posted some studies in the other thread, but they are gibberish unless explained.
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EBF Inc said:
The studies I posted didn't relate to fish oil and ara. Just interesting readings on what works well with it
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Do you have the link(s) to these or the thread? Need some lunchtime reading ha
 
Thought I would hi-jack this thread instead of a creating a new one.

So just bought some OG x-factor because of the price over at NP and bought some bulk LCLT and glycergrow to go with it. Plan on going 4 caps pre, 2g LCLT and 3 scoops glycergrow and make sure I dose orange triad 4h away from XF. Pretty sure I'm all set regarding this stack, correct me if I'm wrong.

Question is : I am currently in my second month of a Forskolin 95, OG erase and DAA stack. Should I wait a month of two before jumping on the x-factor stack or there is absolutely no point in waiting and should just go ahead. I'm really in no hurry so I don't care if it's better to wait.

Really looking forward after seeing all the praise XF is getting,
 
DaPits said:
Thought I would hi-jack this thread instead of a creating a new one. So just bought some OG x-factor because of the price over at NP and bought some bulk LCLT and glycergrow to go with it. Plan on going 4 caps pre, 2g LCLT and 3 scoops glycergrow and make sure I dose orange triad 4h away from XF. Pretty sure I'm all set regarding this stack, correct me if I'm wrong. Question is : I am currently in my second month of a Forskolin 95, OG erase and DAA stack. Should I wait a month of two before jumping on the x-factor stack or there is absolutely no point in waiting and should just go ahead. I'm really in no hurry so I don't care if it's better to wait. Really looking forward after seeing all the praise XF is getting,
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Looks good. Only reason to wait is if you want to have a baseline by which to see it's effectiveness. If you don't care, rock on. Also, I use anavite while running ArA just so I don't have to worry about spacing out. Just personal preference. Good luck.
 
DaPits said:
Thought I would hi-jack this thread instead of a creating a new one. So just bought some OG x-factor because of the price over at NP and bought some bulk LCLT and glycergrow to go with it. Plan on going 4 caps pre, 2g LCLT and 3 scoops glycergrow and make sure I dose orange triad 4h away from XF. Pretty sure I'm all set regarding this stack, correct me if I'm wrong. Question is : I am currently in my second month of a Forskolin 95, OG erase and DAA stack. Should I wait a month of two before jumping on the x-factor stack or there is absolutely no point in waiting and should just go ahead. I'm really in no hurry so I don't care if it's better to wait. Really looking forward after seeing all the praise XF is getting,
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You could jump right into ArA if you wanted. You will feel some solid pumps to start off but it will fully kick in around week 2-3.
 
X2, you are good to go jumping right into your X-Factor cycle, and smart man taking advantage of that awesome sale price!
 
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