Smokers road to 1st plm

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smoker145 said:
No idea about how happy id be with that. Well see. I'll at least walk out heavy weight to get a feel over my max, whatever it may be
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Learn how to get tight with that heavy weight. I have no doubt you can do it, you just don't know it yet.
 
Dead lifts prs all over my face

285 by 2. Was very pussed my grip slipped. Put on some chalk and went up

305 failed. No lockout as grip was going again.

Switched to supernated grip.

315 easyx1
325 easyx1

Said you know what? I'm feeling good today.
355x1 easy ( 5 lb pr).

What was weird was after every rep I felt mad dizzy. That's why I didn't want to go over one rep for everything. Strange day

Snatch grip 145x5
245x3
265x5
285 x4, missed my 4th out of 5th rep.

Shrugs
70x6
75x5- winded as fck
75x12- **** yea
75x10
 
355x1
Fast forward to middle of vid, took awhile to get set up

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smoker145 said:
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Good job Smoker. It moved fast.

Now replace all those shrugs you do with rows and your back AND traps will be huge. Shrugs are like dessert. Rows are dinner. Dinner will get you big and strong. Your strawberry ****ing shortcake won't. Eat your dinner first, then you can have dessert.
 
Sean1332 said:
Good job Smoker. It moved fast. Now replace all those shrugs you do with rows and your back AND traps will be huge. Shrugs are like dessert. Rows are dinner. Dinner will get you big and strong. Your strawberry ****ing shortcake won't. Eat your dinner first, then you can have dessert.
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Thanks man. I think I have 4 plates in me. Gonna go for it in 6 weeks.

And haha yea I hear ya. On ohp day , tomorrow, my main part is typically back so you'll see that tomorrow for sure. Need to keep upping this weight.

5/3/1 said my 1+ today was 300... I said screw that.
 
Dat feel when you hold off telling your dad something bad until the very last second and he finds out.... Oh lawd
 
Nah different problem. An analogy would be like" I got it I got it I got it".. Then " nope I don't got it"
 
Hopping off 5-3-1. Talked to my boss bout it today. Gonna try and get him to help me craft one. He has never followed a program like 531, but has made his own and it works for him. Will it for me? Maybe, maybe not. Nothing official yet
 
smoker145 said:
Hopping off 5-3-1. Talked to my boss bout it today. Gonna try and get him to help me craft one. He has never followed a program like 531, but has made his own and it works for him. Will it for me? Maybe, maybe not. Nothing official yet
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Who is your boss, again?


Is he stronger than/has more experience than Wendler?
 
jimbuick said:
Who is your boss, again? Is he stronger than/has more experience than Wendler?
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Nash he's just a pretty good athlete. 335 bench, 500 dead, 415 squat at his last meet.

I truly believe if he trained for a meet more than 3 months, and it year round, he would be very good
 
smoker145 said:
Nash he's just a pretty good athlete. 335 bench, 500 dead, 415 squat at his last meet.

I truly believe if he trained for a meet more than 3 months, and it year round, he would be very good
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At what bodyweight?
smoker145 said:
Most of the time he does baseball training, which is obviously very different.
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So, what you're saying is that he has almost no powerlifting experience and instead of following the routine that has been shown time and time again to make better powerlifters, and was written by an experienced powerlifter, you're gonna go with the training methodology from a guy that practices baseball.


Makes sense.
 
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Just cause he's not been there and done what wendler has done, doesn't mean he has a plan/ is a bad coach.

Kevin long can't hit a home run in the mlb, don't mean he can't improve a swing to do so.

Somehow , the world got stronger before wendler, lily, etc.
 
He was 198 weight class also . I'm not knocking wendler program what so ever but I have the opp to be guided by someone who thinks he can make me better free of charge . Il give it a shot. Nothing to lose. He's already improved my bench .

A tbar
85x10
85x9
95x8
95x5

Taking no more than 90 second breaks. Trying to condition up.

Kroc 65x7
65x8
65x10
65x8

Face pulls
40x10
40x12

Stregnth is feeling through the roof. I'm loving this.
40x12
50x12

30x6
32.5 x2x5. Too easy. In a rush thou. Moving on.

Ohp 95 2x6
Cuban press 3 sets
L raise 1 set
Hypers 3x10
Leg raises 3x10.

Quick workout. Fastest I've done in a long time.
Weight today : 202.5 with sweats on thou.
 
I lift more than your boss. Stay on 5-3-1.
 
smoker145 said:
He was 198 weight class also . I'm not knocking wendler program what so ever but I have the opp to be guided by someone who thinks he can make me better free of charge . Il give it a shot. Nothing to lose. He's already improved my bench .
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I'm just saying, when I'm having issues with an implement (log, dumbbell, yoke, etc.) I don't come ask you how I should get better. Do you wanna know why?


Because you have no experience with it. Why would I ask someone with little or no experience on a subject about the things I should do to be better at it when I could just ask people who have the experience doing it instead?
 
I think James is simply thinking that abandoning the wildly successful plan that Wendler has laid out (that you've had success with thus far) for some programming by a very novice PL'er is a questionable decision.

I've had some phenomenal football coaches that were very strong, that I wouldn't take a single ounce of PL advice from.

However, the only program that truly works is the one you believe in.
 
I'm gonna get a plan from him and see what it's like before I do anything.

And I understand, he isn't stronger than most here, but again, very different training for the majority of the year.

I think there is things I can learn from him, like I already have with bench when he guided me.

Jim- yea it would be awesome to get help from a much more experienced lifter like rob is doing. But I don't have money to do that .

I appreciate everyone's input. Something to definitely think about. What I will do with him either way , is get new maxes. Squat will be tested in 2 weeks. Bench 3, and dead probably 3. I feel I need much more accurate maxes. So I can better myself in whatever program
 
Don't just change programs for the sake of changing programs.


If 5/3/1 is netting good gains, why change it for something that might not net any gains and could possibly just lead to muscular imbalance and injury?
 
531 is netting gains. However,

It is my first program

At my numbers, many structured programs could improve my stegnth

Again, I'll check out and see what he has to offer me. Nothing wrong with doing some window shopping.
What I really want to do like I said is see where my numbers really are.
 
You're gonna do what you're gonna do, at least post up what he wants you to do when he's got it laid out.

Realize that when you say "5/3/1 is netting gains" you've said a mouthful. I am the biggest program hop hater you've met. I've run the Cube since February. I've gathered 200lbs in PRs in the big 3 since then, it hasn't slowed down yet.

When you program hop, the only gains that come are from adapting to changing stressors (which diminishes over time) and you don't have a clue of what worked in the program and what didn't. You get no experience troubleshooting when you run into sticking points and plateaus.

You're gonna do what you wanna do, but when you program hop, puppies die and Jesus sheds tears.
 
Definitely given me food for thought everyone.

Last time eveyone told me not to do something ( cut weight) I did it anyway. I didn't make weight, and felt sick the day before and day of. So maybe I should heed the advice this time...

Got me thinking
 
You gotta think, if you add up the training experience of some of the guys in this log, you're looking at like friggin 50 years under the bar.

And then if you add up the training experience of Swanson and napalm, you're looking at another seventy five years under the bar! That's a long time!
 
That it is dude.

What you all can't talk me out of is testing my maxes.

I have 4 plates for dead in me , I believe I have a 250 bench, squat I know it can be 300 if I stop thinking and just do it... Then I'll know where I'm actually at

Instead of being a puss with squats, instead of pulling easy dead prs, and challenging myself on bench
 
a wise man named dave tate one said:

"you're a lot stronger than you think you are once you stop being a p.ussy."
 
napalm said:
a wise man named dave tate one said: "you're a lot stronger than you think you are once you stop being a p.ussy."
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I'm saving that. That's exactly what I'm talking bout. Time to start lifting some weight here
 
Smoker you could do about anything right now and gain strength. You're lucky 5-3-1 is the first program you have run. Most of us fiddled around doing stupid stuff before we found the light. If you start now and make steady progression on 5/3/1 you can really go places. It is proven to work time and time again, and at your level of experience it would take an idiot for it to not work. Keep lifting and eating and don't over think things or try to change.
 
smoker145 said:
Herder-

What were your programming before cube ? Strict curiosity
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I did Westside for like a month. I didn't have the work capacity or knowledge of myself or the lifts to have optimal results with it. The eight years before that was a body part split with occasional maxing on bench and deadlift. Squats I didn't start maxing until a few months before powerlifting training, but I've always been a strong squatter, I just used to work exclusively in the 12-20 rep range.
 
You can always use 5/3/1 as an accountability factor of what you must do, but you don't have to stop there. Even Wendler says one of the great things of program is it allows for bad days, and at the same time he says you shouldn't have anything as a roadblock in your training;even a program. Plus it will keep you rotating weights. But it shouldn't be a deterring factor from learning from a more experienced lifter.

Just some food for thought. Deads and squats looked easy.
 
Thabks bro, all too easy.

Definitely weighing options and what not. Not sure exactly what I'm gonna do right now, boss made some good points to me today. But for this week at lesast it's wendler
 
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