Ph's and Running?

Gore

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So it's about that time for another round of PH's, but lately I have grown to like running.

In the past I have used Epistane, Hella, Beastdrol, and 11-oxo. I always use proper pct and I have always had good results with minimal side effects.


So to the point. I see lots of talk of other PH's that I have limited knowledge of first-hand, and I can't help but think that there is something out there that I am missing.

My goals are to continue leaning up, without doing a severe cut or anything. I am just closely watching cals. I want to keep muscle and gain a little strength all while being able to run without the severe back pumps that Beastdrol gave me. Even Hella once I got up to 100, but 75 was manageable. I tried taking large amounts of taurine but to no avail.

So, what say you? Stick with something like Epi? Or is there something else I should try?
 
Gore said:
So it's about that time for another round of PH's, but lately I have grown to like running.

In the past I have used Epistane, Hella, Beastdrol, and 11-oxo. I always use proper pct and I have always had good results with minimal side effects.

So to the point. I see lots of talk of other PH's that I have limited knowledge of first-hand, and I can't help but think that there is something out there that I am missing.

My goals are to continue leaning up, without doing a severe cut or anything. I am just closely watching cals. I want to keep muscle and gain a little strength all while being able to run without the severe back pumps that Beastdrol gave me. Even Hella once I got up to 100, but 75 was manageable. I tried taking large amounts of taurine but to no avail.

So, what say you? Stick with something like Epi? Or is there something else I should try?
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Stano increases agression. If you're the type who uses agression as fuel as I am it would be the choice. Not expensive either.
 
Aggression is always good, so I like the sound of that. How would you rank the shutdown and back pumps compared to Helladrol or Epi? Strength gains?

I see a lot of people talking about it making for a good stacking PH, but I think I want to run it solo. I have been able to get decent gains with relatively low doses of PH's and I want keep gaining with as low of a dose as possible. Would you say this is a decent PH to run solo?

Sorry for the bombardment of questions.

Thanks for the help.
 
Gore said:
Aggression is always good, so I like the sound of that. How would you rank the shutdown and back pumps compared to Helladrol or Epi? Strength gains?

I see a lot of people talking about it making for a good stacking PH, but I think I want to run it solo. I have been able to get decent gains with relatively low doses of PH's and I want keep gaining with as low of a dose as possible. Would you say this is a decent PH to run solo?

Sorry for the bombardment of questions.

Thanks for the help.
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Shut down is shutdown. There is no one compound that shuts you down less than the other. Yes this is a good solo run. Back pumps shouldn't be an issue. There will be strength gains a plenty. Its dht afterall. 300 starting point 1000 mg should be your stopping point.
 
Makes sense about the shutdown.

The rest sounds good too.

Who has the best clone right now? LGI?
 
Gore said:
Makes sense about the shutdown.

The rest sounds good too.

Who has the best clone right now? LGI?
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Lgi is the best.
 
pyrobatt said:
Shut down is shutdown. There is no one compound that shuts you down less than the other. Yes this is a good solo run. Back pumps shouldn't be an issue. There will be strength gains a plenty. Its dht afterall. 300 starting point 1000 mg should be your stopping point.
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Idisagree on dosage. 300mg stano will do nothing. It must be dosed high, I ran it between 1,000-1,200 stacked with helladrol. I've seen people use it by itself and started at 600mgs and eventually increased it to 800+ , max 1,200 and that's the sweet spot.

Lgi and competitive edge still make stano. I used Competitive edges version, its all the same tbh. I think LGI is cheaper though, wish I knew that before -___- lol
 
EatMoar said:
Idisagree on dosage. 300mg stano will do nothing. It must be dosed high, I ran it between 1,000-1,200 stacked with helladrol. I've seen people use it by itself and started at 600mgs and eventually increased it to 800+ , max 1,200 and that's the sweet spot.

Lgi and competitive edge still make stano. I used Competitive edges version, its all the same tbh. I think LGI is cheaper though, wish I knew that before -___- lol
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How long did you low dose it?
 
pyrobatt said:
How long did you low dose it?
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2 weeks. Then once hella kicked in and I started to feel lethargic I bumped it to 900/1050 (my caps were 150mgs) and the lethargacy went away.

I've read a slew of threads that say stano is weak at low doses under 800.
 
EatMoar said:
2 weeks. Then once hella kicked in and I started to feel lethargic I bumped it to 900/1050 (my caps were 150mgs) and the lethargacy went away.

I've read a slew of threads that say stano is weak at low doses under 800.
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Lets get this straight. You felt the need to up the dosage after 2 weeks of a compound that takes 4 to feel. Lol
 
pyrobatt said:
Stano.
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Ah. Well, I figured it should combat lethargacy and it wasn't. So I upped the dose and it did. I was actually unaware it takes 4 to kick in, I thought it was sooner. If you think about it, hdrol cycles are comonly stacked with stano and those are only 4-6 week cycles. If stano truly took 4 weeks to kick in it would be worthless on a short cycle.
 
EatMoar said:
Ah. Well, I figured it should combat lethargacy and it wasn't. So I upped the dose and it did. I was actually unaware it takes 4 to kick in, I thought it was sooner. If you think about it, hdrol cycles are comonly stacked with stano and those are only 4-6 week cycles. If stano truly took 4 weeks to kick in it would be worthless on a short cycle.
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They usually add in halo 3rd week of stano.total of 8 weeks stano and 6 weeks halo
 
Thanks for the responses guys. From everything I've read it does seem pretty commonplace to reach 1000-1200 of Stano. I guess I will see how I feel at 1000. If I feel good I will just stay there and ride it out. Is 8 weeks about the ideal cycle length with Stano?
 
Gore said:
Thanks for the responses guys. From everything I've read it does seem pretty commonplace to reach 1000-1200 of Stano. I guess I will see how I feel at 1000. If I feel good I will just stay there and ride it out. Is 8 weeks about the ideal cycle length with Stano?
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Starting at max dose is NOT smart. Start at 300 or 450. Work your way up. Increase on the third week. Feel good increase on the 4th. Kinda like that. Don't go all out right out the gate
 
EatMoar said:
Wow didn't even realize that. I'm gonna try that approach on my next cycle
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I seriously recommend it. Great protocol for stano and hdrol. 0 lethargy that way.
 
pyrobatt said:
I seriously recommend it. Great protocol for stano and hdrol. 0 lethargy that way.
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Wish I read about that before. After all the logs I read, not one did this protocol. And for the record I did NOT recommend max dosage to start off. Always start lower. I was just telling you the effective dose.
 
pyrobatt said:
Starting at max dose is NOT smart. Start at 300 or 450. Work your way up. Increase on the third week. Feel good increase on the 4th. Kinda like that. Don't go all out right out the gate
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I may have worded that poorly. I had zero intention of starting that high, it was just the target.
 
Gore said:
I may have worded that poorly. I had zero intention of starting that high, it was just the target.
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7 to 9 weeks is fine
 
I am considering Halodrol with Stano like y'all have been discussing. Any hair loss issues?? I've read alot abloout DHT causing balding. I've never been prone to hair loss until I started ph a year ago. It's been very minor but I'd like to keep what I have.thx
 
I would be curious about this as well. I have thinned out over the years, but before any ph use. I'm 33 and married so I really don't give a **** anymore, lol. I just buzz it anyway. Would there be a point to taking something like propecia with this, or would there be issues with counteracting the DHT?
 
Yes any dht gear or ph/DS will increase shedding if you are prone to MPB, shampoo and topicals help....but if you fancy your hair and are prone to MPB it may be best to just steer clear
 
AnabolicHolic said:
Yes any dht gear or ph/DS will increase shedding if you are prone to MPB, shampoo and topicals help....but if you fancy your hair and are prone to MPB it may be best to just steer clear
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yeah..steer clear...That's kind of why I've had the epi-1-test sitting on the shelf for 6 months. I think I'll just run the 2weeks recommended and stop. will DHT clear out of my system after that?
 
poppawheely said:
yeah..steer clear...That's kind of why I've had the epi-1-test sitting on the shelf for 6 months. I think I'll just run the 2weeks recommended and stop. will DHT clear out of my system after that?
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I don't have any particular issue with MPB....BUT that being said, epi will thin out ANYBODY at least a little....it grows back for me post cycle, but its sort of disconcerting to see your hair thin out. I left my epi in the fridge for a long while debating if I should use it again lol...I just recently used it beginning of this year. But yeah, if you discontinue the DHT it should clear pretty quickly....you may get some residual effects for a week or two, hard to say....but nothing dramatic.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I don't have any particular issue with MPB....BUT that being said, epi will thin out ANYBODY at least a little....it grows back for me post cycle, but its sort of disconcerting to see your hair thin out. I left my epi in the fridge for a long while debating if I should use it again lol...I just recently used it beginning of this year. But yeah, if you discontinue the DHT it should clear pretty quickly....you may get some residual effects for a week or two, hard to say....but nothing dramatic.
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So are you saying that shedding grows back? It seems like that's what happened after my previous epistane use. Maybe that's why I see some thinning of my hair up top, but it hasn't actually receeded (yet).
 
poppawheely said:
So are you saying that shedding grows back? It seems like that's what happened after my previous epistane use. Maybe that's why I see some thinning of my hair up top, but it hasn't actually receeded (yet).
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For me it does, and apparently for you as well, if that is what happened last time.....but for guys who are prone to MPB? Probably won't grow back. I don't like to tempt fate like that, I'd rather it not fall out at all in the first place. The day I hit 40, I started using the topicals and shampoo daily to ensure that whats there, stays there....and I try to keep the epi type stuff to a minimum, although straight DHT does not seem to bother me at all....more the PH/DS derivatives....
 
I don't know if linking is allowed, but where do you guys recommend buying Stano? Is there a legit Amazon seller?
 
Gore said:
I don't know if linking is allowed, but where do you guys recommend buying Stano? Is there a legit Amazon seller?
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Amazon? Just look up ironflex stano....check the ironflex subforum here on am for discount codes.
 
Thanks for the heads up.

I suggested Amazon because I saw some LGI Stano for a good price and free shipping. I don't want to buy bunk product though.
 
LGI is legit.....just not sure about amazon.

Have used lgi products in the past....nothing wrong with them.

Suggested Ironflex because they are legit too....and dirt cheap with the extra promotional codes;)
 
Personally, I like IronMagLabs... Getting the right combo can do great things to your body!
 
Lockout=bueno.
Amazon=you get what you pay for. high % feedback and expensive=good, no-name no feedback seller for cheap=bad
 
Thanks for the input guys.

I ordered 3 bottles of Stano from IronFlex.

going to go: 400/400/600/600/800/800/1000/1000/1000(maybe1200)

Of course, the more I look, the more I am considering throwing in some Halo on top...or maybe Epi. I want to try to run Stano solo at least once to gauge my gains, but it's so tempting.
 
Gore said:
Thanks for the input guys.

I ordered 3 bottles of Stano from IronFlex.

going to go: 400/400/600/600/800/800/1000/1000/1000(maybe1200)

Of course, the more I look, the more I am considering throwing in some Halo on top...or maybe Epi. I want to try to run Stano solo at least once to gauge my gains, but it's so tempting.
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Good choice bro, ironflex has some good stuff.....I ran epi and stano together, and sd and stano.

Stano is always a good addition
 
Thanks, any reason why you went Epi over Halo?

Seems like a toss up to most people, and I've had good experiences with both. I still can't nail down a big difference between the two.
 
Gore said:
Thanks, any reason why you went Epi over Halo?

Seems like a toss up to most people, and I've had good experiences with both. I still can't nail down a big difference between the two.
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Used epi when I was cutting. Made more sence uaing epi than halo for that specific goal.

Actually never used Halo.....do have a bottle of mr supps helladrol in the closet:)

Maybe a helladrol and tren cycle in may...not sure yet.

Currently on Ostarine for 60 days.
 
I am considering using Helladrol as I have used it a few times in the past. I used it while "cutting" (not a real hard cut, just mild cal reduction) and I had good results. I didn't see why it wouldn't be good though. Can you explain the benefit as you see it to use Epi over Hella on a cut? I am not familiar with Ostarine either? Fill me in if you don't mind, or I can always Google it.
 
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