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EBF Inc said:
This mass hgh has my hair growing at high speed Same with cut healing. Pretty cool
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How long have you been on it? I can't seem to find when you started. I'm on it now as well so I'll be interested to see if I have similar effects.
 
When it comes to traps, my training partner and I alternate between calves and traps at the end of each training session. Calves10-15 sets, traps 5-10 sets.

Alternating between barbell (and behind the back), db w all three hand grips and hammer strength shrugs. You can do close grip upright rows to hit the traps, high rows, farmers walks, etc.
 
SwolenONE said:
That you picked up Dark Matter and Carbion? We need to check you into supplement rehab :p
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He has the best stashes known to mankind.

Absolutely insane amount of goodies :D

Mirin' and his collection
 
SwolenONE said:
I know how that goes, letting the girl get you into trouble haha. Hope you had a good weekend brother!
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Ehh life's full of ups n downs homie

We shall see what future holds for all

173.4 today

Bought craze the one with eth today

1 scoop pre with 1 scoop stim factor

1 scoop intra with Arnold's bcaa prod.

Hmm

That meme should be like

I took so many pre workout.....
But did you die?

Haha will let everyone know tomorrow

Been fooling around w melatonin and caffeine

Going to start fooling around with a bunch of other things

Vitamin a and calcium.

Then some high doses bromelain
 
172.8


So my calories are at 2600 and I just cut cardio out completely this week

Monday will up to 2700 and the. Up every 7 days

But Tuesday after my competition I was at 172.6

And my calories during peak week and whatever ranged from 1800-2100. With one day at 1600

So over all successful reverse diet. I have another 8 weeks to reverse diet.

Should get me up to 3500 calories
 
Nice, I find cutting out cardio for a while when bulking can be very useful. It just seems to be hard for the body to put on muscle during periods of resistance training, cardio, and the stresses of life.
 
SwolenONE said:
Nice, I find cutting out cardio for a while when bulking can be very useful. It just seems to be hard for the body to put on muscle during periods of resistance training, cardio, and the stresses of life.
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I slowly reduced it.

So now I'll add it back in next week maybe 1-2x a week on off days
 
EBF Inc said:
I slowly reduced it.

So now I'll add it back in next week maybe 1-2x a week on off days
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Sounds reasonable. It's definitely useful to keep you in good cardiovascular shape while bulking. What kind of intensity are you thinking? I've been experimenting with 1-2 times per week short HIIT sessions while bulking and it has been working out well so far to keep in good shape for things like squats.
 
classic34 said:
Sounds reasonable. It's definitely useful to keep you in good cardiovascular shape while bulking. What kind of intensity are you thinking? I've been experimenting with 1-2 times per week short HIIT sessions while bulking and it has been working out well so far to keep in good shape for things like squats.
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I've been doing the exact same! ^^^

Loving it
 
classic34 said:
Sounds reasonable. It's definitely useful to keep you in good cardiovascular shape while bulking. What kind of intensity are you thinking? I've been experimenting with 1-2 times per week short HIIT sessions while bulking and it has been working out well so far to keep in good shape for things like squats.
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Probably 20 min hiit and 45 min low intensity

Just went for tapas with a really beautiful woman. It was nice

Def not recommended for first date

Went off diet. However I only ate 800 cals leading up to the dinner and I kinda just decided not to care about dinner to macros. Let it be a cheat

Had my recompadrol and digestive enzymes ect. But def way over cals and it was an off day

Came home slammed a lot of different pills and powders and had a peoce of chicken some dark chocolate and tried having a shake

My shakes included 10g guar gum.

I couldn't eat it even with a spoon

I feel so bad that I ate ****ty. But tomorrow I have 2 training sessions. 9-11 am and then 845-945pm

Back and shoulders both workout

Tomorrow I'm going to basically do only

2000 cals to off set today. But I'm going to have a post workout shake with aminos at 1130

Then another one at 945.

Then I'll have a little bit of whole food and call it a day
 
EBF Inc said:
Probably 20 min hiit and 45 min low intensity

Just went for tapas with a really beautiful woman. It was nice

Def not recommended for first date

Went off diet. However I only ate 800 cals leading up to the dinner and I kinda just decided not to care about dinner to macros. Let it be a cheat

Had my recompadrol and digestive enzymes ect. But def way over cals and it was an off day

Came home slammed a lot of different pills and powders and had a peoce of chicken some dark chocolate and tried having a shake

My shakes included 10g guar gum.

I couldn't eat it even with a spoon

I feel so bad that I ate ****ty. But tomorrow I have 2 training sessions. 9-11 am and then 845-945pm

Back and shoulders both workout

Tomorrow I'm going to basically do only

2000 cals to off set today. But I'm going to have a post workout shake with aminos at 1130

Then another one at 945.

Then I'll have a little bit of whole food and call it a day
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It's really nice to see a woman referred to as beautiful, good on you mate :).
 
Worth the cheat meal that is broski.

Hmmm...lost
 
EBF_2356 said:
Was she worth it?
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Yea but unfortunately unsure it'll work. I wasn't myself. I was trying not to talk about the gym, and dieting. And focus more on her and it let to some awkward silences sometime which I was keen to fix immediately. But it's ok

Honestly one of the most beautiful women I've ever been out with. Not just physically but her mind her smarts were unbelievable

And runnerschick. I say it how it is
 
EBF Inc said:
Yea but unfortunately unsure it'll work. I wasn't myself. I was trying not to talk about the gym, and dieting. And focus more on her and it let to some awkward silences sometime which I was keen to fix immediately. But it's ok

Honestly one of the most beautiful women I've ever been out with. Not just physically but her mind her smarts were unbelievable

And runnerschick. I say it how it is
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Give you guys a glimpse into my post workout

1 scoop of dark matter
1 scoop carbion
200mg osthole
1 scoop aminolytes
1g garcinia
Some vanadyl ala chromium bitter melon
10 g guar gum
7 mg melatonin
240mg caffeine
1g loquat 5:1

I feel incredible right now
 
EBF Inc said:
Give you guys a glimpse into my post workout

1 scoop of dark matter
1 scoop carbion
200mg osthole
1 scoop aminolytes
1g garcinia
Some vanadyl ala chromium bitter melon
10 g guar gum
7 mg melatonin
240mg caffeine
1g loquat 5:1

I feel incredible right now
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I hope it ends up working out w the girl! My god, I feel like I pop a lot of pills. Your supp cabinet must be more like a whole supplement kitchen :)
 
169.4 today


I did **** my brains out from that guar gum experiment

Ps. 7mg melatonin in post workout hydroxypropyl starch with some electrolytes and aminos will inhibit vasopressing and make you drop a shot load of water

May do that pre contest instead of diuretics. Takes about 40-70 min to kick. But you also get vascular as fck
 
EBF Inc said:
169.4 today


I did **** my brains out from that guar gum experiment

Ps. 7mg melatonin in post workout hydroxypropyl starch with some electrolytes and aminos will inhibit vasopressing and make you drop a shot load of water

May do that pre contest instead of diuretics. Takes about 40-70 min to kick. But you also get vascular as fck
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Damn, I always learn something new from your posts and experiments. Ive been shotting my brains out from forskolin the past week :/

Have a great weekend brother!
 
SwolenONE said:
Damn, I always learn something new from your posts and experiments. Ive been shotting my brains out from forskolin the past week :/

Have a great weekend brother!
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Take your forskolin just after an over night fast

I would t take it with anything other then bcaas. Even leucine peptides tear me up when it's in my system

I wait 3 hours after taking it before i eat
 
EBF Inc said:
Take your forskolin just after an over night fast

I would t take it with anything other then bcaas. Even leucine peptides tear me up when it's in my system

I wait 3 hours after taking it before i eat
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Thanks for the advice, been taking it w meals or around meal time!
 
SwolenONE said:
Thanks for the advice, been taking it w meals or around meal time!
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Yea man you'll notice horrendous farts about 4 hours later

Bro been reading so much for adipose annihilation advanced.

What stims do you guys like (compliant).

Honestly was not going to add more then just caffeine and yohimbine. And low doses each

How do you guys like grape seed extract
 
Do you ever take a break from all that stuff? Not criticizing so please don't take it like that. Just curious as to your body's reaction in a totally unsupplemented state...
 
Tried endurapro today by ctd intra at 2 servings


Very disappointed. Very gassy.

Do not recommend.

Slow release with a higher release Insulin through interaction with gip (incretin hormone) and glp1 causing slowing of gastric emptying and extreme bloating in me. Felt the same way I felt before having appendix out

Snacked on 2 gas x. Been farting ever since

I believe it's more due to the fact I had more carbs post workout as well. But honestly I've been using those for a while with no issue

Attributing to endurapro

Cliffs:
Took endurapro intra
Gas after
Thought was dying
Really just had to fart for 8 hours
Do not recommend
Saturday night ruined
 
EBF Inc said:
Tried endurapro today by ctd intra at 2 servings

Very disappointed. Very gassy.

Do not recommend.

Slow release with a higher release Insulin through interaction with gip (incretin hormone) and glp1 causing slowing of gastric emptying and extreme bloating in me. Felt the same way I felt before having appendix out

Snacked on 2 gas x. Been farting ever since

I believe it's more due to the fact I had more carbs post workout as well. But honestly I've been using those for a while with no issue

Attributing to endurapro

Cliffs:
Took endurapro intra
Gas after
Thought was dying
Really just had to fart for 8 hours
Do not recommend
Saturday night ruined
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How are your guts now?
 
Not to bad


On the can right now

Added too much water to my rice last night so tossed in guar gum with it to thicken it up. Not to much tho so stomach is fine
 
Looking pretty smooth at the gym now. Not likening even a slight loss of abs but I'm over 300 carbs a day


Started intra carbs.

May not keep it.

Cals are a tad under 2700 at like 2680 ish a day
 
Soo. Much. Research.


Guar gum- good for a lot of things including insulin sensitivity, hunger, thermogenesis

Hydroxypropyl methylcellulose - increases ppar delta and alpha expression, reduces weight. Safe up to 20g a day. But not needed in more then 4g I believe

That's where most of my research is headed
 
EBF Inc said:
Soo. Much. Research.


Guar gum- good for a lot of things including insulin sensitivity, hunger, thermogenesis

Hydroxypropyl methylcellulose - increases ppar delta and alpha expression, reduces weight. Safe up to 20g a day. But not needed in more then 4g I believe

That's where most of my research is headed
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Do you have a particular type of product that you're gearing your research towards or just sorta discovering things and then see where the winners fit?
 
booneman77 said:
Do you have a particular type of product that you're gearing your research towards or just sorta discovering things and then see where the winners fit?
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Maybe ketocarb

So BC of the slowing down of the transit and very little to no insulin secretion with increases in satiety and fat burning. Maybe a post workout carb with some mimetics to keep you keto guys sane lol
 
EBF Inc said:
Maybe ketocarb

So BC of the slowing down of the transit and very little to no insulin secretion with increases in satiety and fat burning. Maybe a post workout carb with some mimetics to keep you keto guys sane lol
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Very interesting. I'm thoroughly enjoying hearing the results of all your ingredient mixtures and trials.
 
booneman77 said:
Very interesting. I'm thoroughly enjoying hearing the results of all your ingredient mixtures and trials.
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There's not enough people researching and applying. I mean the big companies do

Not the small ones. Like me.

I am thinking about adding melatonin to whatever post workout carb I make if I make one and but the nomenclature instead of the name so it doesn't deter people lol

The science is so good.
 
EBF Inc said:
There's not enough people researching and applying. I mean the big companies do

Not the small ones. Like me.

I am thinking about adding melatonin to whatever post workout carb I make if I make one and but the nomenclature instead of the name so it doesn't deter people lol

The science is so good.
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Ya its nice to see someone really testing their own stuff too. Selling stuff that has a compound that was tested in an obese lab rat 20yrs ago doesnt mean much. Selling stuff that has been tested on a trained, dieting, knowledgeable individual is legitimately applicable. Much respect.

I hear you about the turn off of seeing melatonin... I see it and I think sleep, and I'm sure most others do as well. Smart marketing there.
 
booneman77 said:
Ya its nice to see someone really testing their own stuff too. Selling stuff that has a compound that was tested in an obese lab rat 20yrs ago doesnt mean much. Selling stuff that has been tested on a trained, dieting, knowledgeable individual is legitimately applicable. Much respect.

I hear you about the turn off of seeing melatonin... I see it and I think sleep, and I'm sure most others do as well. Smart marketing there.
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Gimme a break down of your post workout routine or carb routine if you do traditional or back load ill apply some stuff to it for you to do and you'll love it
 
EBF Inc said:
Gimme a break down of your post workout routine or carb routine if you do traditional or back load ill apply some stuff to it for you to do and you'll love it
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I'm pretty basic when dieting I usually just limit my carbs to 2-3 rice cakes and a 30-40g protein shake then a full meal of just protein and fats about an hr later. Through the day it's pro/carb every 3 hrs or so until 4pm then pro/fat after. Most meals are 30-40g protein and either 10-15g fat or 30-60g carbs (almost exclusively complex)
 
booneman77 said:
I'm pretty basic when dieting I usually just limit my carbs to 2-3 rice cakes and a 30-40g protein shake then a full meal of just protein and fats about an hr later. Through the day it's pro/carb every 3 hrs or so until 4pm then pro/fat after. Most meals are 30-40g protein and either 10-15g fat or 30-60g carbs (almost exclusively complex)
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Gotcha. Ever try any back loading or carb powders post workout?
 
I usually just eat a few small rice crispies and/or pop tarts post workout with a shake, and them consume a whole meal 60-90 min later.
 
kbayne said:
I usually just eat a few small rice crispies and/or pop tarts post workout with a shake, and them consume a whole meal 60-90 min later.
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You guys should try switching to a hydroxypropyl starch with guar gum (start small) aminos and 7mg melatonin with ala and vs for now.

Then wait a while. And eat. Caffeine will help increase melatonin concentration and reduce the probability if negative nitrogen balance. And melatonin with spike leptin levels so you'll feel warm. Oh and vascular from melatonin and you'll end up drying out a little from the melatonin at that dose since it works similar to alcohol in inhibiting vasopressin (anti diuretic hormone)
 
EBF Inc said:
Gotcha. Ever try any back loading or carb powders post workout?
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I actually have tried backloading for a bit but I don't think I really gave it enough time (only about 4 weeks). I didnt notice much in the way of body comp so I got a bit discouraged and went back to the old standby. I've tried leangains style IF as well and did like it as far as convenience and getting to eat big (which I love as I'm a total fat kid at heart) but didn't see much with it either.

Lately I've been toying with a bit of a hybrid that consists of a fast til about 10am with some ss cardio and aminos in the morning then 2 pre workout meals, and 2 postworkout meals, finishing up around 9pm. So basically a 12hr fast/feed with very low carbs for 6 days and on the 7th a 4-5hr carb blast with sometimes up 1000g. I've had some decent success here and it allows me to "cheat" a lot more on the refeed day.

I'll have to give the your recipe below a shot. I've had great results during a peak week trial with r-ala and vs
 
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