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I'm looking to run a very effective, efficient, quality PH cycle beginning on Jan. 2nd. I'm looking for helpful tips/advice, so I can get the most of my results. I'm listing an outline of the supplement plan I will follow for the next 12-16 weeks. Please let me know of any changing or tweaking I should do before I get started. I'm 28 years old, 5'8 tall, my weight seems to bounce between 178-180, 10.8% body-fat. I've been lifting on and off, for over 10 years, going back to high school and college football. I follow a very clean diet, high in protein and I'm very disciplined when it comes to following a supplement plan. My goal is to add a solid 10-12 pounds of dry muscle, getting to about 190. I do not want to hold a lot of water, where I look bloated and puffy. I have taken CEL H-Drol before, which I liked. I'm looking for something to add more mass, Super DMZ 2.0 stacked with LGI stano-200 is what I had in mind. I'm not a young kid or inexperienced when it comes to training, I know what I'm getting myself into as far as PH's go. I'm just looking for some extra knowledge, particularly with my PCT plan, but with the whole cycle overall. I've listed the brands/companies of the supplements, please advice me if ones better than the other. Thanks in advance.

Dec. 16-31 ( 2 weeks prior)
- multi-vitamin
- CEL cycle assist
- fish oil
- joint support w/taurine
- protein (whey/casein)
- aiming for 3,500-4,000 clean calories

Jan. 2 - Jan. 31 (4 weeks)
- multi-vitamin (Anavite)
- cycle assist (CEL)
- super DMZ 2.0 (B-stone)
- stano-200 (LGI)
- fish oil/ joint support/ taurine (ON, primalforce)
- protein (whey/ casein) (Phase 8, ON Casein and Hydro Whey)
- 4,000 cal. daily.

Feb. 1- Mar 15 ( 6 weeks) PCT

- Multi
- Cycle Assist
- Remaining Stano-200
- CEL PCT
- fish oil/ joint support/ taurine
- protein (whey/ casein)
- Animal Test
- tamoxifen citrate 30 ml (not too familiar with this, was advised to use it).
 
Looks pretty good. I'd run the SDMZ 2.0 at 2/2/2/2 and run all the Stano only during the cycle, none in pct. I'd also get a really good AI like Aromasin to run during pct at 12.5mg ED. It will boost your test even further and its raises IGF-levels, that's nothing but benefits.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
Looks pretty good. I'd run the SDMZ 2.0 at 2/2/2/2 and run all the Stano only during the cycle, none in pct. I'd also get a really good AI like Aromasin to run during pct at 12.5mg ED. It will boost your test even further and its raises IGF-levels, that's nothing but benefits.
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Thanks for the info, I appreciate it.
 
Drop stano in your pct.

I'd prolly shoot for 6 weeks for your cycle, but that's just me.

as for your tamox, I'd use it 40/20/20/20

otheriwse looks well planned out!
 
GeekPoop said:
Drop stano in your pct.

I'd prolly shoot for 6 weeks for your cycle, but that's just me.

as for your tamox, I'd use it 40/20/20/20

otheriwse looks well planned out!
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Agreed. I'd shoot for 6 weeks too but if u do definitely get some tudca.
 
I'm out.....don't meet the minimum requirements listed in the title....DAMMIT! :D
 
I'm sure this isn't what everyone will want to here but 5kg in 4 weeks is a lot of weight. Muscle gained fast is muscle lost fast.
You're going to be much better off and healthier taking 250mg of testosterone a week to be quite honest. You're 5'8, 180 and have some resemblance of abs so you know how to diet and train hard. Doubling your testosterone will give amazing results over half a year, take some arimidex dosed at personal preference and throw in 30-40mg of orals a day intermittently in my opinion. Winstrol or epistane are probably your best bets for them. Nice and anabolic, pretty mild. Make sure your HDL, LDL, triglycerides and blood pressure are good before you throw in a non-aromatising or DHT based steroid- this goes for short oral cycles too
 
AlexPowell said:
I'm sure this isn't what everyone will want to here but 5kg in 4 weeks is a lot of weight. Muscle gained fast is muscle lost fast.
You're going to be much better off and healthier taking 250mg of testosterone a week to be quite honest. You're 5'8, 180 and have some resemblance of abs so you know how to diet and train hard. Doubling your testosterone will give amazing results over half a year, take some arimidex dosed at personal preference and throw in 30-40mg of orals a day intermittently in my opinion. Winstrol or epistane are probably your best bets for them. Nice and anabolic, pretty mild. Make sure your HDL, LDL, triglycerides and blood pressure are good before you throw in a non-aromatising or DHT based steroid- this goes for short oral cycles too
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Agreed. A test base will help solidify gains once the oral is finished. Plus will combat any lethargy.
 
Most people will never need more than a 500mg test base + other **** cycled in and out
After 500mg it's mainly bloat. Stay at 250mg for a year then increase to 500mg for 8 weeks and see the difference. Increase it to a gram after that and notice the difference again. Most people will not see much of a difference from 500-1000. If you do, you pretty much have the drug response genetics to go pro lol.

Many people will deny this though, I think they are just impatient personally. Guy that loses more than 10% of his best condition on 500mg is very, very large and lean fella lol
 
AlexPowell said:
Most people will never need more than a 500mg test base + other **** cycled in and out
After 500mg it's mainly bloat. Stay at 250mg for a year then increase to 500mg for 8 weeks and see the difference. Increase it to a gram after that and notice the difference again. Most people will not see much of a difference from 500-1000. If you do, you pretty much have the drug response genetics to go pro lol.

Many people will deny this though, I think they are just impatient personally. Guy that loses more than 10% of his best condition on 500mg is very, very large and lean fella lol
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I try and tell these mafckers about this all the time on here, and do they listen? NOPE. they tell newbs to run 750-1 gram a week of test LMFAO. I try to explain start off with 250-300, increase to 400 the next, then to 500 the next, and if you need to go above 500 there is a problem. Most guys on here have that "more is better" overdoing it approach. Its part of the culture I guess.....I use my brain in addition to my muscles :D
 
yeah once you get to 500mg of test, cycling orals in and out, you're looking at a solid 5'10 220lb really. Big dude
of course people will read this and think "I am 5'10" 220lb!" but they will not be in contest condition. That's a FFM index of 30 lol.
after then, you can start to worry about deca, tren, equipoise, etc. Each drug will have it's own peak of diminishing returns so really you need to look into keeping that 500mg test base and adding a ml at a time. Yeah that's 500/200 test/deca for 8 weeks essentially... at this point it's more of an art and you can play with low test and high anabolics, whatever really you'll know what to do it's pointless trying to suggest things

I sound like I speak from experience but I am just fortunate enough to know a lot of old dudes lol.
 
AlexPowell said:
yeah once you get to 500mg of test, cycling orals in and out, you're looking at a solid 5'10 220lb really. Big dude
of course people will read this and think "I am 5'10" 220lb!" but they will not be in contest condition. That's a FFM index of 30 lol.
after then, you can start to worry about deca, tren, equipoise, etc. Each drug will have it's own peak of diminishing returns so really you need to look into keeping that 500mg test base and adding a ml at a time. Yeah that's 500/200 test/deca for 8 weeks essentially... at this point it's more of an art and you can play with low test and high anabolics, whatever really you'll know what to do it's pointless trying to suggest things

I sound like I speak from experience but I am just fortunate enough to know a lot of old dudes lol.
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Yeah I'm one of the actual old dudes lol. Not that looking at me you'd know (which you can't :D), but I assure you I am old.
 
AlexPowell said:
Most people will never need more than a 500mg test base + other **** cycled in and out
After 500mg it's mainly bloat. Stay at 250mg for a year then increase to 500mg for 8 weeks and see the difference. Increase it to a gram after that and notice the difference again. Most people will not see much of a difference from 500-1000. If you do, you pretty much have the drug response genetics to go pro lol.

Many people will deny this though, I think they are just impatient personally. Guy that loses more than 10% of his best condition on 500mg is very, very large and lean fella lol
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I agree and can attest with experience. For me >500 test was bloat city. I'm cruising at 500/wk and will back down to 120trt around March for blood work in April
 
Wise words going on here. I'm a youngin, turn 22 in march but u guys r right. I've believed this all along. Many times more is not more when it comes to AAS. I tell guys all the time to start at lower doses of test (300-400mg) and then go up slowly from there. Next cycle throw in a good oral to further gains but on their 2nd cycle don't go to 750mg of test w/ 400mg of deca and 40-50mg of dbol. Get gains off of the minimum and ride it out til u need to go higher.
 
AlexPowell said:
I'm sure this isn't what everyone will want to here but 5kg in 4 weeks is a lot of weight. Muscle gained fast is muscle lost fast. You're going to be much better off and healthier taking 250mg of testosterone a week to be quite honest. You're 5'8, 180 and have some resemblance of abs so you know how to diet and train hard. Doubling your testosterone will give amazing results over half a year, take some arimidex dosed at personal preference and throw in 30-40mg of orals a day intermittently in my opinion. Winstrol or epistane are probably your best bets for them. Nice and anabolic, pretty mild. Make sure your HDL, LDL, triglycerides and blood pressure are good before you throw in a non-aromatising or DHT based steroid- this goes for short oral cycles too
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just to make sure I'm picking up what your putting down, your suggesting scrapping this cycle altogether, right? Or should I run this Test cycle after I run this PH cycle? I appreciate the info, and was kinda planning on running a straight steroid cycle after the PH cycle/ right before the summer months. I'm def not opposed to running the Test cycle earlier, if that's better recommended. If you have the time to put together a suggested cycle plan, including any PCT or on cycle support involved, I would like to try it. I do have access to most any anabolics (test,equi, winnie etc.), but as seems to be understood. The advice on the street is not always the best. You really seem to know what your talking about, and I really appreciate it. Thanks in advance for everyone's help on here.
 
He just wants u to add a test base.

For example:

Weeks 1-12 Test E 250mg
Weeks 1-6 SDMZ 2.0 2/2/2/3/3/3
weeks 1-14 Arimidex .25mg EOD or as needed

The test will keep u anabolic and help keep your gains from the oral.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
He just wants u to add a test base. For example: Weeks 1-12 Test E 250mg Weeks 1-6 SDMZ 2.0 2/2/2/3/3/3 weeks 1-14 Arimidex .25mg EOD or as needed The test will keep u anabolic and help keep your gains from the oral.
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thanks for clearing that up, I really wanna make sure I not only get my money's worth, but maximize results. This is probably a dumb question, but is there anything that prevents/slows the inevitable hair balding? I'm assuming with the strength of these supps, it may cause early baldness. Also, should I wait until after week 12 to start PCT or get started after week 6 and keep taking the Test E during PCT?
 
DNA24 said:
thanks for clearing that up, I really wanna make sure I not only get my money's worth, but maximize results. This is probably a dumb question, but is there anything that prevents/slows the inevitable hair balding? I'm assuming with the strength of these supps, it may cause early baldness. Also, should I wait until after week 12 to start PCT or get started after week 6 and keep taking the Test E during PCT?
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Stinging nettle extract, Topical minoxidil/spironolactone/azelaic acid, toco formula.
 
DNA24 said:
thanks for clearing that up, I really wanna make sure I not only get my money's worth, but maximize results. This is probably a dumb question, but is there anything that prevents/slows the inevitable hair balding? I'm assuming with the strength of these supps, it may cause early baldness. Also, should I wait until after week 12 to start PCT or get started after week 6 and keep taking the Test E during PCT?
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U wait until the test clears, so pct would start week 15
 
I think mainly, if you're getting sides then you're running the wrong drugs in the wrong dosages
Arimidex will fix most issues if run from the word go, you'll find that if oestrogen is low, all other non-androgenic steroid hormones will be low as well.

If you simply want your moneys worth, stick to test, adex, deca, tren, masteron, dbol, viagra (yeah) and maybe gh when you're older
The newer, designer orals are good as well, I like them because orals are outrageously expensive for me. But it's not as if no-one ever got shredded on low dose test, some deca and dbol lol. Adex will turn any "wet" hormone into a "dry" hormone
 
DNA24 said:
I'm looking to run a very effective, efficient, quality PH cycle beginning on Jan. 2nd. I'm looking for helpful tips/advice, so I can get the most of my results. I'm listing an outline of the supplement plan I will follow for the next 12-16 weeks. Please let me know of any changing or tweaking I should do before I get started. I'm 28 years old, 5'8 tall, my weight seems to bounce between 178-180, 10.8% body-fat. I've been lifting on and off, for over 10 years, going back to high school and college football. I follow a very clean diet, high in protein and I'm very disciplined when it comes to following a supplement plan. My goal is to add a solid 10-12 pounds of dry muscle, getting to about 190. I do not want to hold a lot of water, where I look bloated and puffy. I have taken CEL H-Drol before, which I liked. I'm looking for something to add more mass, Super DMZ 2.0 stacked with LGI stano-200 is what I had in mind. I'm not a young kid or inexperienced when it comes to training, I know what I'm getting myself into as far as PH's go. I'm just looking for some extra knowledge, particularly with my PCT plan, but with the whole cycle overall. I've listed the brands/companies of the supplements, please advice me if ones better than the other. Thanks in advance.

Dec. 16-31 ( 2 weeks prior)
- multi-vitamin
- CEL cycle assist
- fish oil
- joint support w/taurine
- protein (whey/casein)
- aiming for 3,500-4,000 clean calories

Jan. 2 - Jan. 31 (4 weeks)
- multi-vitamin (Anavite)
- cycle assist (CEL)
- super DMZ 2.0 (B-stone)
- stano-200 (LGI)
- fish oil/ joint support/ taurine (ON, primalforce)
- protein (whey/ casein) (Phase 8, ON Casein and Hydro Whey)
- 4,000 cal. daily.

Feb. 1- Mar 15 ( 6 weeks) PCT

- Multi
- Cycle Assist
- Remaining Stano-200
- CEL PCT
- fish oil/ joint support/ taurine
- protein (whey/ casein)
- Animal Test
- tamoxifen citrate 30 ml (not too familiar with this, was advised to use it).
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Instead of me breaking all this down let me just lay out an alternative.

Multivitamin Orange Triad(has joint support in it)
6 a day 3/3 or 2/2/2 which ever you prefer
Fish oil Oximega(best EPA/DHA quantity for the cost)
6 a day on cycle 4 a day as a staple supplement
Protein Dymatize Whey Protein Isolate 10lb can't beat it for 87 dollars also don't buy into the protein type hype protein is protein

Cycle support i perfer Anteaus labs Talos over the rest that all use the same ingredients. Also i'd use Anteaus Labs Aegis(tudca + more) with this cycle for liver support.

As for the gear there is a sweet deal on Methadrol Xtreme which is basically sdmz 2.0 with dmz at 15mg per cap and added max lmg at 15mg a cap. The reason I go for this over SDMZ 2.0 is there is a ****ing sweet deal on it right now somewhere for 37 dollars a bottle vs 60 for sdmz, i'd also grab a bottle of LGI LMG-25 for another 25 dollars and take 3 a day to get LMG closer to where it is good. As for test base pick up some celtic labs Trestobol their having a blowout black friday sale for 20 dollars a bottle which is unheard of, run it how ever much you need to to combat lethargy 10-100mg a day just buy enough in advance.

Now both trest and lmg aromatize so use Exemestane to control estrogen usually 12.5mg every other day works on cycle in pct and even post pct just till you normalize. You may need to up dosage or frequency or you could also use PES Erase along side it.

As for PCT Nolva(tamoxifen) at 20mg a day for 2 weeks and 10mg a day for 2 weeks, basically 1ml then .5ml the stuff makes my taste buds all ****ed up for a while after i take it so i'd take it prebed.
AI Sports bulk DAA
Exemestane/erase as needed
 
Just looked at these cycle assist products... holy **** you're getting ripped off
Get online, find a bulk protein or nutrient supplier and get a kilo of NAC (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcysteine). This will clean up your liver in a hurry and is the main ingredient as far as I can tell. The tribulus, long jack or whatever else will do exactly two things: Jack and ****.
 
AlexPowell said:
Just looked at these cycle assist products... holy **** you're getting ripped off
Get online, find a bulk protein or nutrient supplier and get a kilo of NAC (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcysteine). This will clean up your liver in a hurry and is the main ingredient as far as I can tell. The tribulus, long jack or whatever else will do exactly two things: Jack and ****.
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Trib and longjack do help with libido, just not with raising test as some felt it did back in the day. But yeah, instead of buying one of these all in one cycle assist products, just buy bulk NAC or TUDCA, or whatever you want to use.
 
AlexPowell said:
I think mainly, if you're getting sides then you're running the wrong drugs in the wrong dosages Arimidex will fix most issues if run from the word go, you'll find that if oestrogen is low, all other non-androgenic steroid hormones will be low as well. If you simply want your moneys worth, stick to test, adex, deca, tren, masteron, dbol, viagra (yeah) and maybe gh when you're older The newer, designer orals are good as well, I like them because orals are outrageously expensive for me. But it's not as if no-one ever got shredded on low dose test, some deca and dbol lol. Adex will turn any "wet" hormone into a "dry" hormone
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is there a reputable online store to buy Arimidex? From what I'm looking up, I would need a script for it, is there an over the counter alternative that works the same? Thanks man, all the info's been helpful.
 
DNA24 said:
is there a reputable online store to buy Arimidex? From what I'm looking up, I would need a script for it, is there an over the counter alternative that works the same? Thanks man, all the info's been helpful.
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I dunno what the rules are here with linking to sources. Many online pharmacies sell it. 6-OXO might work, I've never tried it and can't recommend it
 
DNA24 said:
is there a reputable online store to buy Arimidex? From what I'm looking up, I would need a script for it, is there an over the counter alternative that works the same? Thanks man, all the info's been helpful.
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Research chemical arimidex, look for recent reviews. U will find a legit source quick.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
Research chemical arimidex, look for recent reviews. U will find a legit source quick.
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I'm having a hard time finding a reputable online store, is it the same to use PES Erase/Erase Pro "on cycle" instead of Arimidex? I was planning on taking Arimidex from day 1 thru last day of PCT, can I substitute Erase/Erase Pro and take Erase from day 1 until last day of PCT? If you can help with Arimidex, just private message me. I don't want anyone risking writing the wrong thing in a forum. Thanks guys.
 
DNA24 said:
I'm having a hard time finding a reputable online store, is it the same to use PES Erase/Erase Pro "on cycle" instead of Arimidex? I was planning on taking Arimidex from day 1 thru last day of PCT, can I substitute Erase/Erase Pro and take Erase from day 1 until last day of PCT? If you can help with Arimidex, just private message me. I don't want anyone risking writing the wrong thing in a forum. Thanks guys.
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No u definitely wanna use arimidex or even better Aromasin.
 
One or the other
You're going to have to feel the dosage out yourself. When your joints are dry but not feeling like they are about to snap in half when you do triceps extensions, that's "just right"
 
Aromasin just doesn't seem anywhere near as effective as arimidex for AI properties (I know Aromasin has other benefits). I take 25mg per day and it seems that its not helping as much as I would assume (I had really high E2 though, in the 60's)....I need to get into the office and have them draw blood to check Estrogens SOON...classes are over for a month, so I'll have time now to concentrate on the task :D
 
AnabolicHolic said:
Aromasin just doesn't seem anywhere near as effective as arimidex for AI properties (I know Aromasin has other benefits). I take 25mg per day and it seems that its not helping as much as I would assume (I had really high E2 though, in the 60's)....I need to get into the office and have them draw blood to check Estrogens SOON...classes are over for a month, so I'll have time now to concentrate on the task :D
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Is yours pharm or RC?
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
Is yours pharm or RC?
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Neither, from a source....his "house brand"....so yeah, I need to get labs to see if its legit or not, easiest way to find out. Its been almost a month now so....
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
Yeah 25mg should have u bone dry.
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I was quite high though, at 65 for E2 and 165 for total estrogens, both essentially off the labcorp charts....and I'm still on the 9 pumps 1% androgel, so maybe I need a more hardcore AI like arimidex....at 1mg EOD or MWF, basically .5 ED. I want to see where I'm at with this guys aromasin though first, I am also taking DIM which one of the anti-aging forum guys said did wonders for him. I do tend to make an assload of estrogen though, esp on androgel for some reason....
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I was quite high though, at 65 for E2 and 165 for total estrogens, both essentially off the labcorp charts....and I'm still on the 9 pumps 1% androgel, so maybe I need a more hardcore AI like arimidex....at 1mg EOD or MWF, basically .5 ED. I want to see where I'm at with this guys aromasin though first, I am also taking DIM which one of the anti-aging forum guys said did wonders for him. I do tend to make an assload of estrogen though, esp on androgel for some reason....
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Damn that's crazy bro. I hope it stays under control.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
Damn that's crazy bro. I hope it stays under control.
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I'm tryin'! :D a lot of guys get crazy estrogen #'s on TRT, esp on androgel. and endos/GP's won't prescribe an AI for us despite shoving the labs in their face, life is not fair sometimes....
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I'm tryin'! :D a lot of guys get crazy estrogen #'s on TRT, esp on androgel. and endos/GP's won't prescribe an AI for us despite shoving the labs in their face, life is not fair sometimes....
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What's your diet, body fat percentage and waist circumference like?
 
AlexPowell said:
What's your diet, body fat percentage and waist circumference like?
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I have no idea, I just look in the mirror and if I like what I see, I'm good. I know I wear a size 31 jeans and its not snug at all, BF might be 10-12 maybe? not sure, its not consistent from bodypart to bodypart, I'm a pretty good meso-endo-ecto mix depending on the part of the body we are looking at. Everybody thinks I am pretty lean, muscular, and vascular though, so...
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I have no idea, I just look in the mirror and if I like what I see, I'm good. I know I wear a size 31 jeans and its not snug at all, BF might be 10-12 maybe? not sure, its not consistent from bodypart to bodypart, I'm a pretty good meso-endo-ecto mix depending on the part of the body we are looking at. Everybody thinks I am pretty lean, muscular, and vascular though, so...
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If estrogen is an issue, I'd diet right down. Remove grains, dairy and other not-natural foods. Keep protein high, 2g/lb of body weight. I'd make this half your calories for the day and the other half I'd split evenly between carbs and fats. I have no idea what a meso-endo-ecto mix is, but I'm sure it has nothing to do with estrogen.

I'm in a similar situation, but with visceral fat instead of estrogen. I am in the single digits yet my navel is 33" (I wear 31" also). Just got to diet it off and use a minimalist approach to which foods you eat
 
AlexPowell said:
If estrogen is an issue, I'd diet right down. Remove grains, dairy and other not-natural foods. Keep protein high, 2g/lb of body weight. I'd make this half your calories for the day and the other half I'd split evenly between carbs and fats. I have no idea what a meso-endo-ecto mix is, but I'm sure it has nothing to do with estrogen.

I'm in a similar situation, but with visceral fat instead of estrogen. I am in the single digits yet my navel is 33" (I wear 31" also). Just got to diet it off and use a minimalist approach to which foods you eat
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50-25-25 works well, but its a nuisance to diet like that all the time. Now I do more like an isocaloric 33% each, and it works fairly well. I'm not going to kill myself and make myself miserable for a few BF% points though, its not that important to me. and mesomorph is a muscular build, endomorph is fatter guy, and ectomorph is a skinny guy.....most people are some mix of these three, some are accurate representations of a particular category....so yeah it does have something to do with estrogen since you will accumulate fat in places you have endomorphic tendencies, esp lower abs and lower chest of course when dealing with estrogen issues. But believe me, I've used every diet strategy known to the bodybuilding world over the years and then some :D
 
I guarantee you, at 6% with arimidex and just enough test to maintain your size, you will not have estrogen issues
 
AlexPowell said:
I guarantee you, at 6% with arimidex and just enough test to maintain your size, you will not have estrogen issues
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Perhaps, but I don't believe it has anything to do with BF%, but instead the aromatization of estrogen from testosterone therapy. Some individuals seem to have more of a propensity to aromatize test into estrogen than others, and regardless of BF....this is gonna happen. I know the more BF you carry the more aromatase you are likely to have, but come on now...I don't think guys in the 12-15% bracket are "fat" by any means. If you are a REALLY fat guy with ridiculous BF% then yes...I don't think reducing BF to low-mid single digits is necessary when you can simply add in an AI and reduce it that way. I can get to pretty damn low BF% and still have estrogen issues galore, believe me. Ever see totally ripped bodybuilders on the stage with gyno :D
 
Just my thoughts. I'm sure if it's that much of an issue you'll try it and see.
 
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