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sonnysponza

sonnysponza

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I guys this is a question I don't see every often? So I'm going to arise it.

Accouple of months ago after 3 months of research and decisions, on ph or test I've come to the conclusion that test e is a good starter. Because of big job opportunities and moving over finally calmed down & ready to move in to running it after my proviron & noveldex comes.
Here's the problem.. Not having a office job or a bar job like body builders.
I'm a concretor, and like most concretors there very skinny from poor diet and alcoholic abuse, AND also a lot of physical work.


The question is will my 10 -12 week cycle be worth it with a much more physical come compared to the jobs the minority of you guys do ?
Up the calories sounds like the response I'll be seeing ..
 
Just cause they have alcoholic tendencies and poor diet, doesn't mean you have to as well.

If that's an issue you currently face, you'll be much better off fixing those problems, rather than wasting time on a suboptimal cycle.
 
AnthroLats said:
Just cause they have alcoholic tendencies and poor diet, doesn't mean you have to as well. If that's an issue you currently face, you'll be much better off fixing those problems, rather than wasting time on a suboptimal cycle.
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I don't drink or do anything I was just using them for an example

I went of track, I'm really asking is with a fairly physical job and I still run a 12w cycle with my training, Macros (dieting) all in check and STILL have a 5 day job
 
In the end adding something that will boost strength/size gain will do exactly that, you would be working that amount regardless so you will still reap the benefits compared to if you used nothing. Definitely more calories & BCAA's at work.

I get what you are saying 100% though. I always called myself a hardgainer but have been off work over a month now git medical reasons, I can still work out and my muscle gains have noticeably accelerated. Physical jobs are detrimental to hypertrophy, at least fir me.
 
squeeze your biceps longer when you pull the come along, do wrist curls with the screed, and push-ups while your waiting on the next bucket or truck. if you work on high rise buildings you should try to get in with the field engineers, using your brain and not your brawn. concrete finishing is tough. good luck.
 
There is no reason that you should not see gains and move towards your goal simply because you have a physical job. I'd rather have that than sit at a desk all day, just to squeeze in gym time at some point in the day.
 
jwood10 said:
squeeze your biceps longer when you pull the come along, do wrist curls with the screed, and push-ups while your waiting on the next bucket or truck. if you work on high rise buildings you should try to get in with the field engineers, using your brain and not your brawn. concrete finishing is tough. good luck.
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This... Otherwise eat an extra 1000 calories. When I'm doing concrete jobs I eat like bear going into hibernation.
 
jwood10 said:
squeeze your biceps longer when you pull the come along, do wrist curls with the screed, and push-ups while your waiting on the next bucket or truck. if you work on high rise buildings you should try to get in with the field engineers, using your brain and not your brawn. concrete finishing is tough. good luck.
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Think you have the wrong idea I have time to workout, i was just under the impression that working a hard physical job will ruin my 12w test cycle
 
You'll be recovering quick enough, I don't see anything negative, you'll probably come off way leaner with better endurance.
 
The physical work could be good for increasing recovery by increasing blood flow.

I used to have a physical job and it actually helped to work some soreness out of my muscles. Now I have a desk job, and the more I sit, the more tight my muscles get throughout the day. I have to get up and move.
 
sonnysponza said:
Think you have the wrong idea I have time to workout, i was just under the impression that working a hard physical job will ruin my 12w test cycle
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i was being facetious. as long as you get proper rest and stay hydrated i firmly believe nothing will hinder your cycle. One of the finisher foremen i work with from time to time does gear on and off all year round and hes f'n huge.
 
Don't focus on any negative comments about recovery or your ability to make nice gains. Should, could, might, etc are all excuse words and that is not what you care about.
 
kisaj said:
Don't focus on any negative comments about recovery or your ability to make nice gains. Should, could, might, etc are all excuse words and that is not what you care about.
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Exactly. I've done concrete and construction since 17 and in those 10.5 years I've don't the most of my 70lbs of growth at close to same bodyfat and the first 50-55 lbs were all naturally gained without and cycles. So it's largely diet based as long as you go good solid sleep at night. I need 8.5-9.5 hours each night to feel the absolute best. Sleep is not overrated. When I'm low on sleep I feel my age. When I'm totally caught up, I feel 20.
 
Shouldn't be that big of a problem. The extra calories that everyone mentioned is definitely key as is adequate rest time. THE big thing to keep in mind when you're doing long stretches of intense physical labor and you see your gains fading...muscle memory is your friend. I used to freak out over losing 20 pounds over the summer as I hiked my arse off, but years later I've come to realize that I can gain it all back in just a few months of proper diet and wo frequency.
 
Tomahawk88 said:
Believe whatever you want.
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Man it depends what you call results! If you are talking harder to do a hard core dirty bulk then yes, big hindrance. If you're talking about gaining 8-10lbs of meat while perhaps even cutting? Definitely no big deal. I've never had a sit down job and it works. If working hard each day hinders your gains something else completely is causing this, not enough rest, sleep, workouts that are just a bit too long or perhaps too short. Anabolics cover altitude of sins when your calories are just a tiny less then satisfactory. They are miracle workers, it still takes work. But they preserve muscle in a deficit to some extent and when just breaking even you can cut plus grow. And on a cut and growing 5 lbs in 2 months, isn't that time saved over dirty bulking and cutting? Plus we don't have to feel like a smooth fatso for 2-3 months out of the year. I personally get no satisfaction in being high with a layer of fat. In short I feel my job has covered a lot if crappy eating when thrown in with my still decent metabolism. I did a lot of my growing on like 75-100 grams of protein each day and 500-600 carbs and pouring concrete all day. Lol I'm climbing down off my pedestal
 
Tomahawk88 said:
Believe whatever you want.
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What is your argument? It seems like you just want to argue to get your point across that he may miss a lb or two of gain because he has a physical job. In the end, the benefits of his physical job outweigh that miniscule amount.

Like bioman mentioned, it is easy to gain and lose weight along with muscle once you have been doing it for a long time. Ask any of us that run a bulk a couple times a year to support our endeavors and hobbies outside of the gym.
 
He asked a question and I gave my opinion. I'm not the one writing essays trying to prove anything.
In order for your body to grow it needs rest. Working a physical job will require you to recover from more. So not only are you recovering from your workouts but also work.
 
Just gotta ease into it and build work capacity. Work capacity is the "secret" of the pros. They can do a shîtload of training day in and day out and that builds the base for their massiveness.

I work construction and powerlift. I used to do maybe two or three top sets and 3 different assistance exercises and called it a day. Over time, I've built up to three main movements and four assistance movements. If I'm ripping shingles all day or something equally challenging, I'll push my squat or deadlift day back. If I'm feeling run down, I'll deload or eat more.

Is it optimal? No. Do I make excuses? Fück no. Could I be further along toward my goals if my lifestyle was eat/train/sleep and my bills were paid by someone else? Sure, but that's not the world I live in.
 
You train for the goal you are after. I just don't understand what you are missing in this thread? You are the only one that seems not to get it.
 
kisaj said:
LOL, that is true. As long as there was a method to the madness, carry on.
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Plus I have been reading a lot about High Intensity Training and Arthur Jones. It will get you to question ideas that have been commonly accepted.
 
Tomahawk88 said:
Plus I have been reading a lot about High Intensity Training and Arthur Jones. It will get you to question ideas that have been commonly accepted.
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Yeah I know, a lot of stuff does.. I've just found what works for me and I tweak it if it seems like it's OK and don't worry about interesting and new or old proven methods. Maybe I'm all wrong Idk but if it's not broke why fix it? I mean if I made twice the gains it'd be worth it
 
Tomahawk88 said:
Plus I have been reading a lot about High Intensity Training and Arthur Jones. It will get you to question ideas that have been commonly accepted.
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I am the anti-establishment when it comes to training. My father introduced me to the gym 23 years ago and I have never looked back. I think I have done everything under the sun and to this day I switch up routines every 8-12 weeks depending on my goal at that time or just out of boredom.

To your point- now that I am going to be 40 and respond differently, I find that I really respond to HIIT and have incorporated in more and more over the last few years.
 
herderdude said:
I'm not sure I understand the question. What are you asking?
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Does it take 10 plus hours a week to attain a worthy build? Or in some extremes 20 plus hours a week. Do you feel that it would be worth it at the expense of other things in life?
 
Tomahawk88 said:
Does it take 10 plus hours a week to attain a worthy build? Or in some extremes 20 plus hours a week. Do you feel that it would be worth it at the expense of other things in life?
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I never work out more than 5-6 hours/week. I'm not Mr olympia either but get the results I want
 
Tomahawk88 said:
Does it take 10 plus hours a week to attain a worthy build? Or in some extremes 20 plus hours a week. Do you feel that it would be worth it at the expense of other things in life?
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In terms of work capacity, I was meaning the ability to handle a certain volume of physical activity. I personally probably train maybe 8hrs a week. At some point, you just have to assess your goals and decide what's best for you. I say at some point, but really it should be an ongoing process. If you're not happy with your physique/strength, train more. If you'd rather enjoy the things you already do outside of training, then there are two options: Train more efficiently, or don't bitch about the lack of results.

Note: when I say you, I'm not referring to you specifically, but instead the collective "you".
 
Efficiency and knowing your own body is the key. If I am at the gym for more than an hour, something deterred me or I didn't have a productive workout. I spend no more than 4-5 hours in the gym and get more out of it than anyone I train with or have trained. In fact when I was power lifting and training for strongman, I still never spent more than 5 hours a week in the gym.
 
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