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Using Drugs to treat Gyno

biggiesmallz said:
^^hmm.. It seems war and peace are two sides of the same coin; two poles of the same energy. The world has both, so the only rational thing seems to be to accept both, and use where appropriate. So, not war, and not peace, but total war&peace together, or neither, since one can only happen in the background of the other, so just play the game the way it is and make the most of it

Even destruction can be used creatively to make way for something new and better... evolution; balance of opposites
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Slappy244 said:
neck'uh, i'm probably just as high as you, and i still have no idea what'chu talkin' 'bout
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Not sure I myself know what I'm talking about, but this much is true for sure;

It seems war and peace are two sides of the same coin; two poles of the same energy. The world has both, so the only rational thing seems to be to accept both.

The rest I'm not too sure about, I'm missing something somewhere. To put it simply; I'm not sure I understand entirely what peace is yet
 
biggiesmallz said:
. . . To put it simply; I'm not sure I understand entirely what peace is yet
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eat psilocybin semilanceata or psilocybin cubensis and smoke some good bud, then go sit outside at sunset. the answers are there, you just need to look.
 
Slappy244 said:
eat psilocybin semilanceata or psilocybin cubensis and smoke some good bud, then go sit outside at sunset. the answers are there, you just need to look.
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Sorry brother, I spent 2.5 yrs in the army, so was trying to figure out from Dali Lama's quote/religious icon how one can achieve world peace;
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It seems war and peace are two sides of the same coin; two poles of the same energy. The world has both, so the only rational thing seems to be to accept both.
^^This is true. But, to get WORLD peace, it has to start from the individual. So, violence creates more violence, and hate creates more hate. If me and you disagree on the basis of religion (pick any one on that crest, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Taoism... basically put, if we disagree on the basis of our beliefs, and I start trying to prove to you that MY idea is right and YOUR idea is wrong, we would get in a conflict due to lack of understanding. Now, we may fight to support our beliefs, but that fighting would be useless; we would just be wasting energy, because neither of us is willing to understand the relative value in the other's belief system. Then we may hate each other, because each one thinks that THEY are right and the other is wrong, and this hatred and conflict will go on to poison our relationship in the future... The only way out of that, is for one of us to step out of the hateful circle, and drop the misunderstanding. In other words, hate breeds more hate, violence breeds more violence, and peace can only be achieved through understanding and nonviolence.

To get global peace, it has to start from the understanding of each individual. If everyone is more understanding and accepting of another's ideas, and sidesteps any potentially violent altercations with nonaction and nonviolence, the party that's violent has nothing to fight against; conflict can only exist between two OPPOSING forces. So, if one force removes the opposition, the other force has nothing to fight against. And eventually we have brotherhood, harmony, and understanding... and we can help each other grow in our own ways by setting aside our differences for the common purpose of enjoying life and living happily.

That seems to make sense.

As for your suggestion, I've partaken in those plenty in my day... it's fun temporarily, can be beneficial, just don't get attached. Too much of a good thing can be a bad thing.
 
This video may help clarify the above message;

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Now, what does that have to do with man titties and bodybuilding one might ask? EVERYTHING. I feel like I know a good amount about estrogen gyno, someone else may know about prolactin gyno, that doesn't mean that anyone is any more or less intelligent about the functions of gyno... and if a case happens, we can both benefit each other and expand our own understanding since some cases may require the treatment of both prolactin and estrogen to resolve... they're just two different expressions.

The same thing with people choosing to use AAS or strictly PHs. Some people may want to use AAS, some may want to just use PH's but that doesn't mean that either one is any more or less right; they're just two different expressions, and one can benefit the knowledge and growth of the other. The same with any form of belief or any form of conflict, some people may prefer to eat cheezeburgers on a bulk, others may prefer lean chicken breast... they each have their relative value, no need to try and prove one is right or the other is wrong... I think if the other party eats the occasional cheezeburger, and the cheezeburger party eats the occasional lean chicken breast both would benefit and both would be enriched :)
 
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Slappy244 said:
eat psilocybin semilanceata or psilocybin cubensis and smoke some good bud, then go sit outside at sunset. the answers are there, you just need to look.
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ok, skip the weed. they can't test for mushies. shrooms are food for the soul.
 
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tinytony said:
SD is known to do this. Testosterone tends to raise dopamine levels along with every other positive hormone. It can aromatize but if it boosts dopamine it's very difficult for testosterone to cause this. If you have prolactin gyno it's probably due to something being screwed up with thyroid.
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Some prescription meds cause higher prolactin as well like SSRI's
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
Only slightly elevated along cortisol. So yeah a cortisol inhibitor and something mild for prolactin. Like b6 as u stated or like inhibit-p
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Am I the only one who doesn't believe otc prolactin inhibitors or reducers work well enough to be ran with a serious cycle?
 
pyrobatt said:
Am I the only one who doesn't believe otc prolactin inhibitors or reducers work well enough to be ran with a serious cycle?
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i don't consider ghrp2 to be all that serious.

i'd laugh my ass off at anyone who would elect to use b6 over rx inhibitors for a tren blast.
 
Slappy244 said:
i don't consider ghrp2 to be all that serious.

i'd laugh my ass off at anyone who would elect to use b6 over rx inhibitors for a tren blast.
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"OH MY GAWD WHY I HAS TITTIES" I took plenty of b6 with my tren,and trenazone cycle!


Getting tired of seeing things like that...
 
pyrobatt said:
"OH MY GAWD WHY I HAS TITTIES" I took plenty of b6 with my tren,and trenazone cycle!


Getting tired of seeing things like that...
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i think that's kinda funny honestly. almost as good as the people who ask for advice only to get affirmation that their retarded idea is a good one, then get piss when they catch flames.
 
Slappy244 said:
i think that's kinda funny honestly. almost as good as the people who ask for advice only to get affirmation that their retarded idea is a good one, then get piss when they catch flames.
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My fav is "hi im 130 lbs been training for a good 6 months and stopped seeing results! Im 19 y/o and I was thinking of trying halodrol! Tribulus and ecdysterones are my pct. What you think?"

....seriously. google and research everything you put in your body people! Especally when its fitness related!
 
pyrobatt said:
My fav is "hi im 130 lbs been training for a good 6 months and stopped seeing results! Im 19 y/o and I was thinking of trying halodrol! Tribulus and ecdysterones are my pct. What you think?"

....seriously. google and research everything you put in your body people! Especally when its fitness related!
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Lol that's when we flame the living sh*t outta them.
 
pyrobatt said:
My fav is "hi im 130 lbs been training for a good 6 months and stopped seeing results! Im 19 y/o and I was thinking of trying halodrol! Tribulus and ecdysterones are my pct. What you think?"

....seriously. google and research everything you put in your body people! Especally when its fitness related!
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Lol this is getting more and more common the last few months along with a lot of "my buddy is thinking of doing this" threads. I can't ever decide whether or not to believe those.
 
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Also;

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And some more motivation to fire this bitch up full blast

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Austinite said:
There are 2 major components involved in recovery. Testosterone production and Spermatogenesis.

LH and FSH are both required for the equation. LH is produced by the pituitary and stimulates the Leydig cells to produce testosterone. Once testosterone is in production it works alongside FSH and stimulates sertoli cells to produce sperm. Sperm production is hindered if either of these are unhealthy. They both work in synergy. You need BOTH to be at healthy levels.

clomid has multiple effects. It's an anti-estrogen, so it obviously decreases the estrogenic effects in your body by stimulating the Hypothalamus back to life and sending gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) to your pituitary, so that LH/FSH can be secreted.

Nolva boosts the effects of clomid because it put clomid into "competition" mode where they both fight for a receptors to bind to. This competitiveness will only occur with the presence of BOTH nolva/clomid, and will inevitably resolve the issue of excess estrogen in the Hypothalamus. This will trigger both LH and FSH to crank UP, as the high estrogen in this cluster is suppressive. This entire scenario is not as effective with only one drug.

Furthermore varying the compounds; Since we know both stimulate LH, what most don't know is that the act is different. clomid boosts the amplitude of LH serum, but has no effect on the frequency. Nolvadex is the complete opposite in that area, where it boosts the actual frequency of LH and has no effect on its amplitude.

You're probably assuming they're identical and overpowering... clomid is a mixed agonist/antagonist for the estradiol receptor. Nolva is also mixed, however.... it is a pure antagonist in the E receptor in breast tissue. There is a reason that clomid is not recommended for gynecomastia reversal, but Nolva is.

Can you recover with just Nolvadex, or just clomid? Well, anything is possible. But why would you take that risk if the combination gives you a much better chance? To save a few bucks and risk your health? clomid when coupled with Nolvadex is clearly the safer choice over using either compound individually.
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HCG Myth Debunked

Austinite said:
There are 2 ways that could potentially desensitize Leydig Cells:

1. Prolonged LH deprivation: When you inject steroids, your LH production is halted at the pituitary, remember? So if you continue in a suppressed state for weeks upon weeks, your Leydig Cells could potentially become unresponsive, or desensitized. It is possible to reverse desensitization of the cells, but that has been proven to be quite a difficult task. So when you use hCG on cycle, the mimicked LH analog will maintain stimulation of Leydig cells so that you don't run the risk of rendering them useless. This level of maintenance will ensure a much healthier and speedy recovery and one of the most important reasons to use hCG on cycle.

2. Over stimulation/supplying of Leydig cells: There is no reason to use more than 500 IU of hCG at one time. And certainly not a good idea to run even that dose on a daily basis. You do not have an unlimited-ever-flowing-supply of Leydig cells. There is only so much stimulation hCG can do. What happens when you dose hCG really high, is that you're increasing intra-testicular estrogen. So you're thinking that you could use an aromatase inhibitor in that case, right? Nope. AI's are not effective treatment for intra-testicular e2. Furthermore; high doses is a surefire way to desensitize Leydig Cells. So we have a double whammy here. And this is just another reason to use hCG on cycle, and not "blast" hCG post cycle leading up to and/or during PCT.

For the sake of preventing another debate, Rich Piana is clueless.
biggiesmallz said:
Now, I understand the proper usage of HCG on-cycle... generally advised at 250iu bi-weekly, sometimes at 500iu bi-weekly, but from the source I came across they referenced a study that basically said there's marginal benefit from HCG when pinning 250 vs 500 bi-weekly, so with that understanding I don't see the need to pin more than 250. That said, is there some limited duration to which HCG should be used on-cycle?

I also heard conflicting information on long-term HCG use can possibly desensitize lydig cells to natural LH response. Any truth to that?
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There's only so many cells to stimulate, and the doses of 1500 weekly max, spread over 3 or more doses is sufficient enough. If long term therapy was dangerous at those doses, it would mean that our very own production would desensitize cells, doesnt make sense, does it? 250 IU is not necessarily the magic number. Your goal should be to use the least amount of hCG that works for you. Recently, discussing my concerns with the lead urologist in (some magical place out there somewhere), we came to conclude that for me, as a TRT patient, my usual dose of 250 twice weekly is excessive. So we are planning on reducing the dose to 100 IU, 3 times weekly. Note that this urologist is not my doctor, but a friend and partner in a clinical trial.

Blasting hCG is unhealthy, and the increase in intratesticular E2, which cannot be managed with the commonly readily available aromatase inhibitors, is damaging.
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Also, HCG is generally started 4th week into a cycle, and ran till about 3 days prior to PCT. HCG is suppressive to natural LH production, since it mimics LH, so PCT and natural recovery doesn't start untill you're off HCG.

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Also useful tid-bit of info regarding sexual fluids;
in reference to male/female sexuality, look into this:

OM-CHI Herbs - EPISANDRA Enhanced Stamina and Sexual Drive
Episandra compound is a proprietary blend of Chinese herbal extracts shown to have strong aphrodisiac properties and to improve general health. The herbs in this compound have all been used for centuries for these purposes in China, with excellent results.

This product can be used by both men and women with no undesirable side effects and is safe for all people.

Active Ingredients:
Epimedium sagittatum: "Epimedii is a very powerful yang (male) tonic herb. It’s power ranks almost with the animal yang tonics…It’s name can be translated as "the herb for the man who likes sex too much, like a goat" or "passionate goat weed"…This is what Epimedii is famous for. Women, too, take this herb to increase their sexual drive…

Schisandra is said to increase circulation in and sensitivity of the female genitals. Many women claim increased genital warmth and sensation after using Schisandra for a period of time "…for both men and women, Schisandra is considered to have aphrodisiac qualtities…it tends to contain sexual fluids until the appropriate time for their release. Thus, consuming Schisandra for a period of time, one tends to build up sexual fluids."
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I am careful brother, I'm so full of care that I wanted to share quality products from a very respectable company to add to the list, variety is the spice of life... meant no harm, just spreading resources; happy cycling for everyone :)

They're also not a stranger to this board, and I see plenty of ads for all kinds of RCs
 
biggiesmallz said:
I am careful brother, I'm so full of care that I wanted to share quality products from a very respectable company to add to the list, variety is the spice of life... meant no harm, just spreading resources; happy cycling for everyone :)

They're also not a stranger to this board, and I see plenty of ads for all kinds of RCs
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Sponsored rc companies=okay. Non sponsored = nokay
 
biggiesmallz said:
I'm still running the same cycle I was running that caused the lump, and since I treated it a month ago, I haven't had the need to use an AI, nor had I had to buy more letro, nor had any more lumps grown from it. Truth be told tho I did lower the dosage (test/EQ) a little for the treatment, and haven't picked it back up since then.

Soo make of that what you will, but I'm having no issues whatsoever
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still no lump by the way
 
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