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Low dose Epi

alwaysfirst

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Might be a silly question but what's the lowest amount of Epi that would give results?

I'm on TRT, 150mg a week, and just want add some quality muscle and not gain too much weight, my goal is to stay the same weigh (good diet of cause) and add muscle.

What's your guys experience with Epi?

Thanks for helping!
 
Depends what forum you are on. On PHF 30 is a "low dose."

You will see results from 20-30mg epi, unless you are lke 250+ lbs lol
 
warbird01 said:
Depends what forum you are on. On PHF 30 is a "low dose."

You will see results from 20-30mg epi, unless you are lke 250+ lbs lol
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Cool, I guess I just have to try it out. I'm just scared I'll "blow up" and won't get the weight off... (5-10lb will be blown up to me :P)
 
alwaysfirst said:
Might be a silly question but what's the lowest amount of Epi that would give results?

I'm on TRT, 150mg a week, and just want add some quality muscle and not gain too much weight, my goal is to stay the same weigh (good diet of cause) and add muscle.

What's your guys experience with Epi?

Thanks for helping!
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Are you going to pulse?
 
Diet predicts how much your going to gain. Not drugs, take 30-40mg and keep your diet around. 300 calories over matentince
 
Rhadam said:
A low dose of EPI will do almost nothing for you in the presence of TRT. Even 150mg a week of TRT.
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This doesn't make sense to me. TRT d9se if test is supposed to be same or a little higher than normal serum test levels. There is no reason Epi wouldn't do him some good at 30-40mg. TRT is simply bringing test up to what is decent. It is the male hormone so he will react to Epi as well as if he had those levels of testosterone naturally.
 
I believe in higher dosages of PH /DS while on trt ....you would figure higher dosages would hold up better against the higher test levels. Seems like a waste to low dose it.
 
My 2 cents: I don't see results with epi at less than 40mg for 6 solid weeks. For my next cycle I'm going to try epi at 60+ and see if dermacrine can ward off lethargy
 
rphash49 said:
My 2 cents: I don't see results with epi at less than 40mg for 6 solid weeks. For my next cycle I'm going to try epi at 60+ and see if dermacrine can ward off lethargy
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I just did 75mg for 7 weeks :D it was lovely other than the lethargy that would come and go...and when it came it hit hard...and some bp issues so i bumped up my lisinopril.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I just did 75mg for 7 weeks :D it was lovely other than the lethargy that would come and go...and when it came it hit hard...and some bp issues so i bumped up my lisinopril.
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How was week 7? Hmmm I might need one more bottle Damn!!! I'm really hopping the derma will help. Stano doesn't seem to work for me anymore at least it hasn't my last couple cycles
 
alwaysfirst said:
lol, me too! So you saying you don't see any of that unless it's over 40?!
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40mg at 6 weeks has been the sweet spot for me to avoid lethargy and max gains. Diet is key like always. I used epi stacked for a semi bulk and only added 4-5 lean pounds.
 
rphash49 said:
How was week 7? Hmmm I might need one more bottle Damn!!! I'm really hopping the derma will help. Stano doesn't seem to work for me anymore at least it hasn't my last couple cycles
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Not gonna lie...week 6 was good but week 7+ was the best week no doubt. Scary that the later weeks are so much better.....
 
tinytony said:
So what for gains did you get on 75 of Epi?
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I recomped for awesomeness lol. i put on a few lbs....but i put on 5-6 lbs weeks 6-7 1/2 ....not sure what that was about. but it will probably disappear on the cutter im jumping right into
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I recomped for awesomeness lol. i put on a few lbs....but i put on 5-6 lbs weeks 6-7 1/2 ....not sure what that was about. but it will probably disappear on the cutter im jumping right into
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I've never ran it over 40 exept during a frontload. 40 blew me up fast. Cant imagine 70 lol. Was it still dry feeling gains?
 
tinytony said:
I've never ran it over 40 exept during a frontload. 40 blew me up fast. Cant imagine 70 lol. Was it still dry feeling gains?
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It did seem the higher I went, the less dry it was.....esp in the final 3 weeks. But maybe it was because I let loose a bit on diet and I was on 12 pumps of androgel with only 3 pumps formeron to combat estrogen (might not have been adequate....def not adequate).
 
AnabolicHolic said:
It did seem the higher I went, the less dry it was.....esp in the final 3 weeks. But maybe it was because I let loose a bit on diet and I was on 12 pumps of androgel with only 3 pumps formeron to combat estrogen (might not have been adequate....def not adequate).
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So formeron is strong enough you think for something OTC? How much would I need to keep0 estrogen in check for Test E at 600 a week?
 
tinytony said:
So formeron is strong enough you think for something OTC? How much would I need to keep0 estrogen in check for Test E at 600 a week?
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oh hell naw! lol...I wouldn't recommend it for anything non-OTC you are running. I was using quite a bit of forma stanzol and my estradiol only dropped about 5-6 points over 1 month...not that great if you ask me. I'm gonna use some aromasin from the peptide co I use since I know the peptides are for real and legit....see what 25mg EOD does for me....
 
Epi isn't very strong stuff to begin with. Just use the standard 40mg a day and regulate your diet. There's no water retention so you will strictly gain weight dependent on how great your caloric surplus is. Epi is generally used for cutting anyway so "blowing up" isn't a very realistic concern.
 
to the op, have u started by any chance? im on 150mg trt as well and will do epi-v by vital labs. prolly gonna do 30/40/50/50
 
pizzadrol said:
Epi isn't very strong stuff to begin with. Just use the standard 40mg a day and regulate your diet. There's no water retention so you will strictly gain weight dependent on how great your caloric surplus is. Epi is generally used for cutting anyway so "blowing up" isn't a very realistic concern.
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I totally agree....I'd never "bulk" lean or not on epi. strictly for recomp (or cut....but for cut I'd rather use OTC stuff). This is part of the reason I feel higher dosages with test/TRT are required....since it isn't particularly strong stuff, so standing up to the test might require high dosing and maybe more long term cycling (like maybe 8 weeks if you can handle it???). Just my thoughts on it.....
 
Aside from hepatoxicity I don't see any harm in running it for eight weeks as long as blood work is paid attention to. I know countless people who have run it for six weeks of straight smooth sailing.

I had low expectations going into it myself but I made some surprisingly good strength gains, though. Nothing over the top but I myself and most users are generally pleased in that regard especially given the lack of sides.
 
pizzadrol said:
Aside from hepatoxicity I don't see any harm in running it for eight weeks as long as blood work is paid attention to. I know countless people who have run it for six weeks of straight smooth sailing.

I had low expectations going into it myself but I made some surprisingly good strength gains, though. Nothing over the top but I myself and most users are generally pleased in that regard especially given the lack of sides.
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From here on out, since I'm on TRT, I'm gonna run the mecha and epi and all that stuff for more like an 8 week cycle....as if you were running deca or whatever...I don't know about being able to handle the various sides for say 10-12 weeks, but 8 weeks I can handle. I don't see why you couldn't run some of this stuff like mecha or hdrol for 10-12 weeks though alongside TRT....like you said, maybe get some labs at the midpoint to be sure you are OK, and be sure to take PLENTY of time off between these long oral/methyl cycles....
 
AnabolicHolic said:
From here on out, since I'm on TRT, I'm gonna run the mecha and epi and all that stuff for more like an 8 week cycle....as if you were running deca or whatever...I don't know about being able to handle the various sides for say 10-12 weeks, but 8 weeks I can handle. I don't see why you couldn't run some of this stuff like mecha or hdrol for 10-12 weeks though alongside TRT....like you said, maybe get some labs at the midpoint to be sure you are OK, and be sure to take PLENTY of time off between these long oral/methyl cycles....
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Can you briefly summarize why you have decided to run Epi and Mecha, and what you expect from this combination , and what you expect this combination will help avoid (vs other options)?

I'd like to benefit from your research and knowledge.
 
Beau said:
Can you briefly summarize why you have decided to run Epi and Mecha, and what you expect from this combination , and what you expect this combination will help avoid (vs other options)?

I'd like to benefit from your research and knowledge.
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I run them solo individually (actually with trt but...)....not together. those were just examples of PH/DS that I have been known to favor. Next will probably be hdrol actually....75mg X 8 weeks using my newly found methods :D. Should use the entire bottle, and the run will be extended past the usual 4-6 weeks.
 
So I decided that I'll do 4 weeks of 30mg Epi and see where that takes me.
I found 18 caps of 25mg Halo, can I use them also somewhere in this cycle or just save them?
 
I wouldn't bother with less than 40mg for six weeks. Anything less seems like a waste of money especially since Epi doesn't get kicking until around week three so it doesn't make sense to stop it right when it gets going.

And 18 caps of Hdrol isn't enough to actually do anything. A double methyl cycle generally isn't advised so I wouldn't really suggest buying more but 25mg a day for 18 days or 50mg for 9 days wouldn't yield any noticeable results.
 
Nope. Halodrol also doesn't really get kicking until week three. Taking 18 caps will not do a single thing regardless of when or how you dose it. I would never bother running either compound for less than six weeks.
 
alwaysfirst said:
So I decided that I'll do 4 weeks of 30mg Epi and see where that takes me.
I found 18 caps of 25mg Halo, can I use them also somewhere in this cycle or just save them?
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I believe you just had the two worst ideas ever, and then combined them :D
 
Ha he's just messing with you. I highly rec 40mg since Epi is pretty mild to begin with and def get the full 6 weeks. Some do 8 since it's not incredibly harsh on their liver as long as they can tolerate the lethargy though there are a number of things that can help combat that if it's really bugging you.
 
alwaysfirst said:
What's wrong with 4 weeks of 30mg Epi? I just had a question about the Halo, never said I will use it?!
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Well its 2 weeks duration too short (as mentioned already) and whats worse its somewhat underdosed...which wouldn't be that big of a deal really if you ran it at 6 weeks or so....and the halo def needs to be run way higher and for longer duration than what you have to work with. Its kind of like you got a half bottle of this and that laying around and you were just gonna run it for a month at ineffective dosages.
 
30mg of celtic epi didnt do much for me a couple of months ago whereas 30mg of havoc 6 years ago blew me up fast.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
Well its 2 weeks duration too short (as mentioned already) and whats worse its somewhat underdosed...which wouldn't be that big of a deal really if you ran it at 6 weeks or so....and the halo def needs to be run way higher and for longer duration than what you have to work with. Its kind of like you got a half bottle of this and that laying around and you were just gonna run it for a month at ineffective dosages.
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Ok, would 5 weeks of Halo at 75mg make you more happy?
 
I like it when people come on here with random ideas that make no sense to normal people, you proceed to tell them no that is wrong, and they get an "altitude" with you.
 
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