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Snags gets ginormous with lean clean off-season dream bulk

Hyde said:
I'm excited to see where the diet goes for PCT, as well as supplementation....
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wasme said:
^^^ This...
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yeah i'm pretty excited for the next phase too, should be very productive
(in a time that most think cannot be productive)

sdunlimited said:
So late to this - lots of catching up to do now!

Looking forward to the transitioning to more potent items and the results they provide
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there he is - welcome on man :)
yeah still playing with orals right now, have not graduated to the big boy stuff yet

TheSaiyan said:
Pct is for quitters
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edje007 said:
Lol.....

And if you like your nuts....
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indeed ed
not looking to be on cycle for life there, saiyan :no:


okay ready to rock another training session out today shortly, will be expanding my back this day
cals yesterday 5825, 785/395/131
it seems when I throw the extra fat in there (not much but proportionately ~20% yesterday) I get some good body comp results the following morning..hmmmm)

goal today is 7k cals, exceedng 1000g carbs (prolly not exceeding by much LOL!)
 
Wow, all that weight and still looking ****en awesome. If I ever become rich and famous, will you make me snagalicious meals?
 
Have you been eating or something? Big gains right there and still super tight with little to no spill over. Awesome awesome.
 
That's a solid 214 if ever I saw one....Epi's taken care of you man. I enjoyed it my very first run a lot. Just felt harder. Don't misunderstand that, pervs.
 
iparatroop said:
God damn you're thick.
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1ifeblood said:
Mmmm Hmmmm!
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yes, yes I am
thick and juicy, like a fat luscious steak..

speaking of steak: so you guys may notice mr-red-meat-ftw snags has done very little (almost no) red meat during this bulk so far..
that is intentional; I usually am eating red meat 2-3x daily, but in an effort to keep the fat ratio down I have been utilizing mostly turkey breast/chicken breast/tuna thruout
that will change come pct, a small preview of what is to come:
some of you guys have heard me talk about the old saying "3 steaks + 3 shakes will get you swole" ...
that in essence is what pct will look like, lots of steak/lean cuts of beef, black beans and rice for carbs, and 3 shakes daily interspersed between meals

cals will be taken down to more workable levels, ~5000, still pushing enough should provide some growth with the new fat intake in play, and actually harden me up a bit too..carbs will still be in the 550-575 range, so it's not like I'll be totally cutting or anything

speaking of cals: yesterday was almost 7200 worth (7195), carbs were at 1065 -- feel pretty swole here this morning but weight STILL at 214 upon rising :grumble:

next week is my last full week of being in my house before the move, and since I have my boy tonight and couple of VS demos scheduled for next SAT, my free time to be able to post is becoming compromised; will update as I am able, but rest assured just because I may not be updated, does not mean I have fallen wayward from the plan....not gonna happen ;)

speaking of my demos:
so on the 12th, any of you guys in South Bend or Mishawawka area that would like to meet me, come out to your local Vitamin Shoppe between 3-6p, would love to shoot the stuff and chat a bit ... same thing for you Chicago-area guys, if you are close to Merrillville IN come on over and see me from 11a-2p at the VS on hwy 30!
will have some samples to hand out, and just general good conversation to dispense :)
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
yes, yes I am
thick and juicy, like a fat luscious steak..

speaking of steak: so you guys may notice mr-red-meat-ftw snags has done very little (almost no) red meat during this bulk so far..
that is intentional; I usually am eating red meat 2-3x daily, but in an effort to keep the fat ratio down I have been utilizing mostly turkey breast/chicken breast/tuna thruout
that will change come pct, a small preview of what is to come:
some of you guys have heard me talk about the old saying "3 steaks + 3 shakes will get you swole" ...
that in essence is what pct will look like, lots of steak/lean cuts of beef, black beans and rice for carbs, and 3 shakes daily interspersed between meals

cals will be taken down to more workable levels, ~5000, still pushing enough should provide some growth with the new fat intake in play, and actually harden me up a bit too..carbs will still be in the 550-575 range, so it's not like I'll be totally cutting or anything

speaking of cals: yesterday was almost 7200 worth (7195), carbs were at 1065 -- feel pretty swole here this morning but weight STILL at 214 upon rising :grumble:

next week is my last full week of being in my house before the move, and since I have my boy tonight and couple of VS demos scheduled for next SAT, my free time to be able to post is becoming compromised; will update as I am able, but rest assured just because I may not be updated, does not mean I have fallen wayward from the plan....not gonna happen ;)

speaking of my demos:
so on the 12th, any of you guys in South Bend or Mishawawka area that would like to meet me, come out to your local Vitamin Shoppe between 3-6p, would love to shoot the stuff and chat a bit ... same thing for you Chicago-area guys, if you are close to Merrillville IN come on over and see me from 11a-2p at the VS on hwy 30!
will have some samples to hand out, and just general good conversation to dispense :)
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Any chance you'll be coming to iowa? :-D
 
1ifeblood said:
Any chance you'll be coming to iowa? :-D
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lulzz that's a little out of my territory :lol:

Hyde: btw, thought I would let you know, I have gone back to crushing my rice cakes and adding that + brown rice syrup to shake
as long as I don't add the ice in there, works out just fine, no mess & no sticky globs..
since I added another rice cake+TBS syrup, figured I better go back to this route; also seemed to alleviate the insanely full feeling I was getting after postWO meal, was still full but not nearly on level as I had been (ie uncomfortably full)
 
I find the same to be true blending oats vs eating them. Massive difference in fullness.

Wish I was closer man - I'd make you show the wheels off in the store lol
 
Hyde said:
Wish I was closer man - I'd make you show the wheels off in the store lol
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I been known to do some flexing in the stores man :D

wasme said:
Was just thinking you should personally bring Finaflex to Canada ... :beerchug:
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sure - if I had my way, I would just get on the FINAFLEX tour bus and cruise around the country, meeting ppl and passing out samples along the way... somehow I do not think that is in the company plans however




well we got weight moving again, was 215 yesterday morn and 216 this morning :arms:
just in time to finish up strong, today is last day of cycle..using this as a transition-day on dietary maneuvers, dropping to 6k cals before I start the new plan tomorrow and commence with 5k .. big juicy steak in my fridge for tomorrow is calling my name, I can hear it right now .............

chesticles will be smashed appropriately here in a few -- stiffness or immobility be damned ;)
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
I been known to do some flexing in the stores man :D

sure - if I had my way, I would just get on the FINAFLEX tour bus and cruise around the country, meeting ppl and passing out samples along the way... somehow I do not think that is in the company plans however

well we got weight moving again, was 215 yesterday morn and 216 this morning :arms:
just in time to finish up strong, today is last day of cycle..using this as a transition-day on dietary maneuvers, dropping to 6k cals before I start the new plan tomorrow and commence with 5k .. big juicy steak in my fridge for tomorrow is calling my name, I can hear it right now .............

chesticles will be smashed appropriately here in a few -- stiffness or immobility be damned ;)
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5k? Are you sure?.....you'll be starving:)
 
Very interested to see how much of this weight is gonna stick around for good. You've put on so much in such a short period of time with what appears to be minimal spillover. I bet you're gonna be starving once you start tapering the food off.
 
iparatroop said:
Very interested to see how much of this weight is gonna stick around for good. You've put on so much in such a short period of time with what appears to be minimal spillover. I bet you're gonna be starving once you start tapering the food off.
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I have hopes to retain the vast majority if not all of gains...will be focusing on different muscle fiber activity in PCT, but I think mass is here to stay - is an advantage to being older

as for starving: I really don't think so, but we'll see
telling you man, everything over ~6k cals has been WORK! it's like a full-time job in itself, eating that much
 
postWO from today
you can see a smidge of unattractive skinfold around the lower chest area, but other than that weight has been added and dispersed fairly well..i am pretty well pleased with the results of this undertaking

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more bonus pics, since it is last day on-cycle

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let's see where I can take this thing from here
 
Epi keeps you so dry, & doesn't particularly promote glycogen retention the way mbol or the dimethyls seem to - I'd say there's a very strong chance you're going to more or less keep everything you see. Doesn't hurt that the diet is so precise!

Looking big & lean at the end of this cycle, Snags. Well done :head:
 
Montego1 said:
Super duper
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pooper trooper? :think:

The Solution said:
Living in Pitt now?
Going to the NPC Natural PA this upcoming weekend at Carnegie?
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nah not living in PA, still in Indiana
no national level shows in my area, gotta travel somewhere









quick overview of PCT:
you already saw the dietary maneuvers, if you were to view this as a % split would look like 45/30/25 c/p/f
so, over 5k cals, will be ~550-575g carbs, 375g protein, 140g fat
it is my firm belief that one should up the fat intake in PCT, since of course cholesterol is what testosterone is synthesized from and we're trying to get normalized production back in place..also will have resveratrol in play

as for the training, have touched on this a little bit but in essence will be more volume but less intensity, quicker pace, reps in 12-20+ range, different exercises overall

endocrine equalizers will be clomid+torem..
also will be running low-dose osta + endurobol / AICAR combination
(actually started the osta/endurobol/aicar last night)

for OTC supps, we got REV PCT, PureTest, and Tropinol, as well as your standard libido-boosting xyz no-name product



the fridge is stocked, we are ready to roll
 
Been silently lurking....nice work as always snags. PCT set up looks awesome.

You've got me excited for my bulk after my show in 5 weeks. I was contemplating using a template similar to yours, after following this log, makes me feel more comfortable using it. I won't be such a carb whore you were, but close ;-)
 
Distilled Water said:
Been silently lurking....nice work as always snags. PCT set up looks awesome.

You've got me excited for my bulk after my show in 5 weeks. I was contemplating using a template similar to yours, after following this log, makes me feel more comfortable using it. I won't be such a carb whore you were, but close ;-)
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cool man, glad I could inspire
carb whore - LOL...yeah, guess I was there for a minute huh..was fun for a short time, but then it just got unwieldy
I think for the long-term, 800-900g would be sufficient, and I would def incorporate more of a rotation with hi/low days, also get cals down a bit -- anything approaching 7k is just too much! was a nice first-run experience tho, learning as always


and WOW - I know my metabolism is superb, but sometimes I still tend to underestimate myself
so after one day of lowered cals (~5800) and carbs (~850g) I awoke this morning not only looking noticeably visibly tighter and solid, but I was also down a pound .... crazy
may have to play with my planned totals and adjust -- 5k may be a smidge too low
 
Such an amazing addition of mass in such a short period of time!

Curious to get your thoughts on a few items:

- how much of the gains (percentage-wise) would you attribute to the PH's? I've never used so I have no concept as to how potent/effective they may be
- how much of the gains would you attribute to your diet? 5k+ clean calories with your metabolism is really something awesome to see!
- any guess at an approximate current body fat percentage?
- what weight are you going to try and compete at next year with the same conditioning you recently had?


As always, I and I'm sure everyone else here appreciates the time and details you share with all. There's more knowledge in this log than there is at entire websites dedicated to training and nutrition!
 
you are such a PC-friendly guy, sd :D

sdunlimited said:
Such an amazing addition of mass in such a short period of time!
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gracias amigo :bandit:

Curious to get your thoughts on a few items:

- how much of the gains (percentage-wise) would you attribute to the PH's? I've never used so I have no concept as to how potent/effective they may be
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well I certainly have to credit my choices of orals here, no doubt about it...tough to put a finite quantifiable amount on it, as much goes into the other parameters one is incorporating along with the hormonals ie, diet/training parameters (intensity and execution)/state of natural hormone production/amount of hormones being ingested/age/experience etc etc -- but make no mistake, they have certainly helped me accomplish my goals, and stay fairly dry in the process, but certainly not as much as injectable steroids would
seeing as how I never ran this kind of caloric excess as a natural athlete, I really have no frame of reference that I can share with you
how much of the gains would you attribute to your diet? 5k+ clean calories with your metabolism is really something awesome to see!
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ahh but HERE, I can be a little more quantifiable in my answer
short answer: a SH1TLOAD is attributable to my dietary course of action, believe that
the saying "diet is everything" is so basic, yet sooo true....I really wish more ppl would get a clue on this, they would be so much more happy with their progress/goals
any guess at an approximate current body fat percentage?
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hmmm more than I would like to be :p
but understand - I enjoy sitting around 6-7% usually, 8% tops
and it's really hard to tell right now, as there was most definitely a significant amount of bloat from all the cals I was mauling -- has already gone done ridiculous amount, just at end of day #2 of reduction in cals here
what weight are you going to try and compete at next year with the same conditioning you recently had?
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no-brainer that I will be light-heavy at the lightest -- really had no business trying to squeeze down to middle last show
in a perfect world, would like to be heavyweight, but would face same problem as this last time I imagine if I did make it there (ie at bottom of weight class, upper 190s in a division that starts at 196.25)
in this show, being lightest in class can be troublesome, don't know that I want to chance that

As always, I and I'm sure everyone else here appreciates the time and details you share with all. There's more knowledge in this log than there is at entire websites dedicated to training and nutrition!
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thanks so much for that, is pleasure to share, hopefully someone can take something from my travails and make it useful for themselves
that's what this sport (and this forum) is supposed to be all about :)
 
Endurobol/alcar combo sounds very intriguing (& a tad frightening, based on the smidge I've read) - what kind of dosing are you using? I've really no idea what they are run at, & also wondered if bodybuilders run different amounts/timing than say endurance cyclists & olympic athletes.
 
Hyde said:
Endurobol/alcar combo sounds very intriguing (& a tad frightening, based on the smidge I've read)
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can't believe everything you read ;)
is not something I would advise for others, just for gp sake...
as a personal choice however, it is my decision to make for myself
what kind of dosing are you using?
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osta @25, endurobol @10, aicar @10
I've really no idea what they are run at, & also wondered if bodybuilders run different amounts/timing than say endurance cyclists & olympic athletes.
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I have no idea what cyclists or oly athletes run this at, my dose is not based off their feedback
 
I like the mentality snags, always motivates me. You blew up so fast and flew right passed my weight o.o! I'm on 1-alpha right now and done with 1-andro. Went from 201 to 208 and actually look leaner AND bigger. Very happy with one of my first ph runs =] keep killin it, I'm trying to follow your motha****in' lead!
 
good deal irish! if I motivate, you may as well keep coming back here for a fix cuz ain't nothing gonna change in '14!
tunnel vision on this mission...


mmmm just had a shake, this thing was delicious
1 scoop graham cracker muscle milk
1 scoop vanilla whey concentrate
100g banana
2 TBS almond butter
1c almond milk + 1c water

:yup:


in other news:
once I finish this rotation of training this week and get the move done next Tuesday, after a day or two off i'm switching to a full-body higher-rep plan, something different thruout duration of PCT
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
good deal irish! if I motivate, you may as well keep coming back here for a fix cuz ain't nothing gonna change in '14!
tunnel vision on this mission...


mmmm just had a shake, this thing was delicious
1 scoop graham cracker muscle milk
1 scoop vanilla whey concentrate
100g banana
2 TBS almond butter
1c almond milk + 1c water

:yup:


in other news:
once I finish this rotation of training this week and get the move done next Tuesday, after a day or two off i'm switching to a full-body higher-rep plan, something different thruout duration of PCT
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Shake sounds delicious for sure.. I can only reiterate what others say about the motivation and knowledge I pick up from this and your previous logs.. Interested in seeing how your PCT as well a your 'full body / high rep plan' unfolds..

Good luck with the move.
 
thanks simon - so far so good on the PCT

a little randomness tho: (if you get queasy easy, then pass on by this paragraph)
so after having pretty soft stools all thru my cal/carb bigness, the switch in macros has done a number on this aspect - esp this morning..i have been letting loose with some serious logs man, sheesh -- not painful, but slightly uncomfortable, solid and big ... interesting

other randomness:
freakin Atlanta braves disappear in the postseason AGAIN, unreal...not real sure about this Freddie gonzalez guy they got managing, just not real impressed with his maneuvers - still, the players play the game, not the manager..

tigers in same boat, if they do not win today...Oakland scared me coming in, but I figured Detroit would still pull it out
they still may, but I could do without all the high drama of having to make a comeback..

and Halle Berry had a kid the other day -- at age 47
whooa


enjoy your day gents
 
Real quick, what's the goal/reasoning behind switching to full body? I see that it coincides with with an overall decrease in cals, which would almost lead me to assume that you're gonna try to cut (if there is any) any unnecessary weight you may have put on (maybe to assess how this adventure did you?). Either way, looking forward to see where things go from here. Full body sucks. That is all.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
a little randomness tho: (if you get queasy easy, then pass on by this paragraph)
so after having pretty soft stools all thru my cal/carb bigness, the switch in macros has done a number on this aspect - esp this morning..i have been letting loose with some serious logs man, sheesh -- not painful, but slightly uncomfortable, solid and big ... interesting
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Reduce fibre intake causing this? Or perhaps closer protein/carb balance? I would think increasing fats would make things softer than 'loggier'...
 
iparatroop said:
Real quick, what's the goal/reasoning behind switching to full body? I see that it coincides with with an overall decrease in cals, which would almost lead me to assume that you're gonna try to cut (if there is any) any unnecessary weight you may have put on (maybe to assess how this adventure did you?). Either way, looking forward to see where things go from here. Full body sucks. That is all.
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unnecessary weight should be eliminated with reduction in cals alone -- will not be increasing overall caloric expenditure...cleaning things up is the plan, but understand this is far different course than cutting - which is NOT the goal at this time
other than that, full-body just for something different, and to reduce training frequency to 3x weekly as I solidify gains made to this point

wasme said:
Reduce fibre intake causing this? Or perhaps closer protein/carb balance? I would think increasing fats would make things softer than 'loggier'...
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hard telling (no pun intended) :D
my main carb source has been rice by far, so maybe reduction there has some impact..also, fat increase so far has been butter sourced, specifically almond butter, and I would assume this would actually harden poo not soften ie make thicker
 
More fat usually means more runny stool. It's basically oil so what happens when you get oil on something? It gets slick. I reduced my fat intake when my gi issue was I'm full bore and it did help some with loose stools. The decrease in fiber intake probably has most to do with it.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
unnecessary weight should be eliminated with reduction in cals alone -- will not be increasing overall caloric expenditure...cleaning things up is the plan, but understand this is far different course than cutting - which is NOT the goal at this time other than that, full-body just for something different, and to reduce training frequency to 3x weekly as I solidify gains made to this point
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Got it. I didn't mean a full blown cut, probably could have found a better word for that. Good luck with full body. It's painful, but a good kind of painful.
 
Montego1 said:
More fat usually means more runny stool. It's basically oil so what happens when you get oil on something? It gets slick. I reduced my fat intake when my gi issue was I'm full bore and it did help some with loose stools. The decrease in fiber intake probably has most to do with it.
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agree - but almond butter pretty sticky & thick?
I dunno, seems opposite of logical but makes sense to me in a way :shrug:

iparatroop said:
Got it. I didn't mean a full blown cut, probably could have found a better word for that. Good luck with full body. It's painful, but a good kind of painful.
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not an overall fan of regular full body, surely...good to switch things up tho
constant change....
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
agree - but almond butter pretty sticky & thick?
I dunno, seems opposite of logical but makes sense to me in a way :shrug:

not an overall fan of regular full body, surely...good to switch things up tho
constant change....
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Yeah it's thick when it's not digested but that changes once it's all broken down.
 
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