Snags gets ginormous with lean clean off-season dream bulk
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snagencyV2.0
Legend
the hell does that mean? :think:
Montego1
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Jealousy
wasme
Legend
is a pretty simple recipe really, guys
1) good controlled eating; plus
2) consistent, dedicated, and targeted training with a plan of action; plus
3) hormonal compounds that are smartly chosen to aid goals; plus
4) other supplements that also further those goals
(in that order)
that said: it's one thing to intellectually and intuitively believe you are making the right choices that will give you envisioned results; it's altogether another to have that vision realized in reality ... since this is the first time i have ever undertaken such a large project as this, i honestly can say it is gratifying to be proven correct in my calculations & assumptions
You are definitely a master at this...
And fine looking meal...
snagencyV2.0
Legend
last day in the rotation today, arms + abs..looked like this:
7.5min cardio warm-up
close-grip BB bench
5x12/10/8/8/8
cable tricep pushdowns
4x12/10/8/8
dips
3x max reps
tricep kickbacks
3x12/10/8
*old-school movement, and one I don't do very often at all, but felt like ss'ing these+dips this day
standing BB curls
5x12/10/8/8/8
preacher curls w/ DB
4x12/10/8/8
concentration curls
3x10
abs
6 sets/3 different exercises
7.5min cardio cooldown
off day tomorrow, come back and start it all over again on sunday
everyone enjoy the w/e
7.5min cardio warm-up
close-grip BB bench
5x12/10/8/8/8
cable tricep pushdowns
4x12/10/8/8
dips
3x max reps
tricep kickbacks
3x12/10/8
*old-school movement, and one I don't do very often at all, but felt like ss'ing these+dips this day
standing BB curls
5x12/10/8/8/8
preacher curls w/ DB
4x12/10/8/8
concentration curls
3x10
abs
6 sets/3 different exercises
7.5min cardio cooldown
off day tomorrow, come back and start it all over again on sunday
everyone enjoy the w/e
Hyde
Legend
Nice work Snags....and don't worry. Nobody's gonna get the idea to go buying MM goods, because nobody will be willing to fork out $65 for a tub of Bullnox - I'm not kidding. First time I ever went in one, they were selling this preworkout for $65 a lil tub! Better be laced with something illegal for that kind of money!
:hijacked: This chick we just hired at work is gonna do a bikini show at the end of November. It's not her first rodeo, but we were talking about her postworkout carbs (the only time she'll have carbs in a day from here on out, after her daily weighttraining). Does it really make a difference if it's complex like a sweet potato or a simple sugar/carb of her choice? Will it create a palpable difference? My thought is she'd WANT the simple carb to get it absorbed inside her post window...her coach wants it complex. Help.
:hijacked: This chick we just hired at work is gonna do a bikini show at the end of November. It's not her first rodeo, but we were talking about her postworkout carbs (the only time she'll have carbs in a day from here on out, after her daily weighttraining). Does it really make a difference if it's complex like a sweet potato or a simple sugar/carb of her choice? Will it create a palpable difference? My thought is she'd WANT the simple carb to get it absorbed inside her post window...her coach wants it complex. Help.
snagencyV2.0
Legend
yeah I really do not wish to tread where another coach has already stipulated an approach..
is disrespectful, and can not be a positive only a hindrance
now -- to the GENERIC question of simple vs. complex in a finite approach like a prep, personally I would prefer to keep things all complex, with the most minimal amount of simple possible for the most part.....
even this however has qualifications; ie, all carbs either fibrous or complex, but carbs are also being consumed thruout day and not just postWO timeframe ... if I was only eating one portion of carbs daily, and if I was having them in postWO timeframe, then yes I would actually opt for a mix of simple & complex, with even perhaps more than half of total coming from simple sources
again depends on a lot of factors -- there is no "absolute" when discussing these things, as much depends on a great many interconnected factors that also would need to be considered, to make the best choice possible
is disrespectful, and can not be a positive only a hindrance
now -- to the GENERIC question of simple vs. complex in a finite approach like a prep, personally I would prefer to keep things all complex, with the most minimal amount of simple possible for the most part.....
even this however has qualifications; ie, all carbs either fibrous or complex, but carbs are also being consumed thruout day and not just postWO timeframe ... if I was only eating one portion of carbs daily, and if I was having them in postWO timeframe, then yes I would actually opt for a mix of simple & complex, with even perhaps more than half of total coming from simple sources
again depends on a lot of factors -- there is no "absolute" when discussing these things, as much depends on a great many interconnected factors that also would need to be considered, to make the best choice possible
snagencyV2.0
Legend
I have heard this before - maybe I should
all totals reached yesterday, came in 6530cals/910g carbs
shooting for 6200cals/825g carbs today on off day, before taking things up tomorrow to ~6650cals/950g carbs
awoke this morning a smidge under 213 ... wtf?
even tho I am usually a pretty linear guy, and can control weight gain/loss proportionately pretty well, these weird blips always surprise me a bit .... couple shots of my calves here this morning, they just look pretty cool
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1ifeblood
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I have heard this before - maybe I should
all totals reached yesterday, came in 6530cals/910g carbs
shooting for 6200cals/825g carbs today on off day, before taking things up tomorrow to ~6650cals/950g carbs
awoke this morning a smidge under 213 ... wtf?
even tho I am usually a pretty linear guy, and can control weight gain/loss proportionately pretty well, these weird blips always surprise me a bit .... couple shots of my calves here this morning, they just look pretty cool
Why are you taking pictures of trees?
Hyde
Legend
Really appreciate the feedback Hoss; this was my logic as well but didn't want to skew things amiss for her. I also think her total daily allotment of carbs is simply too low (40g after fiber accounted for) considering there are NO re-feeds programmed for the 7 wks. But what do I know? :tongue1:
snagencyV2.0
Legend
yeah, that's crazy talk there
strange how some structure prep protocols, sometimes....
and - did I miss something somewhere? you are rep now?
well congrats bro :clap2:
moving right along in my own gig here, killer chesticle session today -- I mean chest was just gimammoth
(was so engorged, I had to come up with a new word just to describe it) :lol:
standing in my kitchen afterwards, I put a plate on the top part of my upper chest, and it balanced there perfectly is how swole them orbs were.... okay I exaggerate slightly there, but you get the point
6 sets abs
flat BB bench
5x12/10/8/8/8
incline BB bench
4x10/10/8/6
incline flyes
3x8
7.5min warm/cool
slowed pace a bit today, also moved hands around a bit (inward) on bar work, hit a slightly different angle..
typically I will almost always work on upper chest first (ie incline work), but switched things up a tad today, used flat bench first in a sort of pre-exhaust mode..was hella nice session really
cals were 6100 yesterday, carbs 825g
today as planned, will shoot for 6650-6700 and 950g carbs
getting to that 7k mark/1000g carbs slowly but surely!
aceroni
Well-known member
I'm not a prep coach so I don't feel bad saying this.
Dump this mother ****er.
Run away. In the opposite direction. Very quickly. Never get prep help from him again.
Have you ever heard of Layne Norton and metabolic damage?
If your girlfriend doesn't leave this guy she'll be there.
I'm saying this in the hopes you two will do something about this- this isn't a joke. That coach is going to drive her metabolism into the ground.
Either a. Find a new coach
Or b. Don't do the contest now.. Build her metabolism up slowly, then have her do a show
Please, take this seriously. Act quickly, this isn't a joke.
Ok... Snags, I have to agree with the other guys now- that's a **** ton of carbs
Hyde
Legend
@ Ace: she's just a friend at work, but I was trying to explain that she's gonna blow back up as soon as she eats normal again - her body is gonna forget how to process carbs!
snagnormous: Thanks man, just got going with the Andro Factory gig. Should be some fun stuff coming in the near future hopefully! And I had a full chest day thursday that I felt similarly about - still sore this Sunday morning even. But boy I was feeling pumped: a good chest day is hard to beat.
snagnormous: Thanks man, just got going with the Andro Factory gig. Should be some fun stuff coming in the near future hopefully! And I had a full chest day thursday that I felt similarly about - still sore this Sunday morning even. But boy I was feeling pumped: a good chest day is hard to beat.
snagencyV2.0
Legend
yeah i'm glad someone said that up there actually..good call ace
I am nearing the end of my capacity here, really don't think I can consume much more
and I DEF cannot place any more around workout -- this remains my one meal (postWO meal) that is just difficult to choke down, coming on heels of preWO/postWO shakes
postWO shake has grown a smidge tho, is now
2 rice krispie treats
2 rice cakes + 2 TBS brown rice syrup
45g whey isolate
~90/50/5
meal comes 1hr later, another 1000cals
nothing else can be done there, period
:yup:
I am nearing the end of my capacity here, really don't think I can consume much more
and I DEF cannot place any more around workout -- this remains my one meal (postWO meal) that is just difficult to choke down, coming on heels of preWO/postWO shakes
postWO shake has grown a smidge tho, is now
2 rice krispie treats
2 rice cakes + 2 TBS brown rice syrup
45g whey isolate
~90/50/5
meal comes 1hr later, another 1000cals
nothing else can be done there, period
snagencyV2.0
Legend
nahh, tried that but because of the sticky brown rice syrup making mess, + the fact I like the syrup spread on the rice cakes better than just eating straight, I just maul the cakes while drinking shake concurrently... consume it all in less than 5min
as for avoiding designer carbs - really wms is okay I spose, I've just never relied on these for my nutritional needs is all...with the increase in cal ingestion tho, can def see a use for them being handy
the only thing i'll really avoid like the plague is malto, that sh1t sucks
snagencyV2.0
Legend
recap on today's caloric endeavors:
all totals reached - 6695cals, 945/475/120.5
protein still just a tad high but really not a big deal, as fats were kept extra low (proportionately, ~16% of intake) in trade-off
this meal for supper was really large, I mean the damn thing just would NOT disappear, seemed like I was shoveling food in my mouth forever .. was only 950cals too (120/75/21)
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a lil "before pic" of that fajita, prior to rolling it up
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was can of chicken breast+2oz ham+2oz mesquite turkey breast+pepperjack cheese+red bell pepper
pic of some random dinner from the other day
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another week on-cycle, then we flip the diet a bit, lots of changes put in place in the makeover, and more ease/convenience of prep as well as different food options..ya'll have to wait to see what I got up my sleeve for this :28:
all totals reached - 6695cals, 945/475/120.5
protein still just a tad high but really not a big deal, as fats were kept extra low (proportionately, ~16% of intake) in trade-off
this meal for supper was really large, I mean the damn thing just would NOT disappear, seemed like I was shoveling food in my mouth forever .. was only 950cals too (120/75/21)
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a lil "before pic" of that fajita, prior to rolling it up
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was can of chicken breast+2oz ham+2oz mesquite turkey breast+pepperjack cheese+red bell pepper
pic of some random dinner from the other day
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another week on-cycle, then we flip the diet a bit, lots of changes put in place in the makeover, and more ease/convenience of prep as well as different food options..ya'll have to wait to see what I got up my sleeve for this :28:
aceroni
Well-known member
I had to.
I can't stand watching idiots **** their clients up. This girl is going to be in a world of hurt if she doesn't heed my warning
snagencyV2.0
Legend
well...first workout I have had in some time, where I actually struggled the entire time to make it thru..
legs were just not feeling it today; did not let that stop me tho, willed myself thru
7.5min light cardio warm
leg extensions
4x12/10/8/8
box squats
4x8
DB lunges
4x12/10/8/8
3/4 position lying leg curls
4x12
BB RDL
4x8
standing calf raises off plate
5x12/10/8/8/20
7.5min cardio cool
pic of a portion of my 1100cal breakfast this morning..
1/2c steel-cut oats
1 serving kashi go lean crunch+1 serving cinnamon life
scoop muscle milk graham cracker flav
100g banana
1c almond milk
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yum
legs were just not feeling it today; did not let that stop me tho, willed myself thru
7.5min light cardio warm
leg extensions
4x12/10/8/8
box squats
4x8
DB lunges
4x12/10/8/8
3/4 position lying leg curls
4x12
BB RDL
4x8
standing calf raises off plate
5x12/10/8/8/20
7.5min cardio cool
pic of a portion of my 1100cal breakfast this morning..
1/2c steel-cut oats
1 serving kashi go lean crunch+1 serving cinnamon life
scoop muscle milk graham cracker flav
100g banana
1c almond milk
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yum
iparatroop
Well-known member
There are more on this forum that can attest to this. Reverse dieting is not going to be easy at all on 40g carbs a day for 7+ weeks. On top of that, the plateau will come sooner than later, and at that point there's no room left to even manipulate carb intake. 40g? Where do you go from there if you need to subtract some? What a joke.
Hyde
Legend
It was literally 5 meals/day of 4-5oz lean protein + veggies, plus 1 scoop Isolyze pre-weight training & 1 scoop post w/ a sweet potato. Every single day, light or medium steady state cardio in the A.M., & every day weight training in the evening. What a dumb diet & split. NO offdays or refeeds. Gtfo of here, amirite?
iparatroop
Well-known member
All a recipe for a crushed metabolism. Ace hit the nail on the head.
snagencyV2.0
Legend
snagencyV2.0
Legend
okay..actually, it's pretty nasty sh1t is what it is..i'll let you read about it
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jimbuick
Legend
Lol I shop at aldi.
But, seriously. It's like some kind of milk product and I know literally nothing about it.
I figured if anyone would it would be you though.
snagencyV2.0
Legend
yeah I gave you a link to wiki above, thought you may have missed it tho..
might look healthy for you, tastes like ass...also majority I see is cow milk, which (as you know) I do not touch -- but I would not do fermented goat milk or any other fermented milk for that matter, either
all #s reached yesterday, totals came in
6780cals, 965/470/123
dinner was a 1125cal/175g carb monstrosity that was just ridiculous, almost couldn't finish it (included 1/2c basmati+1/2c potatoes+PB&jam on wheat toast); need to level out meals a tad and avoid this ginormous feeding at night
wasme
Legend
Sorry if I missed it but is there a reason you do not drink cow milk? I either drink skim milk (fat free), or almonst milk (unsweetened).
Those feedings are huge! How is your weight?
snagencyV2.0
Legend
you nailed it pretty much ace..
I figured out in my late 20s that I was allergic to milk -- this, after regularly drinking 1g to 1.5g milk daily the majority of my 20s
as soon as I ceased, my skin cleared up, I was less phlegmy, less bloated/gaseous, could breathe better...just felt sooo much better overall
then, I started studying food allergies and specifics of nutrients, learned some pretty amazing stuff about foods and how the majority of humans adapt to/develop allergies to some things that they previously had tolerated well up to a certain point in their lives -- milk the most obvious, but rice is another one that a great many ppl will develop allergies to at some point in life
interesting stuff
btw simon: almond milk is the way to go, great stuff
weight is still hanging same range ~214 .. my metabolism has adapted to caloric ingestion once again (sigh)
aceroni
Well-known member
you nailed it pretty much ace..
I figured out in my late 20s that I was allergic to milk -- this, after regularly drinking 1g to 1.5g milk daily the majority of my 20s
as soon as I ceased, my skin cleared up, I was less phlegmy, less bloated/gaseous, could breathe better...just felt sooo much better overall
then, I started studying food allergies and specifics of nutrients, learned some pretty amazing stuff about foods and how the majority of humans adapt to/develop allergies to some things that they previously had tolerated well up to a certain point in their lives -- milk the most obvious, but rice is another one that a great many ppl will develop allergies to at some point in life
interesting stuff
btw simon: almond milk is the way to go, great stuff
weight is still hanging same range ~214 .. my metabolism has adapted to caloric ingestion once again (sigh)
Pretty shocked about rice.. I thought it was one of the most non allergenic foods out there
iparatroop
Well-known member
Gonna make a guess and say this applies to enriched rice more so than it does to whole rice. I may be wrong, though.
snagencyV2.0
Legend
surprised me too -- let me rephrase tho:
while not extremely common (or among most common allergens), is still more prevalent than one would think..
interesting stuff, how repeated/too much exposure over prolonged period can wreak havoc with some
some other more common food allergens:
•eggs
•fish
•milk
•nuts from trees (including hazelnuts, walnuts, almonds, and Brazil nuts)
•peanuts (groundnuts)
•shellfish (including shrimps, mussels, and crab)
•soya
•wheat
snagencyV2.0
Legend
decent shoulder session today, despite once again feeling a smidge bleh
allergies have leveled off (actually broke down and picked up some OTC stuff for it), still get the random headache and itchy eyes tho..
seated BB military press
6x12/10/8/6/6/6
face pulls w/ D-grip
4x12/10/8/8
lateral raises
3x10
BB upright rows
3x10
7.5min warm/cool
I may just end up with 7k cals this day, and I am def shooting for 1000g carbs
allergies have leveled off (actually broke down and picked up some OTC stuff for it), still get the random headache and itchy eyes tho..
seated BB military press
6x12/10/8/6/6/6
face pulls w/ D-grip
4x12/10/8/8
lateral raises
3x10
BB upright rows
3x10
7.5min warm/cool
I may just end up with 7k cals this day, and I am def shooting for 1000g carbs
Hyde
Legend
Aldi is where it's at - no way I could afford to slam a lb of 93% ground beef on the daily. Or the amount of meat I eat in general, nvm the cost of fresh veggies/fruits & all the other staples.
Their almond milk is cheap as it gets man. And they have lactose free skim & 2% if you want milk - just literally 2x the cost of normal milk. But I literally get none of the bloat/gas etc normal milk would give me.
Montego1
Well-known member
A lb of 96% lean is only 4 bucks here. ....
Hyde
Legend
93% is $4 in St. Louis...but no other store will you touch that cheap around here. Most would be closer to 6.
jimbuick
Legend
Yeah, that's the issue is its literally twice the price.
I don't have any major issues with lactose (probably some bloat but I'm not lean enough for it to matter) so I think I'll continue buying milk for $2 a gallon instead of almond milk for $2.79 a 1/2 gallon.
Hyde
Legend
It's certainly leaner than before - but remember lipids don't like to rinse off, so rinsing with water likely won't remove much of the coating on the meat. But a very fatty blend like 80/20 will of course be healthier NOT eating the crazy amount of grease runoff.
wasme
Legend
Thanks. I always cooking lean ground beef, but strain and then basically wash it.. then add some seasoning. That said, also do buy extra lean ground beef..
snagencyV2.0
Legend
is on sale quite often around here, same price..~$5 when not on sale
I try to stock up bigtime when on sale
never such thing as a stupid question..(well okay yes there is)
this one is just funny tho, I've seen other guys on the forum talk about how they rinse and triple-rinse their meat and they actually think they are making it leaner by doing this...sorry but I just find this incredibly amusing
hyde has you covered here, no of course you cannot rinse fat from a cut of meat and make it leaner
snagencyV2.0
Legend
so it was accomplished today gents: 1000g carbs, to the exact gram
damn....a boatload of carbs that is, seriously
totals for day: 6835cals, 1000/430/125.5
off day tomorrow, things roll back down for a day in the ol' ebb & flow protocol
damn....a boatload of carbs that is, seriously
totals for day: 6835cals, 1000/430/125.5
off day tomorrow, things roll back down for a day in the ol' ebb & flow protocol
Lukef2000
Well-known member
Damn man! 1000g carbs is insane!
aceroni
Well-known member
Do you intend to do a low carb day on your off days??
I feel it would be very beneficial to you. Especially with you slamming 1000, carbs /day.
my high carb day Monday was a little under 600, and it wasn't difficult but I couldn't imagine eating another 400 (complex carbs)
I feel it would be very beneficial to you. Especially with you slamming 1000, carbs /day.
my high carb day Monday was a little under 600, and it wasn't difficult but I couldn't imagine eating another 400 (complex carbs)
snagencyV2.0
Legend
my claim to fame is not based on being sane
that's kind of what I do...carbs come in 100-200g less on off days, fats a bit higher % of total cals
was not quite the split rotation I had in mind at the beginning (wanted to go with larger discrepancy ie even less carbs more fat on off days) but I think it's worked out well
anyway, to your question:
I only have ~5 days left on cycle now, so ima push the carbs as much as possible, off day or not
then making some nice changes for PCT time - I think you'll like
sdunlimited
New member
So late to this - lots of catching up to do now!
Looking forward to the transitioning to more potent items and the results they provide
Looking forward to the transitioning to more potent items and the results they provide