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kisaj said:
I have no creaky joints, and quite honestly, I don't think it would be fair to compare with Erase. Erase is fine in itself, but when you see the hardening effect, libido increase, and mood uplift, it feels like comparing a script against an OTC- even though they are both OTC. For some reason, I had to take 3-4 Erase to see the water shedding effects like this and then I suffered from the joint issue. I haven't got that from this.

I love waking up in the morning now and seeing veins just popping out from everywhere.

I should add that I just broke the 515 dl barrier I have been on since my blast ended over a month ago. I pulled 535 and this weighing 5lbs less than I did, and adding in 100miles of biking a week.
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Seriously...reading posts like this make me smile. Why?
Because I work really hard to make sure Black Lion Research supplements are as good as they can possibly be.
I believe in our products and I know they work well, however, it still makes me happy when I see others have the same experience I have when using it.
Like I was saying earlier...it really isnt a fair comparison to compare Formeron to Erase. Formeron really is that much better.
Oh....and it doesnt hurt that it is anabolic ;)
 
lexmuscle said:
How long does it take to notice any effects?
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I dont want to make claims about this because its different for everyone and under different circumstances.

I notice water weight loss in a couple days and can see in my face. I start to get comments like "are you cutting"...after 2-5 days.
Strength and vascularity start to show up after a week or two.

For me personally
 
brundel said:
Formeron is an AI. So he is using one currently.
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Got that. I was curious what he used on his blast cycle...not sure if it was formeron.

I'm thinking about ordering some myself. How quick could I expect it?

I really wanted to run Epi, but I think I may need to stay away from methylated compounds as I'm a liver cancer survivor and have no gallbladder.

What are these accusations of one of the ingredients in the forma possibly being linked to cancer....someone references that above..
 
The ingredients in forma stanazol can lead to liver tumors and potentially cancer.

Not Formeron. Formeron is 100% formestane + the carrier. No other ingredients.

Im not sure about the delivery times at Nutraplanet but I think they are pretty quick.
 
lboston said:
Got that. I was curious what he used on his blast cycle...not sure if it was formeron.

I'm thinking about ordering some myself. How quick could I expect it?

I really wanted to run Epi, but I think I may need to stay away from methylated compounds as I'm a liver cancer survivor and have no gallbladder.

What are these accusations of one of the ingredients in the forma possibly being linked to cancer....someone references that above..
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No, I took one .5 arimidex after a weekend binge at the lake to take the edge off. Other than that, I just took Erase, which did help with water retention, but made me really sore and old feeling, so I cut it out and just rode the last few weeks out. Since I stopped the blast, I had not added in any AI until I ran into this thread and was sold on Formeron. I could not be happier with the results and it was only 2-3 days for me to really see it. At first I wasn't sure, but that changed rather fast.

As far as NP, I got my bottle fast. I chose normal 3-5 day shipping and had it in 2 business days. I ordered really late on Thur (around 6pm) and had it on Monday afternoon.
 
kisaj said:
No, I took one .5 arimidex after a weekend binge at the lake to take the edge off. Other than that, I just took Erase, which did help with water retention, but made me really sore and old feeling, so I cut it out and just rode the last few weeks out. Since I stopped the blast, I had not added in any AI until I ran into this thread and was sold on Formeron. I could not be happier with the results and it was only 2-3 days for me to really see it. At first I wasn't sure, but that changed rather fast.

As far as NP, I got my bottle fast. I chose normal 3-5 day shipping and had it in 2 business days. I ordered really late on Thur (around 6pm) and had it on Monday afternoon.
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Awesome man. I appreciate the feed back.

I'm going to blast a bit for probably 5-6 weeks, I have erase on had and a tad bit of liquid stane.

I'm going to order some forma to start after the blast is finished.

How's the results of the blast holding up?
 
Very well because I still have kept focus on my diet and intensity at the gym. My lifts are all the same, other than the plateau I broke through on DLs, and I dropped about 7-8lbs from my heaviest at 215. Quite honestly, I was also on a bulk at the time and I now realize that at 39, my 6' frame doesn't need to lug around 215lbs for the activities and sports I enjoy. I feel much quicker and stronger at 205-210. Plus, I also know that about 3-5lbs of that was water weight.
 
Still haven't noticed much of a difference after my second application. I did try doubling my dose of testosterone enanthate today to 40mg (which usually would put me in a horrible mood, pissed off at everything, high anxiety, hating the world, negative/emotional thoughts), but thus far I feel perfectly fine. If I still feel good tonight I'll be giving credit to Formeron for keeping me sane.
 
BTW, does Formeron lower DHT also? I read somewhere that Formestane lowers DHT, wasn't sure if Formeron was any different.
 
Formeron gave me some serious diarrhea that was a LOT of water. Guess I'll take 1/4 the dose next time, if at all. Finding out it lowers DHT turned me off from the product. But I guess it would be good during a blast or cycle. My sex drive is dead again btw.
 
lexmuscle said:
Formeron gave me some serious diarrhea that was a LOT of water. Guess I'll take 1/4 the dose next time, if at all. Finding out it lowers DHT turned me off from the product. But I guess it would be good during a blast or cycle. My sex drive is dead again btw.
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It can be a mild 5ar inhibitor but the reduction in DHT would be minimal if any at the doses we are using.
Also, its highly unlikely a transdermal caused diarrhea as it doesnt go through the GI tract and its not a known side effect of formestane. More likely something you ate.
 
brundel said:
It can be a mild 5ar inhibitor but the reduction in DHT would be minimal if any at the doses we are using.
Also, its highly unlikely a transdermal caused diarrhea as it doesnt go through the GI tract and its not a known side effect of formestane. More likely something you ate.
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But a transdermal will cause others to urinate an unusual amount? I'm pretty sure it's from the Formeron, since it was mainly water. I'll try it again next week and see if it has the same effect.
 
Ive never experienced an abnormal increase in urination. At least not high enough to be noticed. I supposed to lose the water its higher than normal but we are talking about a couple pounds of water over a few days to a week. You wouldnt even notice it. 1 gal is 8lbs so.....a few pounds isnt alot of water.
I have also never heard of this symptom over many thousands of users. Doesnt mean it cant happen. If it did its certainly rare.
I agree. Try again in a week and see what happens.
 
brundel said:
It can be a mild 5ar inhibitor but the reduction in DHT would be minimal if any at the doses we are using.
Also, its highly unlikely a transdermal caused diarrhea as it doesnt go through the GI tract and its not a known side effect of formestane. More likely something you ate.
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You need to hook us up with a discount code big brah :D
 
brundel said:
Creaky joints are frequently reported at higher doses.
If joints begin to ache lower the dose by 50%.
Its not an Apples to Apples comparison with regards to strength. I have never read any studies showing the % of inhibition with regards to erase.
Formestane is about 85%+ inhibition.
In comparison aromasin/exemestane is approx 95%
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Aromasins Inhibition Is less than that. Letro is up by 95%.

I like reading your posts tho man. Just wanted to set things clear. Ill post some PDFs of form and other aromatase inhibitors that shows the percentage and doses used.

I like form and I like 6 bromo. Both are some of the best out there. I'm partial to bromo when being found but make no mistake form is just as good
 
EBF Inc said:
Aromasins Inhibition Is less than that. Letro is up by 95%.

I like reading your posts tho man. Just wanted to set things clear. Ill post some PDFs of form and other aromatase inhibitors that shows the percentage and doses used.

I like form and I like 6 bromo. Both are some of the best out there. I'm partial to bromo when being found but make no mistake form is just as good
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So aromasin would be on par with forma basically? I knew letro was insane like that, almost 100%, and the initial dose crushes it like 70-80% straight away lol....so you need to dose it E3D or more (to work with the half-life) in order not to totally crush your estrogen.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
So aromasin would be on par with forma basically? I knew letro was insane like that, almost 100%, and the initial dose crushes it like 70-80% straight away lol....so you need to dose it E3D or more (to work with the half-life) in order not to totally crush your estrogen.
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I believe iirc aromasin and 6 bromo are about the same with inhibition between 75/85%

Form may be a bit lower But I don't remember ill post up a ton of **** when I'm Round the computer

You can probably find the PDFs I posted them like 4-6 years ago under a different username (can't disclose)

The titles are called

Ais

More ais
 
EBF Inc said:
I believe iirc aromasin and 6 bromo are about the same with inhibition between 75/85%

Form may be a bit lower But I don't remember ill post up a ton of **** when I'm Round the computer

You can probably find the PDFs I posted them like 4-6 years ago under a different username (can't disclose)

The titles are called

Ais

More ais
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Who sells 6-bromo nowadays?
 
EBF Inc said:
No idea. But ill buy a kilo lol
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I remembered who it was that sold it right after I asked you that, it's PHF 6-bromo powder.....60 servings of 50mg is their idea of "bulk" lol. As usual its out of stock, God knows when it will be in stock. I had a line on some open 6-bromo from a fellow board member last year, but I never jumped on it....next time i see that guy post I'm gonna hit him up for it :D
 
Well of course. Its not sold as a supp anymore though. Since its not a research chem and not a supp itll be hard to find i would think. Could def import it.
 
PHF still has a listing for their "bulk" 6-bromo though...with "email notification when its in stock" option as well. I will say it has not been in stock any of the times I have checked in the past year.....I signed up for the notification, what the hell.....
 
Don't know why we need to be concerned about stuff that isn't sold legally anymore when we have products that work just as well or at least very close.
 
kisaj said:
Don't know why we need to be concerned about stuff that isn't sold legally anymore when we have products that work just as well or at least very close.
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well lets put it this way.....if 6-bromo was "first" (out the door), then forma is "next" ;) ....so it might be the next illegal thing, shyt happens quickly anymore with the Feds. Moral to the story? find this stuff wherever you can and STOCK UP.......
 
Oh, no doubt. I plan a big bulk buy here in the next couple weeks. I don't trust something this effective to not get shut down.
 
kisaj said:
Oh, no doubt. I plan a big bulk buy here in the next couple weeks. I don't trust something this effective to not get shut down.
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Yeah mr supps has been warning/threatening for many many months that when its gone its gone, and they may not be allowed to restock on the stuff in the near future. I think they just want to sell the stuff, so they use it as a marketing ploy. I wanted to stock up on primordial androhard, that was real legit DHT in a pill with delivery system included....but I was not posting when they had their firesale so I missed out there. You gotta keep an eye on things nowadays, and act quickly, like when we all hoarded up SD pre-ban lol....that was good times right there. I figure if PHF emails me that 6-bromo is back in stock....I'll order me some and not ask any questions...yeah I know, probably not gonna happen but....:D
 
Man, I seriously love this stuff so much that I just pulled the trigger on 10 bottles. lol. Can't run out.
 
This I love to hear.....not because we sold 10 bottles but because you like it enough to BUY 10 BOTTLES!!!! :)
Makes me so proud when people like our products.
 
You guys have me pumped to try it out. Will probably place an order when I get back from vacation in a week. Hopefully there's enough to go around after Kisaj's bulk order :-)
 
Chuckj1973 said:
You guys have me pumped to try it out. Will probably place an order when I get back from vacation in a week. Hopefully there's enough to go around after Kisaj's bulk order :-)
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We dont plan on running out any time soon ;)
 
lboston said:
Are you just using the recommended 2 pumps per day?
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Yeah, one in the morning after shower and again before bed. I use about 3/4 of a pump because a full one was too much for one time and it got messy or would run off my forearm before I could transfer to my thigh.

Just got blood work done on Wed at my 3 month refill appointment and while I don't have a before, the current looks damn good and would explain why I feel so incredible.

4 days after last 60mg injection:
Total test- 618 (332-896)
Free- 33.2 (5.0-40.0ng)
SHBG- 27.4 (11-80nmol)
e2- 23 (14-55pg)

My doc was blown away and called me to say I was doing a great job and that he wished all his patients had things dialed in like me.
 
kisaj said:
Yeah, one in the morning after shower and again before bed. I use about 3/4 of a pump because a full one was too much for one time and it got messy or would run off my forearm before I could transfer to my thigh.

Just got blood work done on Wed at my 3 month refill appointment and while I don't have a before, the current looks damn good and would explain why I feel so incredible.

4 days after last 60mg injection:
Total test- 618 (332-896)
Free- 33.2 (5.0-40.0ng)
SHBG- 27.4 (11-80nmol)
e2- 23 (14-55pg)

My doc was blown away and called me to say I was doing a great job and that he wished all his patients had things dialed in like me.
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I got a "warning" about being at 35 free test....according to your labs ranges its not even over the top. I guess different labs have different ranges. What the heck are YOU doing for SHBG? I know I was using various nettle products that boosted my free test up (I suppose, it may have been due to other supps I was taking too for all I know).....yours is pretty much as high as mine is. Here's hoping my E2 is in the low to mid 20's next week! I'm lathering the damn forma on at 200mg per day :D (actually the forma stanzol has tiny little pump actuations so its not messy at all....)
 
I don't want to be over the top with free test or anything else for that matter. To be on the high side near the limit of the lab makes me very happy, but more important than a number is how I feel. As far as labs, yeah, there are so many different ranges for labs that it can be confusing. My doc was using a lab that had a 250-1200 range, but there was just too much wiggle room, so he started using another lab that tightened it up a bit.

My supplement list is:
macuna 600mg day
nettle 960mg
vitamin D 1000mg
rhodiola 250mg

Regardless of any article saying otherwise, nettle does work. I went from 45.2 average (11-80 range) to 35 average simply by adding nettle. This was 6 months ago when I last tested. Now at 27.4, I think has to do with the Formeron because I changed nothing else.
 
I don't want to be over the top with free test or anything else for that matter. To be on the high side near the limit of the lab makes me very happy, but more important than a number is how I feel. As far as labs, yeah, there are so many different ranges for labs that it can be confusing. My doc was using a lab that had a 250-1200 range, but there was just too much wiggle room, so he started using another lab that tightened it up a bit.

My supplement list is:
macuna 600mg day
nettle 960mg
vitamin D 1000mg
rhodiola 250mg

Regardless of any article saying otherwise, nettle does work. I went from 45.2 average (11-80 range) to 35 average simply by adding nettle. This was 6 months ago when I last tested. Now at 27.4, I think has to do with the Formeron because I changed nothing else.
 
kisaj said:
I don't want to be over the top with free test or anything else for that matter. To be on the high side near the limit of the lab makes me very happy, but more important than a number is how I feel. As far as labs, yeah, there are so many different ranges for labs that it can be confusing. My doc was using a lab that had a 250-1200 range, but there was just too much wiggle room, so he started using another lab that tightened it up a bit.

My supplement list is:
macuna 600mg day
nettle 960mg
vitamin D 1000mg
rhodiola 250mg

Regardless of any article saying otherwise, nettle does work. I went from 45.2 average (11-80 range) to 35 average simply by adding nettle. This was 6 months ago when I last tested. Now at 27.4, I think has to do with the Formeron because I changed nothing else.
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that is why we have similar #'s in that regard, we take the same supplements almost to a T. I take ~1600 of the nettle, but its a "wide range spectrum" blend of nettle so its not 1600mg of actual nettle extract ;).....the dopa mucuna I take 800mg of 15% extract ED (I'm cycling off of it for a month right now actually)...and D I have been taking 5,000IU of D-3 daily. But yeah I am a firm believer in nettle now, it has proven itself to me with greatly reduced hair fallout (better than any topical if you believe that) and also on labs more recently. I've been using it for years off and on, but now I cycle off for a month here and there once or twice a year and stay on pretty much the rest of the time.
 
My dad survived prostate cancer years ago and his doc recommended nettle afterwards and I have been taking it ever since. Nice piece of mind and to see actual numbers support my TRT, it is a no brainer.
 
Great numbers!!!
Looks like your right in the zone. Personally I like my T higher.

Formeron reduces SHBG a bit.

I have 3kg of a very good nettle extract at my shop..love the stuff. We are in the process of testing a new product and it made my prostate blow up like a puffer fish....this indicates the product is working but I want to be able to urinate when I want to so I started on the nettle and its back to norm even with the offending compound still in the mix.
 
Yeah I just can't reconcile being on TRT and going through all that rigamarole, and only doubling my test levels :D....we gotta get up around 3X my low test score, gotta have it lol.
 
brundel said:
The good news is.....you can just inject more test.
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I was happy to be at 960 actually.....but I recently dropped the transdermal DHEA I was using, so when I retest I'll have to see where I'm at with test only....hopefully I don't drop too much from X'ing the DHEA....whatever amount I do drop? I know how much test I need to get to where I want to be, so it's all good, I will just adjust accordingly. The assistant at my GP asked me if I work at a medical office or if I was an assistant like he is last time I visited since (as usual) I requested this test and that test for this and that reason lol....I told him I just know about this stuff since I've been into it since I was a teenager.
 
brundel said:
The good news is.....you can just inject more test.
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Lol- exactly. That was only 60mg the day of my injection. I personally like to ride around 700-750 and that is right in line with this amount. Besides, I am coming from years at 200-275 levels so this has been heaven for the last couple of years.
 
I've been reading that Formeron can permanently reduce the number of estrogen receptors in your body. Can this affect sex drive in a negative way? Also, I tried another dose of Formeron on Sunday and had diarrhea again. I cut the dose to 1/4 today and didn't have diarrhea, just a massive dump. Sex drive still at 0. I wish I could just prick my finger each week, scan it in a pocket analyzer, and get an instant update on what my current levels are.. Apple needs an app for this. Siri, what is my e2 level?
 
lexmuscle said:
I've been reading that Formeron can permanently reduce the number of estrogen receptors in your body. Can this affect sex drive in a negative way? Also, I tried another dose of Formeron on Sunday and had diarrhea again. I cut the dose to 1/4 today and didn't have diarrhea, just a massive dump. Sex drive still at 0. I wish I could just prick my finger each week, scan it in a pocket analyzer, and get an instant update on what my current levels are.. Apple needs an app for this. Siri, what is my e2 level?
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Estrogen plays a role in sex drive. Formeron is a suicidal inhibitor so once it deactivates it essentially new aromatase needs to form in order to increase estrogen. That's put simply. It's a lot more complex

I'd try 100mg of dhea a day till you get going again. An of you wanna continue to run form run it with dhea
 
lexmuscle said:
I've been reading that Formeron can permanently reduce the number of estrogen receptors in your body. Can this affect sex drive in a negative way? Also, I tried another dose of Formeron on Sunday and had diarrhea again. I cut the dose to 1/4 today and didn't have diarrhea, just a massive dump. Sex drive still at 0. I wish I could just prick my finger each week, scan it in a pocket analyzer, and get an instant update on what my current levels are.. Apple needs an app for this. Siri, what is my e2 level?
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Wow! So it was the Form? Thats the most violent expulsion of water I have ever heard of LOL. Not exactly pleasant.
I have been using Formestane for about 6-7 years now....a TON of it and My libido is off the chain so....I dont think receptor downregulation will
be cause for concern with regards to libido or sexual function.
 
My libido is out of control since starting Formeron. Erections are like I was at 18 and literally wake me up at night. My wife actually told me that I need to give her a break because I am acting like when we first met. LOL. I never had any libido issues with TRT, but I am on another level and it is crazy being almost 40.
 
My sex drive went up on the forma initially, but more recently....the past week or so..... its seems to have tapered back off....at least I'm getting labs done this friday, so I'll know what sort of impact it had on the actual estrogen #'s.
 
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