Christurner14
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Just wondering what the best dosing is for ArA??? And should it be taken only on workout days??? And one more, will I lose some strength coming off this?? Thanks guys
Ara supplement help!!!
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Wilsy7
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If its your first cycle 1g will be good. Workout days only, and dose with GMS and LCLT for best results. No you should keep all gains. Its a natty supp
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Christurner14
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If its your first cycle 1g will be good. Workout days only, and dose with GMS and LCLT for best results. No you should keep all gains. Its a natty supp
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Thanks for the advice!!
laneanders
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You shouldn't lose any gains provided your nutrition, sleep, and training schedules don't change. As was mentioned above add some GMS and carnitine. I use Hemavol and Compete for that purpose as they contain both.
Profion
Member
since im going to say that you will lose some gains after stopping, i might be neg rapped...
People are over promotion certain product, sometimes its because they use them themselves.. They kinda tend to because they want to believe that what they are buying is valid! Nevertheless, i did go through a tub of Ara and i experienced nothing! Only thing i experienced was a loss of focus/mental awareness, actually i was quite paranoid about it!
Now let me put it to you in another way: Everything that will incease your strength or size will using it, will subside when you stop. It even goes for protein powder, lets say you take 200g of proteinpowder and one day suddenly stop, you still workout and do everything right.. but because u take that certain thing away, you will have to replace it to keep the "effect" you got from it.
Creatine, Beta-alanine, steroids...
500mg of injected testosteron = 120kg muscle, you suddenly stop and your body returns the normal values of 75mg ish a week... now tell me how the hell some one is going to keep their size :> Arnold still Works out? Ronnie ?
to the point, i experienced nothing but an empty wallet from buy fat-oil in a pill
People are over promotion certain product, sometimes its because they use them themselves.. They kinda tend to because they want to believe that what they are buying is valid! Nevertheless, i did go through a tub of Ara and i experienced nothing! Only thing i experienced was a loss of focus/mental awareness, actually i was quite paranoid about it!
Now let me put it to you in another way: Everything that will incease your strength or size will using it, will subside when you stop. It even goes for protein powder, lets say you take 200g of proteinpowder and one day suddenly stop, you still workout and do everything right.. but because u take that certain thing away, you will have to replace it to keep the "effect" you got from it.
Creatine, Beta-alanine, steroids...
500mg of injected testosteron = 120kg muscle, you suddenly stop and your body returns the normal values of 75mg ish a week... now tell me how the hell some one is going to keep their size :> Arnold still Works out? Ronnie ?
to the point, i experienced nothing but an empty wallet from buy fat-oil in a pill
kissdadookie
Well-known member
ArA isn't hormonal. It's pro-inflammatory which leads to higher levels of protein synthesis/muscle repair. You're using it to optimize what your body can naturally build and support so you're not going to lose your gains as long as nutrition is up to par and you continue to train at similar levels of intensity.
Profion
Member
as if i thought ara was hormonal. Ara, is the fatty acid that we are adviced to take low doses off due to certain effect. Ara, can also oncoure excess inflamation..
I do see the point of Ara in some way, you workout and damage your muscles. The Ara, does cause more inflamation in the muscles wich starts a recovery response shuffleing more nutrients into the inflamated area, yet Again! When you stop you will no longer have the amounts of ara to support the muscle u got from it, therefor a person must increase his natural Ara... same goes for protein, made gains? want to keep em? eat the same amount.
I do see the point of Ara in some way, you workout and damage your muscles. The Ara, does cause more inflamation in the muscles wich starts a recovery response shuffleing more nutrients into the inflamated area, yet Again! When you stop you will no longer have the amounts of ara to support the muscle u got from it, therefor a person must increase his natural Ara... same goes for protein, made gains? want to keep em? eat the same amount.
kissdadookie
Well-known member
No no no no no. The ArA is NOT supporting the muscles. Once youy deplete ArA, your muscles doesn't magically shrink back down. That is NOT how it works. What does happen when you are ArA deficient is that muscle protein synthesis/repair slows down notably thus growth slows down. ArA helps you build strength/muscle faster but when you are deficient on it, growth slows down but you will NOT lose what you gained whilst on it.
Hormonal supps such as AAS/PH increases your gains because they are providing your body with levels of hormones which you body can not produce in such quantities on its own. Once you jump off, you no long have the hormone levels available to support the super physiological gains thus you lose your gains. ArA doesn't do this, ArA essentially provides a longer and louder signaling for protein synthesis. The two works completely differently. Your protein analogy is ridiculous as well. Let's put it this way, if you jump off ArA and if that causes lost in gains, then how did people get so big 10+ years ago before ArA supplementation was discovered or prior to the realization of ArA's role in muscle protein synthesis?
Profion
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Brotherin, some roids even has your protein synthetics increase 24/7 wich Means protein is shuffled alot more and used... Some drugs such as winstrol decrease the SHBG wich eventually makes up for even more free testosteron "active testoteron" drugs like anavar increase creatine synthetics wich does make creatine alot more available in the muscles..
Now dont come here talk like i dont know, i still say that people should try to use their brains alittle. Taken from an article:
1) Men can put on lots of muscle without eating any extra poultry, egg yolks or AA supplements. Many vegetarian and vegan bodybuilders are examples of this with huge physiques and yet consuming very little extra arachidonic acid in their diet.
2) The research on any dangers of arachidonic acid are still in the early stages. We simply do not all that we should about this complex subject.
3) We do know that in many cases Arachidonic Acid will significantly raise inflammation levels.
4) We know elevated inflammation is a huge risk factor for heart disease, autoimmune disease, cancer and erectile dysfunction.
The key thing is that researchers have implicated chronically raised inflammation as a root cause in almost everything you fear: heart disease, autoimmune disease (arthritis, diabetes, Crohn's, etc.), many cancers and, yes, erectile dysfunction. For example, in heart disease one of your body's inflammatory molecules, TNF alpha, plays a key role in fighting damage to your arterial wall and does so by triggering the plaque building process that advances arteriosclerosis and hardens your arteries. (See my link on TNF Alpha Inhibitors for some additional information.)
If people think that the Companies give a **** for your Health your wrong, even in the Health industry they actually make the most unhealthy stuff around. I myslef am a big time consumer of preworkouts " giant amounts of ingridience that in no natural way would be able to get " caffeine amounts that could blow your Heart... nevertheless i still use it for that "extra energy n focus" :>
but nevertheless, find me the study bro... Medical study
Now dont come here talk like i dont know, i still say that people should try to use their brains alittle. Taken from an article:
1) Men can put on lots of muscle without eating any extra poultry, egg yolks or AA supplements. Many vegetarian and vegan bodybuilders are examples of this with huge physiques and yet consuming very little extra arachidonic acid in their diet.
2) The research on any dangers of arachidonic acid are still in the early stages. We simply do not all that we should about this complex subject.
3) We do know that in many cases Arachidonic Acid will significantly raise inflammation levels.
4) We know elevated inflammation is a huge risk factor for heart disease, autoimmune disease, cancer and erectile dysfunction.
The key thing is that researchers have implicated chronically raised inflammation as a root cause in almost everything you fear: heart disease, autoimmune disease (arthritis, diabetes, Crohn's, etc.), many cancers and, yes, erectile dysfunction. For example, in heart disease one of your body's inflammatory molecules, TNF alpha, plays a key role in fighting damage to your arterial wall and does so by triggering the plaque building process that advances arteriosclerosis and hardens your arteries. (See my link on TNF Alpha Inhibitors for some additional information.)
If people think that the Companies give a **** for your Health your wrong, even in the Health industry they actually make the most unhealthy stuff around. I myslef am a big time consumer of preworkouts " giant amounts of ingridience that in no natural way would be able to get " caffeine amounts that could blow your Heart... nevertheless i still use it for that "extra energy n focus" :>
but nevertheless, find me the study bro... Medical study
heavylifter33
Well-known member
Lol this may be the dumbest thing I've read in months, and that's saying something considering what I see on internet forums.
In no way will you lose gains after stopping the use of ArA, we're not talking about exogenous hormones here. If ArA promoted a strength increase, which we don't tout it to, then yes you may go back to baseline but that has nothing to do with body composition which is the focus. Your comment on protein intake is so absurd i'd invite you to take a basic nutrition class then re-think what you just said.
kissdadookie
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:: claps hands ::
pyrobatt
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Everyone knows protein powder is just food right?
kissdadookie
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Obviously not from one particular poster a few posts above. Apparently protein is supposed to be like AAS/PH. Smh.
T-Bone
Banned
A lot of people don't understand that. I see a ton of guys on here saying "I took 1 serving of protein powder". Instead they should just say, "I drank a serving of protein". Then they expect all sorts of gains explicit to drinking the protein powder. I mean I see them talking about "results" from drinking protein.
heavylifter33
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Are u guys on protein? I don't know i'm kind of worried about kidney damage and losing gains once I come off.
kissdadookie
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Lost all my gains that one week I was too lazy to pick up another tub of protein. Smh.
aaronuconn
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Hope that protein doesn't also have creatine.
pyrobatt
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Lol. The best protein powder with supplements in it has to be in my opinion oxyelite protein . Cla and taste
but that doesnt even come close lolkissdadookie
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Boy do I despise the proteins that comes with creatine in them. Why oh why do companies do this. Sigh.
aaronuconn
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I can relay your message to those companies.
Jiigzz
Legend
There are some issues here that need to be addressed; I constantly fluctuate between 'taking protein shakes' and not needing them yet my gains and strength remain constant. Protein powder isn't magical; its just a convenient way to consume protein. I use mine SIMPLY for the taste or when i'm on a cut and struggle to hit my protein target.
Secondly, you really need to stop comparing ArA with injectable test. They are not the same therefore the sides and gains cannot be expected to be the same.
If ArA didn't 'work' the way you intended, then that's a shame; but even creatine can have non-responders.
For sure; but we don't claim that you need to take X-Gels to put on size and increase strength; it is a supplement like anything else. Bodybuilders can put on size and strength without the use of Creatine but we take it because it helps that little bit extra.
There are many things we do not know a lot about but safety studies have been conducted and SNS sets it X-Gel usage guidelines to comply with the knowledge we do have on ArA supplementation.
Yes, and no. There is a difference between localized inflammation and prolonged systemic inflammation. Also;
Jiigzz
Legend
This is why I like Hayden.
He is always polite, even in his rebuttals.
I try. I'm trying to reach your level of customer service kissdadookie
Well-known member
Lots of lulz to be had here. Just sayin. 