Need help for diagnostic

[scafaJ]

I am John 22 years old from France for 1m82 (5''11) and 75kg (166lbs)

Since 2 years i'm trying to build some muscle but it's very hard for me. I eat right, but when i try to increase calorie i gain only fat.

So i decided to have a blood work and this is the result:
Total testosterone 4 ng/ml
Tsh 3.2

My T level is low but in average. Right now i take 25mg of levo thyroxine for my hypo thyroid.

So can i build muscle with this little T level?

I've really tried a lot of training and diet...

 

[Red Fox]

Get prolactin levels checked too. Prolactin hinders muscle growth and testosterone.

Try clomiphene citrate, 25mg every day or every other day. Will boost test.

 

[scafaJ]

Do i need doctor prescription to buy clomiphene?
I'm wondering if Triazole will help me..?

Thank you

 

[rphash49]

Do i need doctor prescription to buy clomiphene?
I'm wondering if Triazole will help me..?

Thank you

Because I can.

 

[Red Fox]

OTC is generally junk. You either need a prescription for clomid or you buy it from a source

As for not being able to be prescribed clomid if you're a man... that's not true. Small town doctors probably would not go along with it but cities and anti aging clinics on the other hand or fertility doctors all would do it

 

[scafaJ]

Because I can.

I dont understand your message...

Red fox, what is OTC? I can't see fertility doctor i'm 22... lol

Right now i'm seeing an endo but he does'nt accept my low T level...

I'm wondering if i can build muscle with this T level..? I have a good libido... i'm very active

 

[Red Fox]

I dont understand your message...

Red fox, what is OTC? I can't see fertility doctor i'm 22... lol

Right now i'm seeing an endo but he does'nt accept my low T level...

I'm wondering if i can build muscle with this T level..? I have a good libido... i'm very active

OTC is over the counter. And yes you can certainly see a fertility doctor at 22.

As for if you can build muscle... Anyone can build muscle

 

[scafaJ]

I hate doctor here in France! I don't know what can I do... I so sure my T level is low.
My voice is like an adolescent, I m hairless on chess and no beard. I can't build muscle.

But my doc does'nt see that, 4ng/ml is in the ranges so everything is ok

 

[pyrobatt]

I hate doctor here in France! I don't know what can I do... I so sure my T level is low.
My voice is like an adolescent, I m hairless on chess and no beard. I can't build muscle.

But my doc does'nt see that, 4ng/ml is in the ranges so everything is ok

4 or 400?

 

[AnabolicHolic]

4 or 400?

I believe he got free test #'s.

 

[scafaJ]

400 lol sorry but it's total T (not free)

 

[pyrobatt]

400 lol sorry but it's total T (not free)

You're fine then.

 

[scafaJ]

So what? I don't need to increase ?

So why i can not build muscle? I have my personal diet with protein supplements, omega 3 etc... and nothing.
my friends without diet and without supplement gain some muscle and some fat.

My diet is good i'm sure. It was verified by a lot of member of other forum

 

[Red Fox]

So what? I don't need to increase ?

So why i can not build muscle? I have my personal diet with protein supplements, omega 3 etc... and nothing.
my friends without diet and without supplement gain some muscle and some fat.

My diet is good i'm sure. It was verified by a lot of member of other forum

Week 1

Day 1: Lower Body

A. Barbell Squat
4 sets of 8 reps

Superset

B1. Romanian Deadlift
4 sets of 10 reps

B2. Barbell Step Ups
4 sets of 10 reps

Superset

C1. Leg Extensions
3 sets of 10-12 reps

C2. Reverse Crunch
3 sets of 15 reps

Day 2: Upper Body

Superset

A1. Barbell Bench Press - Medium Grip
4 sets of 8 reps

A2. One-Arm Dumbbell Row
4 sets of 12 reps

Superset

B1. Incline Dumbbell Press
4 sets of 10 reps

B2. Face Pull
4 sets of 15 reps

Superset

C1. Dips - Chest Version
4 sets of 10 reps (use weight if necessary)

C2. Chin-Up
4 sets of 10 reps (use weight if necessary)

Day 3: Lower Body

A1. Barbell Deadlift
4 sets of 8 reps

Superset

B1. Dumbbell Rear Lunge (Clean grip)
4 sets of 10 reps

B2. Glute Ham Raise
3 sets of 10 reps

Superset

C1. Seated Leg Curl
3 sets of 10-12 reps

C2. Ab Rollout (Using Swiss Ball)
3 sets of 10 reps

Day 4: Upper Body

Superset

A1. Standing Military Press
4 sets of 8 reps

A2. Pullups
4 sets of 8 reps (use weight if necessary)

Superset

B1. Push Press - Behind the Neck
4 sets of 10 reps

B2. Rear Delt Raise
4 sets of 12-15 reps

Triset

C1. EZ-Bar Curl
4 sets of 10 reps

C2. Lying Triceps Press
4 sets of 10 reps

C3. Side Lateral Raise
4 sets of 10-12 reps

Week 2

Day 1: Lower Body

A. Barbell Squat
4 sets of 10 reps

Superset

B1. Romanian Deadlift
4 sets of 12 reps

B2. Barbell Step Ups
4 sets of 15 reps

Superset

C1. Leg Extensions
4 sets of 12-15 reps

C2. Reverse Crunch
4 sets of 15 reps

Day 2: Upper Body

Superset

A1. Barbell Bench Press - Medium Grip
4 sets of 10 reps

A2. One-Arm Dumbbell Row
4 sets of 15 reps

Superset

B1. Incline Dumbbell Press
4 sets of 12 reps

B2. Face Pull
4 sets of 15 reps

Superset

C1. Dips - Chest Version
5 sets of 10 reps (use weight if necessary)

C2. Chin-Up
5 sets of 10 reps (use weight if necessary)

Day 3: Lower Body

A1. Barbell Deadlift
4 sets of 10 reps

Superset

B1. Dumbbell Rear Lunge (Clean grip)
3 sets of 12 reps

B2. Glute Ham Raise
3 sets of 10 reps

Superset

C1. Seated Leg Curl
4 sets of 12-15 reps

C2. Ab Rollout (Using Swiss Ball)
4 sets of 12 reps


Day 4: Upper Body

Superset

A1. Standing Military Press
4 sets of 10 reps

A2. Pullups
4 sets of 10 reps (use weight if necessary)

Superset

B1. Push Press - Behind the Neck
3 sets of 12 reps

B2. Rear Delt Raise
3 sets of 15-20 reps

Triset

C1. EZ-Bar Curl
4 sets of 12 reps

C2. Lying Triceps Press
4 sets of 12 reps

C3. Side Lateral Raise
4 sets of 12-15 reps

Week 3

Day 1: Lower Body

A. Barbell Squat
4 sets of 6 reps

Superset

B1. Romanian Deadlift
3 sets of 8 reps

B2. Barbell Step Ups
3 sets of 8-10 reps

Superset

C1. Leg Extensions
3 sets of 8-10 reps

C2. Reverse Crunch
3 sets of 12 reps

Day 2: Upper Body

Superset

A1. Barbell Bench Press - Medium Grip
4 sets of 6 reps

A2. One-Arm Dumbbell Row
4 sets of 10 reps

Superset

B1. Incline Dumbbell Press
4 sets of 8 reps

B2. Face Pull
4 sets of 15 reps

Superset

C1. Dips - Chest Version
4 sets of 8 reps (use weight if necessary)

C2. Chin-Up
4 sets of 8 reps (use weight if necessary)

Day 3: Lower Body

A1. Barbell Deadlift
4 sets of 6 reps

Superset

B1. Dumbbell Rear Lunge (Clean grip)
4 sets of 8 reps

B2. Glute Ham Raise
4 sets of 10 reps

Superset

C1. Seated Leg Curl
3 sets of 8-10 reps

C2. Ab Rollout (Using Swiss Ball)
3 sets of 10 reps

Day 4: Upper Body

Superset

A1. Standing Military Press
4 sets of 6 reps

A2. Pullups
4 sets of 6 reps (use weight if necessary)

Superset

B1. Push Press - Behind the Neck
4 sets of 8 reps

B2. Rear Delt Raise
4 sets of 10-12 reps

Triset

C1. EZ-Bar Curl
4 sets of 8 reps

C2. Lying Triceps Press
4 sets of 8-10 reps

C3. Side Lateral Raise
4 sets of 8-10 reps


Week 4

Day 1: Lower Body

A. Barbell Squat
5 sets of 5 reps

Superset

B1. Romanian Deadlift
3 sets of 6 reps

B2. Barbell Step Ups
3 sets of 10 reps

Superset

C1. Leg Extensions
3 sets of 10 reps

C2. Reverse Crunch
3 sets of 10 reps

Day 2: Upper Body

Superset

A1. Barbell Bench Press - Medium Grip
5 sets of 5 reps

A2. One-Arm Dumbbell Row
5 sets of 8 reps

Superset

B1. Incline Dumbbell Press
3 sets of 8 reps

B2. Face Pull
3 sets of 15 reps

Superset

C1. Dips - Chest Version
3 sets of 8 reps (use weight if necessary)

C2. Chin-Up
3 sets of 8 reps (use weight if necessary)

Day 3: Lower Body

A1. Barbell Deadlift
5 sets of 5 reps

Superset

B1. Dumbbell Rear Lunge (Clean grip)
3 sets of 10 reps

B2. Glute Ham Raise
3 sets of 10 reps

Superset

C1. Seated Leg Curl
3 sets of 10 reps

C2. Ab Rollout (Using Swiss Ball)
3 sets of 10 reps

Day 4: Upper Body

Superset

A1. Standing Military Press
5 sets of 5 reps

A2. Pullups
5 sets of 5 reps (use weight if necessary)

Superset

B1. Push Press - Behind the Neck
4 sets of 6 reps

B2. Rear Delt Raise
4 sets of 10-12 reps

Triset

C1. EZ-Bar Curl
3 sets of 8 reps

C2. Lying Triceps Press
3 sets of 8-10 reps

C3. Side Lateral Raise
3 sets of 8-10 reps

 

[rphash49]

So what? I don't need to increase ?

So why i can not build muscle? I have my personal diet with protein supplements, omega 3 etc... and nothing.
my friends without diet and without supplement gain some muscle and some fat.

My diet is good i'm sure. It was verified by a lot of member of other forum

How many grams protein, fats and carbs per day.

 

[pyrobatt]

How many grams protein, fats and carbs per day.

And calories.

 

[scafaJ]

I'm around 2500kcal per day, if I go for 2800kcal i gain fat.

protein: 175g
carbs: 250g
fat: 90g

 

[pyrobatt]

I'm around 2500kcal per day, if I go for 2800kcal i gain fat.

protein: 175g
carbs: 250g
fat: 90g

How many times a week do you train?

 

[scafaJ]

For 1 year 3 times => no result
I started for 6 months 4 times => still no result
I added 1 time cardio.

My training is also good. It's something like Red Fox posted (i change it every 2-3 months)

 

[pyrobatt]

For 1 year 3 times => no result
I started for 6 months 4 times => still no result
I added 1 time cardio.

My training is also good. It's something like Red Fox posted (i change it every 2-3 months)

....at 2500 kcals you're at your maintenance ...you need to increase by about 100 to 250. See where your at then.

 

[rphash49]

I'm around 2500kcal per day, if I go for 2800kcal i gain fat.

protein: 175g
carbs: 250g
fat: 90g

Ok I know you are harping on the if I eat more I get fat but you are probably an ectomorph and you have eat a lot. I'm an ectomorph as well and if I don't eat in excess of my maintenance calories I can't gain any mass. How many days a week do you workout? How long have you been lifting? How much cardio.

 

[scafaJ]

right now I'm at maintenance because if i increase I gain a lot of fat and NO muscle! That's why I'm wondering if my T is low !?

 

[scafaJ]

For me, morphology doesn't exist but if you want, i describe me and ecto endomorph. lol

 

[pyrobatt]

Ok I know you are harping on the if I eat more I get fat but you are probably an ectomorph and you have eat a lot. I'm an ectomorph as well and if I don't eat in excess of my maintenance calories I can't gain any mass. How many days a week do you workout? How long have you been lifting? How much cardio.

I dont believe in body types but I would be a meso endo. Carb sensitive so no I cant eat as much as I want . I lift 4x a week currently 1 day of cardio been lifting 5 years. Eating more than you expend is the primary goal of gaining mass. A 100 to 200 calorie surplus won't make you fat. If you're scared of gaining any fat at all you're in the wrong place. Gain weight means gain fat. To do one without the other is extreamly difficult.

Whoops edit. Thought you were op.

 

[scafaJ]

If you see me, I'm skinny but I have more than 20% fat. I've never seen a body like mine (except my brother)

 

[pyrobatt]

If you see me, I'm skinny but I have more than 20% fat. I've never seen a body like mine (except my brother)

400 total is fine. 20% bf could be a problem. More fat you have more your body wants to store it

 

[scafaJ]

I tried to lose it, lose fat it's easier than gain muscle for me. But when I decrease 155lbs I look like an anorexic (with fat :jaw


PS: I have 4 ng/mL so => 400 ng/dl

 

[pyrobatt]

I tried to lose it, lose fat it's easier than gain muscle for me. But when I decrease 155lbs I look like an anorexic (with fat :jaw, like a gay lol

PS: I have 4 ng/mL so => 400 ng/dl

So a gay is anorexic and fat? Ill leave that one alone.

5 lbs could be about 1%. Try losing 8% . How did you get the 20% number?400 total is again. Completely fine

 

[scafaJ]

by a special machine at my gym :/

 

[pyrobatt]

by a special machine at my gym :/

Oh ..dear.... get a pair of calipers.
That 20% is wrong im guessing .

 

[scafaJ]

I ve also compared myself with example bf and i'm around 20 25%

So if you tell me that my T is ok, i have no idea why i'm like an adolescent and why i can't build some muscle

If you have some advice...

PS: my bro is like me, he has the same problem. (We don t train together)

 

[rphash49]

Bro if you are 5'11" 160 pounds and 20-25% bf I don't know what to tell you. I doubt the bf is correct

 

[AnabolicHolic]

Bro if you are 5'11" 160 pounds and 20-25% bf I don't know what to tell you. I doubt the bf is correct

Yeah he'd be from the donut species not the human species with those #'s.....mf'r must look like a buck sixty five pound Boston cream

 

[rphash49]

Yeah he'd be from the donut species not the human species with those #'s.....mf'r must look like a buck sixty five pound Boston cream

Lmao

 

[Red Fox]

Get your prolactin levels checked. High prolactin hinders muscle growth and testosterone levels.

 

[scafaJ]

I ll check it

 

[scafaJ]

What if prolactine is high? Does it explains my problem?

 

[Red Fox]

What if prolactine is high? Does it explains my problem?

None of us are doctors that I know of, so no one can tell you what your problem is. It could be as simple as people said earlier, you need far more calories than others. Go get a prescription for periactin, it's easy as hell. It'll increase your appetite 10 fold. Eat more. But prolactin could be a problem yes

 

[scafaJ]

Okay thanks dude

 

[pyrobatt]

None of us are doctors that I know of, so no one can tell you what your problem is. It could be as simple as people said earlier, you need far more calories than others. Go get a prescription for periactin, it's easy as hell. It'll increase your appetite 10 fold. Eat more. But prolactin could be a problem yes

You just suggested something that can have sedative like effects and can lower growth hormone. Lols

 

[Red Fox]

You just suggested something that can have sedative like effects and can lower growth hormone. Lols

Periactin makes you tired the first week or two thats true but it goes away. However, What? Periactin lowers GH? Are you serious???? What about Remeron (anti depressant) or Megestrol?

 

[pyrobatt]

Periactin makes you tired the first week or two thats true but it goes away. However, What? Periactin lowers GH? Are you serious???? What about Remeron (anti depressant) or Megestrol?

Yes im serious. Remeron can alter metabolism in an undesirable way. Weight gain in most*not muscle* weight loss in some and megestrol is a progesterone steroid if im correct.

 

[Red Fox]

Yes im serious. Remeron can alter metabolism in an undesirable way. Weight gain in most*not muscle* weight loss in some and megestrol is a progesterone steroid if im correct.

Yes Megestrol is primarily progesterone. How do you think that would affect body building in your opinion?

 

[pyrobatt]

Yes Megestrol is primarily progesterone. How do you think that would affect body building in your opinion?

My opinion is you're on steroids. The minor decrese in thyroid function,the lowered gh, and undesirable metabolism change is a moot point. If you need the antidepressants keep them. If you need the antihistamines keep it. Your still gaining right? Then its fine

The op doesnt need anabolics at 400 total t. He needs food .

 

[Red Fox]

My opinion is you're on steroids. The minor decrese in thyroid function,the lowered gh, and undesirable metabolism change is a moot point. If you need the antidepressants keep them. If you need the antihistamines keep it. Your still gaining right? Then its fine

The op doesnt need anabolics at 400 total t. He needs food .

Well, the thing is, I don't need any of them for what they're there for. I use them for the appetite benefits and those alone. Because I was like the OP. In high school I was 5'11 and like 125 lbs. No appetite. Still have no appetite if I don't use one of those 3

 

[scafaJ]

pyrobatt my T is 4 ng/ml not 400.

If

 

[pyrobatt]

pyrobatt my T is 4 ng/ml not 400.

If

Right but you said 400ng / dl right ?

 

[scafaJ]

Ah okay. Yes it s correct. Do I need to check my free T or it's not necesary?

 

[pyrobatt]

Ah okay. Yes it s correct. Do I need to check my free T or it's not necesary?

If you feel you need it then pick up some daa and erase and\or ergotest. Natural stack. Non anabolic

 

[scafaJ]

What about Triazole ?