G.Superior
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Trying to decide between Bioforge Promax or new Tropinol Xp. Both fadogia based products, however Im trying to figure out if anyone knows the exact amount of fadogia per capsule in tropinol xp
iforce reps or anyone who knows about tropinol
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aaronuconn
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I'm unaware. Both are great products. Topinol does contains nitrates, which are a proven ergogen pre-workout. I'd honestly run 2 bottles of one, take a 4 week break, then run 2 bottles of the other.
De__eB
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I think you'd see more benefits from tropinol xp than from promax.
But you probably wont get the dose info
G.Superior
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Thnx bro, if any reps know let me know. Im a bug guy (6'1 250lbs) anf respond best to fadogia at about 2000mg. Dosing promax at 4 caps which what I usually do will put me at that number. But I want to try the new tropinol but I gotta know how much im getting.
MuscleGauge1
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you are going to get different results from each product. I would suggest trying both products out for a full cycle to see which is better for your body. Record all results and see where that takes you. Good luck on your training.
aaronuconn
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Exactly what I suggested.
2 bottles of each, though.
VaughnTrue
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Prop blend which cannot be disclosed unfortunately. No ingredient in TXP is underdosed, it is as legit as they come.
De__eB
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dkgreene88
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Truth has been spoken
xR1pp3Rx
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Vaughn truth
dkgreene88
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I would defitely go with the iForce. You can really go wrong with them? Every product I have tried has been great and very very good prices.
G.Superior
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That I believe. I have run promax twice before and its a great supplement But its more so trying to make sure im getting the dose that works best for me. Idk, I am definitely leaning towards tropinol, but knowing for sure what dose of fadogia im getting is a big plus. Especially since im a bigger guy and need a bigger dose
PuZo
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How big exactly? I'm sure you'll be fine at the recommended dose of 4 caps.
aaronuconn
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Why not just look into Omega Sports T-Force?
G.Superior
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Im 6'1 250lbs. Have done t force and promax before as far as fadogia products go. 2000mg of fadogia is what works best for me. Only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger is the uncertainty of the amount of fadogia in xp.
1 cap im thinking would give me less than 500mg of fadogia. With the entire prop blend being 563mg, im doubting that there is only 63mgs of the other two ingredients in the blend
PuZo
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If you want fadogia then go with Promax. If you want a test-booster that also can be used as a pre-workout(with the inclusion of nitrates) along with other goodies like icariin, then simple.. Give TXP a shot.
aaronuconn
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Agreed. I'm still a fan of my idea of running both at some point (separated by a month) and comparing.TXP's acute effects (pre-workout wise) are tough to top from a testosterone booster.
criticalbench
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I would try tropinol xp since it offers much more than fadogia alone and buy extra fadogia and stack it with it, if your body doesnt feel like it has the 2000mg you enjoy. You seem to have experience with fadogia so you should be able to tell rather easy if its working or not.
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G.Superior
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Probably should have mentioned plan on stacking one of these with bulbine and x factor. I think I have decided to run tropinol. The extra goodies have sold me
aaronuconn
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Solid pick. Picking up GMS and a Carnitine source to complement the ArA?
VaughnTrue
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Compete for epic carnitine sources!
aaronuconn
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2 scoops for the Carnitine would be great. Some good literature out now that is showing Carnitine is more effective alongside carbohydrates (in regards to fat loss).
G.Superior
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Generally when I run ArA, I switch my preworkout to San Fierce Domination, which contains gms and lclt. Plus I generally switch between COMPETE or INTRABOLIC for my intra workout. If I run intrabolic I always throw in some bulk lclt. But it isnt needed with COMPETE.
Im actually very excited about this stack. Im currently running Anabeta Elite, Triazole, and Test Powder. Took about 3 1/2 weeks for it to kick in but its in full effect right now. Been cycling Ort/mag and running Macenko and its already clear that ill exceed my previous 1rm. Gonna take 4 weeks off after this stack and then run TXP, sns bulbine, and OG X Factor.
G.Superior
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For some reason I never get a great following when doing logs. Maybe I don't log anything people are interested in. I generally put up a complete review when done though
aaronuconn
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Agreed. Awesome stack.
dkgreene88
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How many logs have you done here? You only have 48posts.
I don't get that many either. I really do it for myself and for the company. I feel it goes me more motivation to get up in the morning and hit the gym hard
Loudy Rowdy
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OP, at 6'1 250lbs...are you planning to bulk or cut? (if already mentioned then I apologize for overlooking)
xR1pp3Rx
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I bet I can get a few guys in here to join your log! set one up and we can make it lively.
Loudy Rowdy
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The iforce reps seem to miss alot of logs lol
Its good to log for the personal benefits anyhow
we try... we cover at least 5 boards/forums that Im aware of...thanks for bringing it to our attention though
G.Superior
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I have tried to run 2-3 logs here and they usually end up just being me in the log. I think it's mainly because I run older supps, where the hype has died down a little around the product. But if the interest is there I will log it.
Currently sitting at 249.8lbs. Generally after running a test booster or a "muscle building" product. I run keto for four weeks in between runs. I use to be over 300lbs, and this approach has worked for me. My diet has been way off due to putting in extra hours at work, so I have put on maybe 5-7lbs that I did not want. But for the last two days it has been cleaned up and I plan to keep it that way. Will probably be down around 240-242 lbs when I go into my keto run. My guess (from past experiences) is I can get to around 230lbs when I begin TXP, Bulbine, and X Factor. I can't really call it a cut or a bulk, reason being is because I ingest alot more calories than the average person would, being that I work out 5x a week, and I work in the cargo dept at the world's busiest airport for 8-12hrs a day, 5 days a week. So my daily cal intake sits around 4500 cals. Hard to cut with that many cals but at the same time I would have to push that number higher to call it a "bulk"
aaronuconn
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The iforce reps seem to miss alot of logs lol
Its good to log for the personal benefits anyhow
It's very tough to keep up with various forums and see every log. Between forums and meetings with your teammates, reps have lives and real life responsibilities as well.
G.Superior
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Thanks for all the replies & the honest answers. I have settled on TXP but I got just two more questions.
1 - Although I know you guys can not recommend going over the dosage on the label, do you all see any problems or possible side effects with running 6 caps on workout days as oppose to 4? Or running even running 6 caps the entire time?
2 - No answer on the dosage in the prop blend is okay. What about where the fadogia is sourced from. The only two fadogia products I have tried was T-Force and Bioforge Promax. To my knowledge, Biotivia sourced their fadogia from Omega sports.
aaronuconn
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1. I wouldn't exceed 4 given the Potassium Nitrate content which its vasodilation properties are further potentiated by Epimedium (could result in BP issues - could not).
2. No answer for you, but that's cool Biotivia went straight to Omega for their fadogia. Is it a licensing issue?
De__eB
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This was discussed pretty extensively in a thread over on bb.com right around when TXP was released, and based on relative potency and maximum possible concentrations of the ingredients, the potential for issue was deemed to be pretty low.
aaronuconn
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At 6 caps vs. 4, though?
De__eB
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Time for some label analysis about dosing.
Based on molecular weight and the requirement to list potassium content, there's ~150mg of potassium nitrate per TXP pill giving around 90mg of nitrate.
In 6 pills taken at once you'd have ~540mg of nitrate.
The optimal dosing of nitrates is around 6.4-12.8mg/kg in athletic performance studies done so far, putting that right around the middle of that range.
Additionally, epimedium is an order of magnitude lower potency than viagra with regards to PDE inhibition purposes.
*Icariin* (20% standardized in TXP) is significantly effective at ~1.5mg/kg in humans for pro-erectile purposes (indicative of significant PDE action).
If you consider that the total blend in a capsule of txp is 563 mg, of which 150mg is potassium nitrate and that epimedium is the second ingredient in its blend, it would be a MAXIMUM of 201mg of epimedium (40mg Icariin) per capsule, and that's if the 25R and Forskolin were pixie dusted (they aren't) or around 240mg Icariin per six capsules. Which puts it at the middle range of studied doses of Icariin, 3mg/kg or so depending on your weight.
Remember, that's the MAXIMUM dose if other ingredients were included in minute amounts, which they aren't.
TL;DR So basically, they're dosed at a level that would work together to provide significant benefits, without anywhere near approaching the maximum safe dose for the ingredients.
G.Superior
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I was actually thinking of running the usual 4 caps pre and then another two later in the day. Not all six PRO
I thought the P.Nitrate was 58mg?
De__eB
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laneanders
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I would definitely go with Tropinol over Promax.
G.Superior
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I believe in Tropinol, my only reasons for being hesitant on purchasing was not knowing the fadogia content of each serving. 2000mg is my spot for Fadogia. Strength increases, LMB gains, and libido. Promax gives me 500mg a capsule. Ive run promax twice before at 4 caps a day and it worked for me. Looking at the ingredient panel and breaking it down a little leads me to believe the fadogia dosage is between 200 and 250mg. Even at 6 caps (although 4 caps is the label dose), im way below my sweet spot. Would love to maybe purchase some extra fadogia to maybe dose along side TXP, but my funds are not infinite
thedarce
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i know of a few people who ran tropinol xp @ 6, and i know Hgoat ran our KNO3 at 6 caps. i would honestly work your way up, if anything dose 2 AM then 4 pre workout if you wanted to up your fadogia.
but the truth is theres more to the test boosting aspects than just fadogia. give the formula a try, it is a comprehensive approach to test boosting, + the KNO3 should give a good boost to every workout
but the truth is theres more to the test boosting aspects than just fadogia. give the formula a try, it is a comprehensive approach to test boosting, + the KNO3 should give a good boost to every workout
G.Superior
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It was the extra goodies in TXP that gave it the nod over Promax. Promax worked for me twice and I have also ran Omega Sports T force with AEN' Ape and it only made it better. I am just one who responds well to it. But my desire to test out something new is overwhelming right now.
laneanders
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You definitely can take more than the recommended if you feel you achieve better results. Also with the nitrates the KNO3 product would make sure you receive efficacious doses of both fadogia and nitrates. I understand fund limitatations though, so it is as always what fits in your budget.