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1st Nootropic stack for studying/motivation

Weird, I tried 2 caps of Demiurge with Craze and noticed no significant difference. Keep in mind though that I respond really well to Craze. Just thought I would notice something in terms of enhanced focus. Oh well....everyone is different.
 
Ninjo said:
Weird, I tried 2 caps of Demiurge with Craze and noticed no significant difference. Keep in mind though that I respond really well to Craze. Just thought I would notice something in terms of enhanced focus. Oh well....everyone is different.
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2 does nothing for me. Try 10 (srs)
 
Lately I have been adding sulbutamine to my Caffein and it gives me an extra focus and happiness actually, I feel really good on it :)

Sulbutamine on its own didn't do anything for me though...
 
mcc23, you don't seem to be having much luck so far. Have you tried Alpha-GPC by itself yet? I have been taking it for years and I think it is nothing short of amazing for recall and general clearness.
 
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kisaj said:
mcc23, you don't seem to be having much luck so far. Have you tried Alpha-GPC by itself yet? I have been taking it for years and I think it is nothing short of amazing for recall and general clearness.
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No I haven't..I was considering purchasing some Aniracetam in the next month, so I'd probably end up trying A-GPC out.. It's the most expensive of the choline varieties IIRC. CDP seems like a slightly cheaper alternative
 
mcc23 said:
Mainly the "laser-focus" people always claim to get with these types of supps..
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My best advice to that would be to let it come to you instead of trying to feel what others describe. Your mind is a powerful tool and if you over think it you can literally trick yourself into not getting the effects.
 
Spaniard said:
My best advice to that would be to let it come to you instead of trying to feel what others describe. Your mind is a powerful tool and if you over think it you can literally trick yourself into not getting the effects.
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Sippin down the rest of what i put in my shaker now... Still made me wanna take a nap earlier.. I guess I'll keep the light dose and try to work up the tolerance.
 
mcc23 said:
Sippin down the rest of what i put in my shaker now... Still made me wanna take a nap earlier.. I guess I'll keep the light dose and try to work up the tolerance.
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Might have been asked before, but does caffeine make you tired? Or just choline?
 
NomZ said:
Choline can have that affect, any reason to avoid caffeine?
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probable adrenal issues. I actually just ordered an adrenal stress index kit to get cort, dhea, and progesterone levels checked..If all is good then I'll probbaly up my caff intake beyond just pwo
 
mcc23 said:
probable adrenal issues. I actually just ordered an adrenal stress index kit to get cort, dhea, and progesterone levels checked..If all is good then I'll probbaly up my caff intake beyond just pwo
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Caffeine won't affect the adrenals (adrenal fatigue is not a clinical diagnosis), so you'll be ok. :D
 
Jiigzz said:
Caffeine won't affect the adrenals (adrenal fatigue is not a clinical diagnosis), so you'll be ok. :D
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It's not a clinical diagnosis in traditional traditional practice. Adrenal insufficiency however is real.

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mcc23 said:
It's not a clinical diagnosis in traditional traditional practice. Adrenal insufficiency however is real.

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Absolutely, but caffeine won't induce it. Adrenal insufficiency is typically caused by Addisons disease (an autoimmune disease). Caffeine gets a bad rap for somehow damaging the adrenals when it shouldn't.

I'll quote Powercage here:

"When you supplement with caffeine, the body upregulates hepatic CYP enzymes which are oriented at deactivating caffeine. Naturally, in order to produce an equivalent effect, you have to supplement with more and more caffeine. Similarly, the body upregulates central adenosine receptors and so caffeine literally decreases in potency. If you decrease your dose of caffeine, or cease administration, you will have a withdrawl period (headaches, fatigue) which is simply due to the latter mechanism. Eventually, the adenosine receptors downregulate and you return to baseline.

Fitness "experts" don't understand biology/pharmacology, and blame "adrenal fatigue." Others are trying to make money off of peoples ignorance (i.e. adrenal fatigue supplements).

Animal studies have clearly shown that the only way to produce adrenal medulla insufficiency is to physically denervate the organ. You can produce temporary adrenal medulla atrophy with longstanding absence of leptin, cortisol, or corticotropin. The latter two can be induced with exogenous supplementation of glucocorticoids (i.e. prednisone), although the main effect will be directed towards the adrenal cortex (i.e. actual adrenal insufficiency).

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Jiigzz said:
Absolutely, but caffeine won't induce it. Adrenal insufficiency is typically caused by Addisons disease (an autoimmune disease). Caffeine gets a bad rap for somehow damaging the adrenals when it shouldn't.

I'll quote Powercage here:

"When you supplement with caffeine, the body upregulates hepatic CYP enzymes which are oriented at deactivating caffeine. Naturally, in order to produce an equivalent effect, you have to supplement with more and more caffeine. Similarly, the body upregulates central adenosine receptors and so caffeine literally decreases in potency. If you decrease your dose of caffeine, or cease administration, you will have a withdrawl period (headaches, fatigue) which is simply due to the latter mechanism. Eventually, the adenosine receptors downregulate and you return to baseline.

Fitness "experts" don't understand biology/pharmacology, and blame "adrenal fatigue." Others are trying to make money off of peoples ignorance (i.e. adrenal fatigue supplements).

Animal studies have clearly shown that the only way to produce adrenal medulla insufficiency is to physically denervate the organ. You can produce temporary adrenal medulla atrophy with longstanding absence of leptin, cortisol, or corticotropin. The latter two can be induced with exogenous supplementation of glucocorticoids (i.e. prednisone), although the main effect will be directed towards the adrenal cortex (i.e. actual adrenal insufficiency).

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http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/adr...atigue/AN01583"
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I think the misconception is that caffeine causes release of noradrenaline and cortisol because the body views it as a chemical stressor on the body, and therefore overtime the adrenals become "fatigued" from over stimulation for so long..We'll see what happens with this test kit that I bought..Cost a pretty penny but atleast I can rule out any cortisol/dhea deficiency issues


edit: I should add that the former would be as a result of secondary AI
 
mcc23 said:
I think the misconception is that caffeine causes release of noradrenaline and cortisol because the body views it as a chemical stressor on the body, and therefore overtime the adrenals become "fatigued" from over stimulation for so long..We'll see what happens with this test kit that I bought..Cost a pretty penny but atleast I can rule out any cortisol/dhea deficiency issues


edit: I should add that the former would be as a result of secondary AI
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How much do you consume on a daily basis? If your pre contains ~200mg or more, then I would just stick with caffeine free Focus XT and then get some caffeine tabs to dose concurrently on days you need an extra boost. That way you can dose Focus XT and caffeine to your liking.

Or, just purchase ALCAR seperatly if Choline continues to make you drowsy. Cooper made a good thread on ALCAR (titled: Me, My Brain and Alcar) which has interesting insight on dosing.
 
Jiigzz said:
How much do you consume on a daily basis? If your pre contains ~200mg or more, then I would just stick with caffeine free Focus XT and then get some caffeine tabs to dose concurrently on days you need an extra boost. That way you can dose Focus XT and caffeine to your liking.

Or, just purchase ALCAR seperatly if Choline continues to make you drowsy. Cooper made a good thread on ALCAR (titled: Me, My Brain and Alcar) which has interesting insight on dosing.
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I have caffeine tablets that I use when I make my pwo blend.. I use between 200-300 mg. Usually 300 on a leg day...I also have 50g ALCAR.. I usually dose 1/2 scoop of Caff Free Focus-XT + an additional gram of ALCAR.. I start feeling a little something if I add 1.5 g ALCAR.
 
mcc23 said:
I have caffeine tablets that I use when I make my pwo blend.. I use between 200-300 mg. Usually 300 on a leg day...I also have 50g ALCAR.. I usually dose 1/2 scoop of Caff Free Focus-XT + an additional gram of ALCAR.. I start feeling a little something if I add 1.5 g ALCAR.
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That's typically my caffeine range as well, except I dose 100mg preWO and 200mg pre study. Have you tried dosing ALCAR at 2g without Focus XT?
 
Ninjo said:
Weird, I tried 2 caps of Demiurge with Craze and noticed no significant difference. Keep in mind though that I respond really well to Craze. Just thought I would notice something in terms of enhanced focus. Oh well....everyone is different.
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So while 2 caps of Demiurge did nothing to enhance the effect of Craze on my workouts, I've been taking two caps in the afternoon for the last two days (without any caffeine) and the degree to which I've been able to focus at work is very noticeable. I've gotten more work done the last two days than I typically do in a week! Hmmmm....
 
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