Summer PH/DS Cycle Prep
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smshannon001
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knowing Cooky.. he will start with 2 wet compounds and bridge with Superdrol and finish with 3 dry haha
if you want to do more than 6 weeks, maybe try
Tren (PH/DS) and Epi for 6 weeks
add superdrol in weeks 5-7/8 if you are still seeing gains
start pct week 8/9
gonna need some good liver aids and maybe something stronger than Vitex during the cross over between tren/SD
not sure what other products you got on hand Cooky
cookie1
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Dat smshannon.He helped me with my cycle too!. Well Cooky32 I'm really concerned about liver... you should think again about injectables, it won't be as toxic as pill form, but you have to research more about the pining methods and all that stuff .I don't know anything more about injectables so idk if it has more benefits or bad side effects. Good Luck bro.
smshannon001
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injects have many benefits that are also negatives depending on the user..
for example:
socially
if someone is seen "popping a pill" by someone who is overly curious, it could easily be explained away as a vitamin.. a needle is a little harder haha
safety
more research has been done on the "old school" hormones and more people who are willing to spend the $$ on injects/ old school AAS will also be willing to post blood work
the old school injects have been around longer and have many logs and/or reviews to look at.. whereas new PH or DS seem to come out every year with different or confusing nomenclature
physically
the different esters (ie test PROP or CYP, etc) remain in the body for different periods of time which is great if you are looking to cycle for 10-14 weeks (most likely a no-no with orals cause of liver enzyme issues)
but some of those longer esters, like boldenone undeconate (if i remember correctly) can be found in drug tests a year later
theres always + and - to the dark side.. just gotta see whats important and/or realistic for every individual and their lifestyle/job
thinking of going old school next year!
Cooky32
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Being in the armed forces I have to be careful. I know they dont test for stuff but I gotta be careful cause people talk. I understand the benefits if pinning. I also need to be on something that wont last long in my system. I compete so far in federations that do random tests. The military nationals are possibly tested next march. I gotta do what u gotta do for now.
cookie1
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We'll I know that most injectables stay in your system for a really long period. But in his case orals is the best choice + I think orals are for your first cycles to see how your body reacts to PH/AAS/TEST.Imagine you are a newbie and you want to taste a little bit of the dark side. If your take an injectable and you come across really bad sides then you'll have to wait week/s till its half life pass and you will carry on with them , but with an oral you can get away from them in a few hours .However, orals can destroy your liver if you don't know what you are doing.
srblan
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Test Susp clears in about a day, deca can take a year to 18 months, so it's tough to generalize based on the delivery method. Detection time on Dbol is 5-6 weeks, var and winny oral are about 3.
But yeah, livers hate long oral cycles.
stamp_on_kids
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I think nice mild short oral cycles are a good place to start so you can figure out if you have the dedication to go thru the sides and pct before taking harsher stuff that can cause bigger issues.
cookie1
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By the way guys its smshannon thread I don't think is cool to talk about another dudes cycle. Cooky32 create a thread bro with all the stuff that you are thinking. I will be really pleased to see your final idea. Smshannon, whats your final cycle? And will you log it or post before and after pictures?
Cooky32
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He as in smshannon invited me to this thread. He and I go way back. If I do an oral cycle, which I have been doing for nearly 9 YEARS off and on I usually mix a methyl and a non methyl. I care for my liver. Detox my body from time to time. I dont eat junk. My bloodwork is good. My bp is perfect. Cholesterol is great. My liver works fine. I get a physical every year. Im 236 today and around 14% bf. Im a powerlifter. I dont bodybuild anymore. I still use some of the training techniques, but anyway.
smshannon001
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some designers are as harsh if not more harsh than "real" gear
but you are correct, its not a bad idea to see if you have the dedication/mindset to get the most out of your gear (be it PH or AAS) by doin a 4-6 weeker
1. train natural for a while and make sure you can make gains that way with a dialed diet and try out diff training styles/routines
2. move to PH if you feel the need AFTER you got #1 sorted
3. research til ur eyes pop outta ur head on AAS cycle length, pct, cycle support, emergency supps for side effects
4. go to the dark side and reap the benefits!
cant wait to do #4, hopefully in a year
.Ive researched so much that I am having dreams about it. Brain washed I guess: S
smshannon001
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sry didnt see ur question!
ill make a new thread in the middle of June with all the final details and will log improvements every few days, if i have time (which i should on most days) ill throw in diet details (measurements/quantities cause im anal) and training routines...
basically i was cutting for a competition (from 93kg to 81kg) that was supposed to be 3-4 weeks ago and it got postponed indefinitely (so unprofessional, i could go on a rant but it wont change anythin!).. this week ive been slowly adding carbs and cals and stopped the precontest diet and will continue to carb cycle and increase cal averages for the week
(ie. i was at 2200 a day.. this week 2300.. next week 2400.. til i get back to about 2600ish)
on cycle training:
will prob do the first 3 weeks of the cycle like this:
2-1-3-1 (2 on, 1 off, 3 on, 1 off)
example:
On: Squats/quad leg day
On: arms abs
Off: low intensity cardio/abs/calves
On: chest
On: back/hammys (deadlifts)
On: shoulders abs
Off: low intensity cardio abs calves
Repeat
then once the juice is flowin nicely after these 3 weeks ill increase from a 7 day split to an 8 day split (3-1-3-1) for the last 3 weeks
on: legs/squats
on: back WIDTH, bicep, calves
on: chest PRESSES, shoulder RAISES, Triceps
off: light cardio abs calves
on: legs/deads
on: middle back**** biceps calves
on: shoulder PRESSES, chest FLYs, Triceps
off: light cardio abs calves
Repeat
these splits should allow for proper recovery, but if i feel like im overtraining than i can always decrease volume or rest
**** hopefully i can do rows after deadlifts the day before! would be mostly cable rows and hammer strength on that day anyway (after barbell row of course!)
cookie1
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Great!!I cant wait your results.I never thought this kind of split (chest presses, shoulder rises-chest flys, shoulder presses). I was thinking of doing the same work out but one heavy and one light day.. However,despite the fact that i will be on gear (faster recovery),I was worried +about over training, but your plan looks fantastic I'm thinking of using your split: P.
smshannon001
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got too much time on my hands during lunch hours so grabbed a notebook and wrote my cycle info, support supps, macros/nutrient ideas, training routines haha
ive done the rotating chest and shoulder presses with raises before.. usually i split chest and shoulder days for recovery purposes but ive been focusing on shoulders a lot recently so for the cycle i wanna get some thickness in my Back back (reason for doin it 2times a week and puttin shoulders on chest day to free up a day for back)
i wrote 4 training routines, two 2-1-3-1 and two 3-1-3-1 routines... and had to do eenie meenie miney mo to decide!
the other 2-1-3-1
quads/shoulder raises
back width/ tri
light cardio abs calves
hams/shoulder press
mid back/ traps/abs
chest/bicep
light cardio abs calves
the other 3-1-3-1
chest/ tri
back (row day)/bicep
shoulders/legs (squat day)*
light cardio calves abs
chest/ tri
back (deadlifts and pullup movements) /bicep
shoulders/legs (leg press day)*
(still gonna do hamstring movements on leg day of course just want to throw in Leg Press every week since ive been using squats/hack squat/ and V-Squat recently)
EDIT:
the 3-1-3-1 in this post looks like a 3on1off repeat, but it would be done in a non-linear periodization style
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cookie1
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Ow I see ..your plan is great! well my chest my traps and shoulders are my best body parts too . .. but I had a really bad injury and I can't do DLifts because my lower back is almost destroyed: ( ,my legs are awful too... I wasn't able to train them for 4 months (I broke my foot in the middle while I was playing football... ).So when I begin the cycle I will focus more at the lagging parts. Especially legs and biceps (they don't have a peak: ( )
Cooky32
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100mg of tren a day. Day 4 today.
I feel good. Strength is gradually improving but too soon to tell definitively.
Pumps are noticeably better. Im eating a moderate to. Low carb diet.
3 days a week are power days. Bench, squat Deadlifts.
4th and sometimes 5th day is delts, arms, traps, and back. Posterior chain work and assistance work mixed in on power days.
Im not a bodybuilder. No offense to them. I was one. I just love this more
I feel good. Strength is gradually improving but too soon to tell definitively.
Pumps are noticeably better. Im eating a moderate to. Low carb diet.
3 days a week are power days. Bench, squat Deadlifts.
4th and sometimes 5th day is delts, arms, traps, and back. Posterior chain work and assistance work mixed in on power days.
Im not a bodybuilder. No offense to them. I was one. I just love this more
smshannon001
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get strong son!
soon youll be benchin 500 yeah buddy!
DUDE they asked me today when i want the show? WTF is wrong with these people! i already stopped the diet 10 days ago and have been gorging on dates/figs haha
they want to do it 3 days after my all you can eat/drink brunch... ima try and have it moved again.. so annoying!
smshannon001
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June 10th: (if they move it again shame on me for believing!)
sent a MSG to your .mil about the Peak Week.. its 90% what you prescribed with a slight change on that will prob not make any difference anyway
back on the diet again, starting with high day of course since its leg day!
gonna try and keep cals at 1800-1900 on low carb days and 2400 on high carb day
300 cho
100 cho
100 cho
80 cho
repeat
Daily cardio:
20mins stairs post workout at just above medium intensity (dropped 10mins from the stairs and added the walking cause i was losin muscle)
1 short walk 20-25min post workout (4 days a week)
1 long walk in the PM about 35-45mins
Zach Strom
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Just spotted this log and im in for this. Hope it's not bunked now. I'm a week in now to my Trenavar/Epi cycle. *Note the Tren is the estra-4 version not the trenazone. But im running it at 60/90/90/90 and Epi at 40/60/60/60. Might add another week or two depending on my results at week 4.
smshannon001
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i wont be starting til june 27ish!
so you will be in PCT by then, you should start a log so i can follow yours and learn from your mistakes (i pray theres none though!) hahaa!
so you will be in PCT by then, you should start a log so i can follow yours and learn from your mistakes (i pray theres none though!) hahaa!
Zach Strom
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I regret not doing one! Strength gains have just began to hit me the past 3 days actually. Deadlift from beginning of cycle went from 505 to now 525 1rm. I'm loving it. I have so much focus and aggression in the gym which I love. You should love it dude
smshannon001
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60mg epi is gonna be some strong stuff bro.. you used it before? you might get pretty lethargic
Zach Strom
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I've seen logs up to 90 on Epi with great great results. I'm not one to over-dose a compound, but I feel with 60 will be great for a constant rate. Maybe just stick with 90 on the tren the whole way through and see how it does. My sleep has felt great, but I seem to not get as much of it, maybe due to the recovery properties? I normally fall asleep around 11-11:30 and wake up naturally at around 8-9. (I work from 11-7, im here now actually). I feel very good once I get out a bed, maybe give it 10 minutes. I don't feel like a drag in the morning like usual either
smshannon001
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whats ur pct look like
Zach Strom
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Clomid or Nolva (haven't decided yet), Creatine, Cycle Support, AI thrown into the 3rd week, Pre-Workout, DAA.
I'm actually gonna be adding in Clen next Tuesday, I got off of it 2 weeks ago. add some taurine and hawthorn berry for the bp
I'm actually gonna be adding in Clen next Tuesday, I got off of it 2 weeks ago. add some taurine and hawthorn berry for the bp
smshannon001
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nice i was thinking of adding t3 the last 4 weeks of my cycle
Zach Strom
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If you're gonna do that, stack it with Clen. T3 and Clen work amazingly well together, provided your diet, training etc is in check (As Usual)
smshannon001
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would you run the clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off and the T3 for the entire time (ramp up ramp down)?
Zach Strom
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Well my personal experience (Everyone does it differently). I did 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, with the T3 running just those 2 weeks. I'm actually really excited to start it up again this Tuesday. Some people run it for a month straight but use a sleep aid. You have to be prepared for them clen shakes though, they'll hit you if you aren't ready for it. For a beginner, i'd do 20/20/40/40/60/60/80/80/100/100/120/120/100/100.
You don't even have to go that high, but some people do. You will sweat a good amount. I would avoid a pre-workout since your bp will already be up. Some people run an ECA stack in between the 2 weeks. I just chose not to for financial reasons.
*Update* on the Tren/Epi stack. Bumped the Tren up to 90mg a day and the Epi at 60. I had a pretty solid aggression issue earlier haha was very irritable. But if you can control it go for it. Thankfully the sides haven't been that bad yet and no shutdown yet. I might just keep it at this dose for the remainder of the 6 weeks. Make sure you're running Taurine and Potassium (at least a few bananas) or those joints and cramps will get ya
You don't even have to go that high, but some people do. You will sweat a good amount. I would avoid a pre-workout since your bp will already be up. Some people run an ECA stack in between the 2 weeks. I just chose not to for financial reasons.
*Update* on the Tren/Epi stack. Bumped the Tren up to 90mg a day and the Epi at 60. I had a pretty solid aggression issue earlier haha was very irritable. But if you can control it go for it. Thankfully the sides haven't been that bad yet and no shutdown yet. I might just keep it at this dose for the remainder of the 6 weeks. Make sure you're running Taurine and Potassium (at least a few bananas) or those joints and cramps will get ya
Zach Strom
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I know this isn't my log man, but thought I'd tell ya. Tren is at 90mg ed now (15mg caps). The Epi at 80mg and keeping it there (20mg caps). I just don't wanna leave the gym it gets so intense. Not even through my 2nd week and i can only imagine the 6th week right now. I'm keeping lifts higher rep medium weight so I don't tear myself up too badly. I'll lift heavy during PCT, just don't wanna hurt the joints. Conditioning went very well too. All lifts are very solid, Not too much physical change yet, but my delts are coming in a lot better. I've heard you don't see them til at least week 3 so I'm excited. Lifts are high though and definite rep increases.
smshannon001
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chip in as much as you want.. this was just a pre log to get ideas
20mg caps? which brand is that or did you cap them yourself?
80mg epi? thats big stuff! especially this early in your run... hope your joints are good and your lethargy doesnt kick in too hard
my first epi run i got lethargic at the mid/end of week 4 and was only at 40mg
Zach Strom
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Haha the lethargy is definitely present. My friend caps his own epi, trenavar, halodrol, p-mag and stacks. triple filtered. They're always very high quality, and he's been around doing it for ages. Owner gentleman with lots of experience in this field. I used to run OG Erase at like 4-6 caps a day and was fine joint wise. If u want u can throw in taurine/potassium for the joints/cramping. I'm throwing in Clen back into the mix this tuesday as i said before, just ending my 2 week break of it. After this cycle ends pct, i'm gonna take a good 2-3 months to go hard natty and repair myself.
Once i get into gym mode, i don't want to leave at all. My bp has been normal which I'm happy about, even when using a high stim pre-workout occasionally (OG Hyde by ProSupps, the legend itself) So as long as 419mg of caffeine in one serving isn't raising it, im okay. If it starts to climb, i'll throw hawthorn berry in. I definitely won't be using a pre-workout when im on clen. I've used it before and know I don't need one. Any distinct questions man feel free to message me for something more in-depth
Once i get into gym mode, i don't want to leave at all. My bp has been normal which I'm happy about, even when using a high stim pre-workout occasionally (OG Hyde by ProSupps, the legend itself) So as long as 419mg of caffeine in one serving isn't raising it, im okay. If it starts to climb, i'll throw hawthorn berry in. I definitely won't be using a pre-workout when im on clen. I've used it before and know I don't need one. Any distinct questions man feel free to message me for something more in-depth
Zach Strom
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Like the past 3 days, i've been at the gym for a solid 3-4 hours just lifting and doing heavy conditioning. Of course throwing in protein shakes and karbolic every now and then to prevent catabolism. sip bcaas the whole time (Xtend, Furk yeah scivation!)
smshannon001
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i got 2kg of nutras bcaa powder and got a steal on some bcaa tabs (enough for 12/day for the duration of my cycle)
xtend tastes bomb and mixes well, but NP 'modern bcaa' was a better price
cant wait to go home and live off supplements haha
all i got right now is a multi and protein (overpriced in the UAE)
and a bottle of thermofuse thats runnin low
Zach Strom
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I'm sure you already answered this before, but are you trying to do this for a cut/recomp or bulk??
smshannon001
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gonna be a lean bulk.. ive cut about 10kg in the last few months in contest prep so i dont want to all out bulk and add a bunch of fat because ill be starting the cycle about 3 weeks after the show date
so ill continue a cab cycle after the show and slowly add carb meals in so i dont bloat and get fat (except for a weekend brunch or 2 that i have planned!)
once i create a new log for the cycle ill have training and nutrition all lined up
looks like ill do a 2 on 1 off 3 on 1 off training schedule
off days will be cardio/abs and low carb (ill be doing light cardio on lifting days every now and again like walking up hills)
leg and back days will have high carbs
chest, shoulder, arms will have medium carbs
after 3 weeks of the cycle ill switch to 3 on 1 off
diet will change depending on how i look/feel
training style: non-linear periodization style going for strength training at the beginning of the week and "bobybuilding style" at the end of the week
will have a 1 week "de-load" (if necessary) after 3 weeks when i go from 2/1/3/1 to 3/1/3/1 where ill keep weights at 65%-70%
Zach Strom
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I actually was doing a CKD diet for a while (Lowest I got down to was 40g a day!!!)
Now I'm slowly adding them back in, especially while on cycle. The pumps I'm getting are great with it and looking fuller all the time.
Hit chest and tris today, swear my lifts have gone up every day. I like to warm up with a hammer strength chest press and a pec deck, and I was doing the whole stack for pec deck with slow, good form reps. I was so pumped! I'm hoping to see and follow your log on this! The only thing that really is hitting me is the lethargy from a high Epi dose. It really does kick in after my 2nd dosing during the day. I feel so out of it it's not funny. But once I hit the weights i'm back in the zone and never wanna leave! I missed my clen today so i'll start the 2 weeks tomorrow, which isn't a big deal for me really
smshannon001
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watch that blood pressure!
yea hopefully the stano will keep my lethargy at bay... i remember when i was taking classes in the morning and training in the evening on EPI after the 3rd week i was napping almost every afternoon after class
but once the blood starts pumpin in the gym i felt "ON" and ready to go!
was that 40g TOTAL carbs or NET carbs, did you subtract fiber and/or count veggie carbs
yea hopefully the stano will keep my lethargy at bay... i remember when i was taking classes in the morning and training in the evening on EPI after the 3rd week i was napping almost every afternoon after class
but once the blood starts pumpin in the gym i felt "ON" and ready to go!
was that 40g TOTAL carbs or NET carbs, did you subtract fiber and/or count veggie carbs
Zach Strom
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It was total net carbs. I even after my first dose feel the lethargy is on pretty good haha
smshannon001
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for the last 2 weeks my carbs have been like this
(legs) High 175-200
(chest) low 100
(back) low 90-100
(shoulders) low 80
(arms) low 70
thats total carbs including fiber and veggies and misc carbs from egg whites and meats... needless to say im a depressing individual by the end of low day 4
cant wait til friday where i can have some sweet potato
this is not a normal split for me, i usually hit the body over a 4 day period but needed the extra day between body parts to recover since carbs are low
(legs) High 175-200
(chest) low 100
(back) low 90-100
(shoulders) low 80
(arms) low 70
thats total carbs including fiber and veggies and misc carbs from egg whites and meats... needless to say im a depressing individual by the end of low day 4
cant wait til friday where i can have some sweet potato
this is not a normal split for me, i usually hit the body over a 4 day period but needed the extra day between body parts to recover since carbs are low
Zach Strom
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I've slowly been introducing carbs back into my diet. No more CKD for now haha oh! and started the clen finally today again!
smshannon001
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feelin so fat after my contest haha... its been a week of eating anything i see
got my flights booked!
cycle should start the 27th
ill create a new thread for the log
got my flights booked!
cycle should start the 27th
ill create a new thread for the log
Zach Strom
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Let me know when you do! I'm definitely in for it. Today begins my last week of the trenavar and epistane....It's a sad day today. I've loved this entire cycle. Though I was cutting up the whole time on it, I preserved and gained lean mass while blowing the fat away!
smshannon001
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hopefully i blow some fat away too... i went from my AVI pic to a fat arse in 1 week
hopefully its half bloat though...hopefully...
diet will clean up when i get home next week, gotta eat everything in my press before i leave (good excuse to grub)
hopefully its half bloat though...hopefully...
diet will clean up when i get home next week, gotta eat everything in my press before i leave (good excuse to grub)
Zach Strom
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I'm down to having 5-6 small meals a day with protein every meal. Protein shake after workout with a tiny bit of sugar just to help with glycogen. Lowering my sodium a bunch to keep of that water retention cause my body tends to hold more water than others