Pes Erase questions

[jswain34]

Regarding anacyclus or 'spanish chamomile' (main ingredient in og anabeta) Yes an effect stronger than testosterone is highly debatable. First the only study was done on rats and we all know ur test doesnt jump immediately after a pin even with test suspension it still takes time to raise blood levels. So how long after the pinned group a rats and chamomile fed group b rats before they derived a conclusion that it was "more anabolic than testosterone?" This is just one factor and again the study was done on rats. Were the rats tested in a way that results could have been mistaken for natural rat testosterone spikes. For instance humans have higher levels in morning or after sex etc. Theres too many variables to believe that claim even though the results of that particular study suggest it. Now with the revised new anabeta elite with added ingredients I question why ingredients were added if the ac pyrethium already did the trick well enough. Is it because the results from ac pyrethrum were also highly debatable? So theres my argument for that, for what its worth. My other question would be how *5-Adrosten-3ß,7ß-diol-17-one* in anabeta elite and Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione in erase differ? Im no chemist but the nomenclature seem awfully similar. Would it be safe to assume their mechanisms are similar to other 7-oxygented dhea compounds?
Ive done my research

Just because nomenclature is "similar" doesn't mean they don't have entirely different effects within the body. Also, 2 carbon carbon double bonds vs 2 alcohol groups (one of the differences in the nomenclature) really is quite a large difference. Similarly, having 2 ketone groups vs 1 ketone group would also make a difference. But I'm in for the knowledge bomb to get dropped in here from somebody.

 

[mr.cooper69]

Regarding anacyclus or 'spanish chamomile' (main ingredient in og anabeta) Yes an effect stronger than testosterone is highly debatable. First the only study was done on rats and we all know ur test doesnt jump immediately after a pin even with test suspension it still takes time to raise blood levels. So how long after the pinned group a rats and chamomile fed group b rats before they derived a conclusion that it was "more anabolic than testosterone?" This is just one factor and again the study was done on rats. Were the rats tested in a way that results could have been mistaken for natural rat testosterone spikes. For instance humans have higher levels in morning or after sex etc. Theres too many variables to believe that claim even though the results of that particular study suggest it. Now with the revised new anabeta elite with added ingredients I question why ingredients were added if the ac pyrethium already did the trick well enough. Is it because the results from ac pyrethrum were also highly debatable? So theres my argument for that, for what its worth. My other question would be how *5-Adrosten-3ß,7ß-diol-17-one* in anabeta elite and Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione in erase differ? Im no chemist but the nomenclature seem awfully similar. Would it be safe to assume their mechanisms are similar to other 7-oxygented dhea compounds?
Ive done my research

Every study has a length of administration...in this case, 4 weeks.

Natural testosterone fluctuations do not account for 100-300% fluctuations in plasma levels lol

The whole point of a controlled trial, be it human or murine, is to control for these kinds of factors...

No offense but this is not research! The compound in Erase is very different from 7-b-oh btw

 

[bdcc]

We released AnaBeta Elite because we wanted to create an exclusive product for a retailer before releasing it to the market. You can also see this with Erase Pro. Additions were made to strengthen the formula. If the original versions weren't good enough we would have reformulated rather than releasing a superior version to sell alongside it.

With AnaBeta we made inclusions based on human data to further strengthen a very popular product.

There is no hidden conspiracy. We did not reformulate the product because the original didn't work. The original had 20~ beta testers on this forum (myself included) before it was brought to market. We were and still are very happy with the product.

Keep in mind that the product turnover for PES is so low that we do not release something we are not happy with.

 

[LiveToLift]

We released AnaBeta Elite because we wanted to create an exclusive product for a retailer before releasing it to the market. You can also see this with Erase Pro. Additions were made to strengthen the formula. If the original versions weren't good enough we would have reformulated rather than releasing a superior version to sell alongside it.

With AnaBeta we made inclusions based on human data to further strengthen a very popular product.

There is no hidden conspiracy. We did not reformulate the product because the original didn't work. The original had 20~ beta testers on this forum (myself included) before it was brought to market. We were and still are very happy with the product.

Keep in mind that the product turnover for PES is so low that we do not release something we are not happy with.

Very well put.

 

[aceroni]

We released AnaBeta Elite because we wanted to create an exclusive product for a retailer before releasing it to the market. You can also see this with Erase Pro. Additions were made to strengthen the formula. If the original versions weren't good enough we would have reformulated rather than releasing a superior version to sell alongside it.

With AnaBeta we made inclusions based on human data to further strengthen a very popular product.

There is no hidden conspiracy. We did not reformulate the product because the original didn't work. The original had 20~ beta testers on this forum (myself included) before it was brought to market. We were and still are very happy with the product.

Keep in mind that the product turnover for PES is so low that we do not release something we are not happy with.

Very well put.

Let me start off by saying I am not a rep.
I was very happy with both Anabeta and Anabeta elite and erase and erase pro I am not a rep and paid for each the original time I used them.
I have been and will continue to be a repeat buyer.
PES does not need to hype or advertise their products, the results speak for themselves.

 

[BPjohn123]

Let me start off by saying I am not a rep.
I was very happy with both Anabeta and Anabeta elite and erase and erase pro I am not a rep and paid for each the original time I used them.
I have been and will continue to be a repeat buyer.
PES does not need to hype or advertise their products, the results speak for themselves.

We appreciate the support and kind words ace. Thank you

 

[aceroni]

We appreciate the support and kind words ace. Thank you

I tell it like it is John!

 

[LiveToLift]

Let me start off by saying I am not a rep.
I was very happy with both Anabeta and Anabeta elite and erase and erase pro I am not a rep and paid for each the original time I used them.
I have been and will continue to be a repeat buyer.
PES does not need to hype or advertise their products, the results speak for themselves.

You the man ace.

 

[Imskyhigh87]

vascularity still up. strength is steady

 

[BPjohn123]

vascularity still up. strength is steady

Awesome!!

 

[Aleksandar37]

vascularity still up. strength is steady

Picture speaks for itself! Thank you so much for putting that up.

 

[LiveToLift]

vascularity still up. strength is steady

Road map! Veins all over the damn place!

 

[Imskyhigh87]

We released AnaBeta Elite because we wanted to create an exclusive product for a retailer before releasing it to the market. You can also see this with Erase Pro. Additions were made to strengthen the formula. If the original versions weren't good enough we would have reformulated rather than releasing a superior version to sell alongside it.

With AnaBeta we made inclusions based on human data to further strengthen a very popular product.

There is no hidden conspiracy. We did not reformulate the product because the original didn't work. The original had 20~ beta testers on this forum (myself included) before it was brought to market. We were and still are very happy with the product.

Keep in mind that the product turnover for PES is so low that we do not release something we are not happy with.

As for the whole anabeta thing Im not trying to act like its a conspiracy lmao I just know that logs can be biased and studies can be funded. I cant help being skeptical. and Ya it still seems a little far fetched that its more anabolic than testosterone suspension, but you know what, what the hell Ill prolly give it a try anyway down the road sometime just to cure my curiosity.

 

[Imskyhigh87]

Dinner
Shrimp, mashed potatoes, chicken, zuchinni and a big *** cut of roast washed down with whole vit d milk. Mmmm 1000+cal meals

 

[bdcc]

As for the whole anabeta thing Im not trying to act like its a conspiracy lmao I just know that logs can be biased and studies can be funded. I cant help being skeptical. and Ya it still seems a little far fetched that its more anabolic than testosterone suspension, but you know what, what the hell Ill prolly give it a try anyway down the road sometime just to cure my curiosity.

In your post you suggested the reason we brought out AnaBeta Elite was because OG AnaBeta didn't work well enough on it's own.

Now with the revised new anabeta elite with added ingredients I question why ingredients were added if the ac pyrethium already did the trick well enough. Is it because the results from ac pyrethrum were also highly debatable?

I was just clearing the air for any customers reading this. We brought out AnaBeta Elite so we could run an exclusive on a brand new product, not because we didn't think AnaBeta worked well on it's own.

Logs can be biased, you are right. For what it's worth when I first ran AnaBeta-01 I told Josh I can take photos but I wasn't planning on it because I don't expect visible results from a natural anabolic. He told me to take photos. He also wouldn't tell me anything to look for in the product i.e. hunger, muscle fullness etc. I was surprised at how honestly he let me run it.

My log has photos and very honest feedback. At one point I said four capsules felt too strong for me and I was struggling to keep up with that dose due to the hunger. If you want a genuinely unbiased log, look at mine.

 

[Imskyhigh87]

In your post you suggested the reason we brought out AnaBeta Elite was because OG AnaBeta didn't work well enough on it's own.

I was just clearing the air for any customers reading this. We brought out AnaBeta Elite so we could run an exclusive on a brand new product, not because we didn't think AnaBeta worked well on it's own.

Logs can be biased, you are right. For what it's worth when I first ran AnaBeta-01 I told Josh I can take photos but I wasn't planning on it because I don't expect visible results from a natural anabolic. He told me to take photos. He also wouldn't tell me anything to look for in the product i.e. hunger, muscle fullness etc. I was surprised at how honestly he let me run it.

My log has photos and very honest feedback. At one point I said four capsules felt too strong for me and I was struggling to keep up with that dose due to the hunger. If you want a genuinely unbiased log, look at mine.

... Ya I dont really care, gee willakers batman pes reps stole my thread, gtfo

 

[Imskyhigh87]

Breakfast of champs

 

[LiveToLift]

As for the whole anabeta thing Im not trying to act like its a conspiracy lmao I just know that logs can be biased and studies can be funded. I cant help being skeptical. and Ya it still seems a little far fetched that its more anabolic than testosterone suspension, but you know what, what the hell Ill prolly give it a try anyway down the road sometime just to cure my curiosity.

Log it! I'll follow!

 

[LiveToLift]

These food pics are making me crazy!

 

[determinator]

... Ya I dont really care, gee willakers batman pes reps stole my thread, gtfo

you sorta started it by knocking anabeta before trying it lol don't hate..that info has more regards to "PES ERASE QUESTIONS" than your food pics do lol just saying I haven't tried either yet but deff gunna do an anabeta and erase cycle right after my current one and then anabeta elite and erase pro alittle after just to check them out and see the differences in my body like everyone else has..before and after pics speak for themselves IMO but thats why im TRYING it to get my own opinion of them.

 

[WayneD]

In your post you suggested the reason we brought out AnaBeta Elite was because OG AnaBeta didn't work well enough on it's own.

I was just clearing the air for any customers reading this. We brought out AnaBeta Elite so we could run an exclusive on a brand new product, not because we didn't think AnaBeta worked well on it's own.

Logs can be biased, you are right. For what it's worth when I first ran AnaBeta-01 I told Josh I can take photos but I wasn't planning on it because I don't expect visible results from a natural anabolic. He told me to take photos. He also wouldn't tell me anything to look for in the product i.e. hunger, muscle fullness etc. I was surprised at how honestly he let me run it.

My log has photos and very honest feedback. At one point I said four capsules felt too strong for me and I was struggling to keep up with that dose due to the hunger. If you want a genuinely unbiased log, look at mine.

Can you post the link to your log

 

[WayneD]

In your post you suggested the reason we brought out AnaBeta Elite was because OG AnaBeta didn't work well enough on it's own.

I was just clearing the air for any customers reading this. We brought out AnaBeta Elite so we could run an exclusive on a brand new product, not because we didn't think AnaBeta worked well on it's own.

Logs can be biased, you are right. For what it's worth when I first ran AnaBeta-01 I told Josh I can take photos but I wasn't planning on it because I don't expect visible results from a natural anabolic. He told me to take photos. He also wouldn't tell me anything to look for in the product i.e. hunger, muscle fullness etc. I was surprised at how honestly he let me run it.

My log has photos and very honest feedback. At one point I said four capsules felt too strong for me and I was struggling to keep up with that dose due to the hunger. If you want a genuinely unbiased log, look at mine.

Can you post the link to your log?

 

[kbayne]

Can you post the link to your log?

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/172689-bdccs-pes-anabeta.html

 

[bdcc]

I would like to think if I had been awake when you had asked that I would have got in even quicker than kbayne lol.

 

[LiveToLift]

I would like to think if I had been awake when you had asked that I would have got in even quicker than kbayne lol.

15 hours ago the question was asked. Getting that good ole beauty sleep I guess..

 

[kbayne]

I would like to think if I had been awake when you had asked that I would have got in even quicker than kbayne lol.

I'm quick like a cat haha

 

[bdcc]

15 hours ago the question was asked. Getting that good ole beauty sleep I guess..

It worked. I look stunning.

 

[bdcc]

I'm quick like a cat haha

Quicker than a rat up a drainpipe!

 

[kbayne]

Quicker than a rat up a drainpipe!

Now, that is quick lol

 

[LiveToLift]

It worked. I look stunning.

Touché

 

[Imskyhigh87]

you sorta started it by knocking anabeta before trying it lol don't hate..that info has more regards to "PES ERASE QUESTIONS" than your food pics do lol just saying I haven't tried either yet but deff gunna do an anabeta and erase cycle right after my current one and then anabeta elite and erase pro alittle after just to check them out and see the differences in my body like everyone else has..before and after pics speak for themselves IMO but thats why im TRYING it to get my own opinion of them.

Hey u cant deny Im eatn good brah I didnt mean to "knock" anabeta just sayn dont know how I feel ab it. I researched it and was just taken back by the whole more anabolic than testosterone suspension. If anyone really believes that they are a fn idiot. Im sure it does good things and promotes anabolic activity because Im happy with erase. Ill bump this thread if I ever try it and if I have good things to say ab it youll know it works very very well for a natty supp

 

[BPjohn123]

I'm quick like a cat haha

You really are

 

[kbayne]

You really are

Well thanks kind sir

 

[WayneD]

I would like to think if I had been awake when you had asked that I would have got in even quicker than kbayne lol.

I know you would, Kbayne and I must be in the same time zone.

 

[kbayne]

I know you would, Kbayne and I must be in the same time zone.

Possibly. What zone you in?

 

[WayneD]

Possibly. What zone you in?

Eastern, I live in NY

 

[kbayne]

Eastern, I live in NY

Mountain for me, Wyoming.

 

[WayneD]

Mountain for me, Wyoming.

Ok not same time zone, just fast

 

[kbayne]

Ok not same time zone, just fast

Haha, nope.

 

[Imskyhigh87]

This was meant for last week fyi:
I upped my chondrointin glucosamine msm dosage to the suggested dosage 3a day an I have not had any joint discomfort at all. ( Its called triflex if anyone cares) think I got from walmart for cheap works well.

Strength is up, set a new pr on both deadlifts and bench.
To sum up 20lbs on deadlift and 13 lbs on bench in 5 weeks Ill take that.

Got two weeks left on my daa erase stack. My starting weight was when I was on creatine monohydrate and carbed up. For the last 3 weeks Ive been off creatine and not as many carbs. Ive already started carbing back up and loading creatine and will continue for the next two weeks and so on, so I can get a more accurate idea of weight gain. In two weeks Ill post weight gained. If I had to guess Id say 6-8lbs, and slightly leaner, but Ill get back to u on that with a definitive answer.

Ill likely test my max again in two weeks just to see if I went up in weight from week 5 to week 8.

 

[LMuscle]

I had blood drawn last week, looks like Erase had absolutely no effect on my e2 level unfortunately. I don't have any e2 sides, but it is high. Anyone else get blood drawn to see if Erase works?

 

[Imskyhigh87]

I had blood drawn last week, looks like Erase had absolutely no effect on my e2 level unfortunately. I don't have any e2 sides, but it is high. Anyone else get blood drawn to see if Erase works?

I plan to go tomorrow anyone know what kind of labs I should have done. I know I want my estradiol and test, free test, shbg, lh, fsh tested what else should I get checked. Anyone know the name of the test I should get done?

 

[aceroni]

This was meant for last week fyi:
I upped my chondrointin glucosamine msm dosage to the suggested dosage 3a day an I have not had any joint discomfort at all. ( Its called triflex if anyone cares) think I got from walmart for cheap works well.

Strength is up, set a new pr on both deadlifts and bench.
To sum up 20lbs on deadlift and 13 lbs on bench in 5 weeks Ill take that.

Got two weeks left on my daa erase stack. My starting weight was when I was on creatine monohydrate and carbed up. For the last 3 weeks Ive been off creatine and not as many carbs. Ive already started carbing back up and loading creatine and will continue for the next two weeks and so on, so I can get a more accurate idea of weight gain. In two weeks Ill post weight gained. If I had to guess Id say 6-8lbs, and slightly leaner, but Ill get back to u on that with a definitive answer.

Ill likely test my max again in two weeks just to see if I went up in weight from week 5 to week 8.

that is solid gains for five Weeks. good work man. What daa did thou use?

 

[Imskyhigh87]

Ive used performance edge daa pure in the past and it seemed to hit a little harder, but it was also my first time using any daa product. I have been happy with ai sports nutrition bulk daa on numerous occasions, its much cheaper and its sodium daa the kind used in the study.

 

[horizons]

Hey guys I'm on D-pol, endosurge and OG erase ATM.

Been on it for a week. 2 x erase a day

I am experiencing no joint issues what so ever. Is this is a indication I can increase the erase? Or just thank that I am not experiencing any joint issues

 

[kbayne]

Hey guys I'm on D-pol, endosurge and OG erase ATM.

Been on it for a week. 2 x erase a day

I am experiencing no joint issues what so ever. Is this is a indication I can increase the erase? Or just thank that I am not experiencing any joint issues

I would recommend going to the full dose (3 caps) per day if 2 caps doesn't give you any joint issues or kill your libido. If it does however start to give you problems, just drop back down.

 

[horizons]

No worries, thanks!

Libido is great so I might bump it up.

As soon as I get libido or joint issues ill back off to 50mg

I might be able to take erase pro!

 

[kbayne]

No worries, thanks!

Libido is great so I might bump it up.

As soon as I get libido or joint issues ill back off to 50mg

I might be able to take erase pro!

That would be great news for you :head:

:dance: This is how I feel when I am on EP.

 

[horizons]

That would be great news for you :head:

:dance: This is how I feel when I am on EP.

Erase has actually increased my libido not reduce it.
Must be the DAA & endosurge working in sync perhaps

I've heard great things about erase pro but have always been weary about the joint issues

Next stack may be EP/endosurge turbo/d-pol/ABE

 

[kbayne]

Erase has actually increased my libido not reduce it.
Must be the DAA & endosurge working in sync perhaps

I've heard great things about erase pro but have always been weary about the joint issues

Next stack may be EP/endosurge turbo/d-pol/ABE

Erase will raise test while lowering estrogen hence increase in libido. If you go too high of a dose however it will lower libido. DAA + Endosurge are helping though of course I would assume.

Well if 3 caps of Erase doesn't cause any problems, I would recommend giving EP a try for sure.