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Bulk Up or Alpha Mass?

BULK-UP vs. AlphaMass or AlphaBulk


I was seeking a thread where I could do a fair comparison between the active ingredients in BULK-UP and another product that may or may not provide as good a solution. 4-DHEA has shown a reputation of a small amount of lethargia and 1-DHEA has had a large amount of lethargia


ANDRO FACTORY has stopped using 1 -DHEA because of this and developed a new formula where a-DHEA and b-DHEA balances out any lethargia that the 4-DHEA might have created.

We have created a solution and it is in balancing the DHEA's in a Complex to get the benefits of all while balancing out any negative effects.


As far as a direct compassion in mg and cost. Here is a quick break down

ANDRO FACTORY'S BULK-UP 456 mg total per 3 softgels

a-DHEA (3-alpha-enanthoyloxy-5-alpha-androstan-17-one) 68mg

ß-DHEA (3-beta-undecanoyloxy-5-alpha-androstan-17-one) 194mg

4-DHEA (3-beta-enanthoyloxyandrost-4-en-17-one) 194mg


Thats over 19,000 mg of prohormones per bottle.

Forrunners AlphaMass 30 mg per 3 softgels Only 1-DHEA

Forrunners AlphaBulk 60 mg per 3 softgels Only 4-DHEA

As far as cost goes BULK-UP by ANDRO FACTORY is $139.50 per bottle but you can find it at any resaler for less than a hundred

Both AlphaMass and AlphBulk are about $100.00

It is my opinion that AF has a superior formula (as far as any DHEA goes), less lathargic effects, MUCH stronger dosing and the price is just right for what your getting.
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I appreciate you taking the time to explain this, as the op might care to know this.

me, I have no interest in alpha or beta dhea. I also find the mg's of 4-dhea to be worthless. I feel pretty much similar using the rec dosage of of alpha bulk & mass drops as I did when using primordial performance's andro mass v2 (1 & 4- super duper dhea)

1 bottle of alpha bulk (or alpha mass) cost me, without any kind of hook up, almost 50$ including shipping. so I can get a 8 week (2 bottles) cycle (@ rec dosage) for 100$, no hook up or discount.

so far, the rec 6 caps e/d works really well in my opion. so with this, an 8 week cycle stacking both alpha mass (1-dhea) and alpha bulk (4-dhea) will run me, about 200$ without any hook up or discount.

but, if you're going to drop that kind of money, most comanies will give you a deal, or some extra goodies.

how much of a deal from frl? not sure, I bought my 2 bottles of frl's alpha bulk on my own, as well as 2 bottles of mass drops (though, now I wish I had went with alpha mass)

if I want plain dhea, i'll go with topical dhea, or sublingual, for way way cheaper, but I dont, cause plain dhea sucks balls.

now, bulk or, or w/e other 1-dhea product androfactory has might be somehow better than primordial performances, or FRL's, I'm not sure, I havn't tried anything from you all yet. so the higher dosage of 4-dhea might be better, we'll have to see, someday.
 
BULK-UP is about the strongest-safest "good non methyls" your going to find. I'm not saying that as a rep. I'm saying it through my own research. They have so far show to be the strongest DHEA complex out there that is not going to shut down your liver and the price is right for the amount of actives you get. over 19,000 mg of prohormones per bottle.

Rating the ingredients in BULK-UP for Lean Muscle Building with little to no bloating, water weight or lathargia. We've been researching all the different DHEA compounds and how they can be stacked together for the best results for over 5 years. BULK-UP is the answer. It's going to give you very little sides with serious gains.

I'd like to see some testers take both products seperately and vote who's #1 and who comes in #2

We have a great solution to safe Non Methelated roids. Their over at ANDRO FACTORY, check out our blog.

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furazabol thp ether is better than anything you guys currently have. I'm sure a the pro hormone to non methylated madol (desoxyTestosterone) is also more potent.
 
You can. You would essentially be taking something close to our last version of BULK-UP. We had 1-DHEA in there to. Only decieded to take it out on the last run to keep water weight, bloating and lethergy down.

If you have a bottle of Alpha Mass and you plan on taking it alone Defiantly add BULK-UP to it. I'll even give you a buy one get one half off coupon code. That's probably the only way your going to get really cycle out of it.

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Type it in at check out.


buy one get one half price..
 
Bulk and alpha mass would go great together. Any 4-DHEA and 1-DHEA product stacks nicely. I just finished a cycle of alpha mass an 4-AD and put on a nice 12lbs in an 8 week run. AMS, FRL, and Androfactory all make these DHEA based pro hormones and you really cannot go wrong with either. I was truly impressed by the cycle I just ran and honestly I don't think I will ever use the liver toxic harsh PH/DS ever again. The DHEA products delivered everything I could ask for and eve more. Great strength, size, and gym euphoria was insane!

Read up on all these companies and pick which one that you see to be more drawn to, you will not be disappointed with any of these companies. They are all great and all produce a quality product.
 
Bulk and alpha mass would go great together. Any 4-DHEA and 1-DHEA product stacks nicely. I just finished a cycle of alpha mass an 4-AD and put on a nice 12lbs in an 8 week run. AMS, FRL, and Androfactory all make these DHEA based pro hormones and you really cannot go wrong with either. I was truly impressed by the cycle I just ran and honestly I don't think I will ever use the liver toxic harsh PH/DS ever again. The DHEA products delivered everything I could ask for and eve more. Great strength, size, and gym euphoria was insane!

Read up on all these companies and pick which one that you see to be more drawn to, you will not be disappointed with any of these companies. They are all great and all produce a quality product.

nice responce, i agree
 
Ya come check it out

Ya come check it out. Would love you to run it and post the results here ANDRO FACTORY'S product's are dosed WAY higher and it's the difference between working and getting way less results. Come over to AF and try it.

Two new products are coming out in two weeks and they'll be running lots of promos!


LEAN-CUT & FOCUS
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I appreciate you taking the time to explain this, as the op might care to know this.me, I have no interest in alpha or beta dhea. I also find the mg's of 4-dhea to be worthless. I feel pretty much similar using the rec dosage of of alpha bulk & mass drops as I did when using primordial performance's andro mass v2 (1 & 4- super duper dhea)1 bottle of alpha bulk (or alpha mass) cost me, without any kind of hook up, almost 50$ including shipping. so I can get a 8 week (2 bottles) cycle (@ rec dosage) for 100$, no hook up or discount.so far, the rec 6 caps e/d works really well in my opion. so with this, an 8 week cycle stacking both alpha mass (1-dhea) and alpha bulk (4-dhea) will run me, about 200$ without any hook up or discount.but, if you're going to drop that kind of money, most comanies will give you a deal, or some extra goodies.how much of a deal from frl? not sure, I bought my 2 bottles of frl's alpha bulk on my own, as well as 2 bottles of mass drops (though, now I wish I had went with alpha mass)if I want plain dhea, i'll go with topical dhea, or sublingual, for way way cheaper, but I dont, cause plain dhea sucks balls.now, bulk or, or w/e other 1-dhea product androfactory has might be somehow better than primordial performances, or FRL's, I'm not sure, I havn't tried anything from you all yet. so the higher dosage of 4-dhea might be better, we'll have to see, someday.
 
Andro factory- yeah i will post the results but I'm going to b starting this cycle the end of march because I'm just finishing a cycle now but i would be gald to post before and after pics and review is there any way to get discounts on bulk up cause i would buy 2 bottles then.
 
Really??:33:..:thinking: The original 4-Androstenediol was some good stuff. Are you sure that it's just as good? Or have you forgotten how good 4ad was I mean it's been a long time.

I'm fairly sure i came across a new company still selling 1,4 ad or 4 ad the other day. Funnily enough i think it is still around.
 
BULK-UP vs. AlphaMass or AlphaBulk


I was seeking a thread where I could do a fair comparison between the active ingredients in BULK-UP and another product that may or may not provide as good a solution. 4-DHEA has shown a reputation of a small amount of lethargia and 1-DHEA has had a large amount of lethargia


ANDRO FACTORY has stopped using 1 -DHEA because of this and developed a new formula where a-DHEA and b-DHEA balances out any lethargia that the 4-DHEA might have created.

We have created a solution and it is in balancing the DHEA's in a Complex to get the benefits of all while balancing out any negative effects.


As far as a direct compassion in mg and cost. Here is a quick break down

ANDRO FACTORY'S BULK-UP 456 mg total per 3 softgels

a-DHEA (3-alpha-enanthoyloxy-5-alpha-androstan-17-one) 68mg

ß-DHEA (3-beta-undecanoyloxy-5-alpha-androstan-17-one) 194mg

4-DHEA (3-beta-enanthoyloxyandrost-4-en-17-one) 194mg


Thats over 19,000 mg of prohormones per bottle.

Forrunners AlphaMass 30 mg per 3 softgels Only 1-DHEA

Forrunners AlphaBulk 60 mg per 3 softgels Only 4-DHEA

As far as cost goes BULK-UP by ANDRO FACTORY is $139.50 per bottle but you can find it at any resaler for less than a hundred

Both AlphaMass and AlphBulk are about $100.00

It is my opinion that AF has a superior formula (as far as any DHEA goes), less lathargic effects, MUCH stronger dosing and the price is just right for what your getting.
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Lol c'mon man 90% of this post is inaccurate. It's so bad I don't even know where to start.
 
You can. You would essentially be taking something close to our last version of BULK-UP. We had 1-DHEA in there to. Only decieded to take it out on the last run to keep water weight, bloating and lethergy down.

If you have a bottle of Alpha Mass and you plan on taking it alone Defiantly add BULK-UP to it. I'll even give you a buy one get one half off coupon code. That's probably the only way your going to get really cycle out of it.

BULKUP14

Type it in at check out.

1-dhea enanthate does not cause bloat or water retention. It does not aromatise.

Decieded
Defiantly

#spellcheck
 
mich29 if i do a detailed cycle review of alpha mass and max bulk and before and after pics can do you think i can get like 50% off max bulk... just wondering?
 
mich29 if i do a detailed cycle review of alpha mass and max bulk and before and after pics can do you think i can get like 50% off max bulk... just wondering?

I would not stack these products. Max Bulk will significantly reduce the effectiveness of Alpha Mass. If you want a longer cycle I would just use two bottles of Alpha Mass like so:

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If you want a discount shoot me a PM.
 
mich29 if i do a detailed cycle review of alpha mass and max bulk and before and after pics can do you think i can get like 50% off max bulk... just wondering?

that would be nice if we could get you a good discount for max bulk....i'd love to see the log for max bulk
 
Received the hormones for LEAN-CUT and FOCUS and they just went out for testing. If anyone cares to know testing for identification and assay (purity %) for the activeS in LEAN-CUT and FOCUS is around $2000. Something that is NOT required by GMP & the FDA. But we do it every time, every batch, no exceptions.

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Received the hormones for LEAN-CUT and FOCUS and they just went out for testing. If anyone cares to know testing for identification and assay (purity %) for the actives in LEAN-CUT and FOCUS is around $2000. Something that is NOT required by GMP & the FDA. But we do it every time, every batch, no exceptions.

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yeah and I'm running alpha mass with it as well and will be 6 week cycle and the results from alpha amass alone were great with max bulk added it will be real nice
 
why will it affect the effectiveness of alpha mass just curious

The other product contains naringenin, which is an extremely potent 17b-hsd inhibitor. That is a critical enzyme that facilitates the conversions of Dhea's to diols and testosterones. In other words it will block prohormones from converting to anything other than Dione's (the weakest).
 
The other product contains naringenin, which is an extremely potent 17b-hsd inhibitor. That is a critical enzyme that facilitates the conversions of Dhea's to diols and testosterones. In other words it will block prohormones from converting to anything other than Dione's (the weakest).

This is interesting. I had never heard of this effect before, only that it could possibly modulate estrogen along with extending the half-life of certain drugs. But, my question is how much effect would Naringenin really have in human body with regards to enzyme inhibition? Would it really be that noticible? I also could only find 2 studies that seemed to relate to this enzyme inhibition, but one said it inhibited 3b-hsd, the other 17b-hsd. Maybe it inhibits both, but then again to what degree?

Perhaps the amount effective for extending the half-life of compounds isn't great enough to cause enough inhibition to be noticable. Both the Andro Series by PP and these AndroFactory clones use Naringenin, but I don't recall anyone ever raising the issue of enzyme inhibition with Primordial's products. The enzyme inhibition seems to be intrinsically tied to the CYP P450 inhibition. If that is the case, wouldn't your hormone carrier run into the same issue? Just speculating on that; I'm too tired to search for yet another ingredient right now. Besides which, just because it isn't in a study doesn't mean that that is not the case; the oposite is also true at times.

Maybe it is just a case of six of one, half a dosen of the other. Longer half-life and less conversion vs. shorter half-life and more conversion.

These are the only two studies that I could pull up that seemed relevant: Invalid Link Removed and Invalid Link Removed .
 
why? lg has been in the hormone business for a long time, i'd say they know a thing or two about what they're doing.

Could be why their formulator has helped other companies formulate some of their products as well.
 
The other product contains naringenin, which is an extremely potent 17b-hsd inhibitor. That is a critical enzyme that facilitates the conversions of Dhea's to diols and testosterones. In other words it will block prohormones from converting to anything other than Dione's (the weakest).

WTF?? Why would they put that in their product?
 
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