Article: Is Eating Paleo Style Healthy?
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drewsicle3210
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The question is, is it sustainable?
dwit392
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Geez ... this article was so standard it could go straight on a US government website. They once again mention a correlation between red meat consumption and heart disease and then try to convince people it is causation without mentioning anything about grass-fed meat.
Then they do the standard, lean proteins only! Seriously, what is going to happen to me if I eat fatty cuts of meat? It's not like fat is evil...
Then they do the standard, lean proteins only! Seriously, what is going to happen to me if I eat fatty cuts of meat? It's not like fat is evil...
fueledpassion
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red meat is associated with heart disease due to it's saturated fats. This is why he said stick with lean proteins only.
Too many people on the internet are trying to re-invent the wheel when it comes to healthy dieting. This expert said nothing outside of what has been common, accepted knowledge (based on experience and study) for the past 30 years...
Too many people on the internet are trying to re-invent the wheel when it comes to healthy dieting. This expert said nothing outside of what has been common, accepted knowledge (based on experience and study) for the past 30 years...
fueledpassion
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I also dont understand where you are coming from here with the gluten argument. The expert promoted lean meats, veggies of all types and fruits, nuts etc. all of which are gluten free.
With the exception of a few grains, pretty much everything he recommended comes naturally in a gluten-free state. Your point doesn't stick, it seems?
Drdanger84
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You can eat sweet Potato on
A paleo diet. Get ya facts straight
A paleo diet. Get ya facts straight
Zatek
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Red meat is only associated with heart disease and cancer because most places serve it as a hamburger with fries fried in artificial fats and water filled with tons of artificial sugar. Red meat is probably the single most healthy food there is, and (natural) saturated fat reduces occurrences of heart disease. Many studies deliberately group saturated fat in with partially hydrogenated oils because they are chemically similar, despite that fact that being chemically similar means pretty much nothing in terms of how they affect the body.
drewsicle3210
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I enjoyed this post
fueledpassion
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Well, I don't think our "lack" of saturated fats is causing obesity. Sure, there may be a benefit or two from having a few grams per day but I advise you don't get liberal with it. It was the simple sugars, hydrogenated oils, and high-fructose corn syrup coupled with a shifting culture towards convenience and ease that brought us to our knees. I'm pretty sure you get plenty of saturated fats if you eat out at minimum 3 times per week. I think its a combination of trying to find cheaper sweeteners and cooking agents in liu of a culture that demands a fast meal on-the-go that is making us fat.
No one eats a wholesome meal anymore - it's usually loaded with refined carbs, small protein portions and loads of fats of all types with little or no fiber. Sure, we need fats but when 40-50% of our diet is made up of fats, that isn't healthy. Not to mention the other 30% is made up of refined carbs, which might as well be fat in itself. That will only make you fatter. I realize that most on this board follow a slightly stricter protocol than that metioned above but the general public pretty much follows this to a T.
Vengeance187
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This is just BS. Gluten isn't inherently bad for anyone without celiac disease. People shouldn't just generally stop eating peanuts, strawberries, bananas, etcetera ad infinitum. None of the above are bad for people without those respective allergies/sensitivities.
It absolutely can be. Ketogenic diets range from 50-80+% fats.
fueledpassion
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Yea I know keto diets have an abnormally high fat intake. You'll never hear me say that removing one of the three macro nutrients is a healthy idea in any diet. All three are needed, some more than others depending on what you are trying to accomplish. For me, it's all about muscle and nothing else. So in that case, keto has not been and will likely not ever be an option for me since it is not the best diet to consider for retaining muscle mass, since fats are unable to be utilized in heavy lifting. I'd basically walk intoa gym and run out of steam 10 minutes into the training on an all fat/protein diet. Granted, my body handles carbohydrates very well, but this is only because I have trained it to handled carbs well.
To each their own with an opinion I guess but seriously strength and mass training are thrown out on a keto diet. You need elevated glycogen levels to perform high-intensity workouts, especially bodybuilding style training. If you are an athlete, this rings even more true. I'm not saying you can't be productive in any way on keto, I'm just saying for certain goals, and for a well-rounded nutrition, a large portion of carbs should be present and fats should be kept at or below 1/3 of your diet.
DAdams91982
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Obesity started rearing its ugly head when the agricultural age was upon us. Attempting to find faster easier ways to feed mass amounts of people.
Don't get me wrong, it has helped world hunger 1000x over. But, our society has adopted such food as the staple of all diet.
Saturated fats are not the devil as the FDA lead people to believe. In fact, eat to low of Sat fats, and watch your hormonal levels become unbalanced quickly (Testosterone drops like a rock).
To anyone who says sat. fats are bad, I say Coconut Oil.
/endsatfatargumentinthread
Don't get me wrong, it has helped world hunger 1000x over. But, our society has adopted such food as the staple of all diet.
Saturated fats are not the devil as the FDA lead people to believe. In fact, eat to low of Sat fats, and watch your hormonal levels become unbalanced quickly (Testosterone drops like a rock).
To anyone who says sat. fats are bad, I say Coconut Oil.
/endsatfatargumentinthread
fueledpassion
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Obesity started rearing its ugly head when the agricultural age was upon us. Attempting to find faster easier ways to feed mass amounts of people.
Don't get me wrong, it has helped world hunger 1000x over. But, our society has adopted such food as the staple of all diet.
Saturated fats are not the devil as the FDA lead people to believe. In fact, eat to low of Sat fats, and watch your hormonal levels become unbalanced quickly (Testosterone drops like a rock).
To anyone who says sat. fats are bad, I say Coconut Oil.
/endsatfatargumentinthread
When you say Coconut Oil, are you referring to the MCT that resides in it? MCT oil, while being saturated, cannot be classified as such since it is a medium chain and therefore has an entirely different metabolic pathway and purpose for the body. MCT oil, which is in coconut oil, is the only reason coconut oil is so good for you. And honestly, why consume coconut oil for the MCT when you can just buy pure MCT oil and ditch the long-chain triglycerides?
I'm not arguing against dietary and long-chain saturated fats because I honestly don't know enough about them to decide whether they are good or bad to have in large amounts. I am however making a comment about Coconut Oil's awesomeness, which isn't really coconut oil but MCT's that make it awesome.
fueledpassion
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what part is bro'lore.
DAdams91982
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Let me see if I can decipher this a bit. So you are saying the MCT oil in CO is a saturated fat, but not a saturated fat? Serious question.
Now why are mystiric, stearic, oleic and linoleic acids in CO not of benefit?
fueledpassion
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I dont know about the long chain fatty acids and whether or not they r healthy. Half the scientific community says they r (the younger crowd) and the older half says they arent (older crowd). I'm not debating that because I dont really know.
MCT is a saturated fat. Yet the classification is the only similarity that MCT has to other LCT's. It is processed in the liver, releasing a large amount of its energy as heat and the other portion as ketone bodies and does so in the midst of carbs and glycogen in the blood. It has a relationship, although not fully understood, with a rise in GH levels after consumption. It is pure energy and whatever ketones arent used typically are urinsted out later so it rarely stores up as fat, which is very unlike other saturated fats and unsaturated fats. Thats all I'm saying. Totally different effect on the body. MCT's get the same kind of treatment as carbs, without the insulin response.
oogaly_boogal
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That is incorrect, gras fed, or Organic meat is not sustainable. Something along the lines of 1/3 of the population would starve to death. We would also need to destroy more acres of forest to keep the food supply in a positive flow.
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fueledpassion
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Very true point. I work for the largest paper company in the world, and this is our struggle remaining sustainable, especially in other third-world and developing countries like China and India. They are tearing apart the forests to try and keep up with crop demands. In 50 years, famine and starvation will be a huge issue for the world. Lots of people will die, imo.
CharlesT
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I'm not here to argue or try to change minds but saying that gluten is only harmful to celiacs is 100% false.
You are just repeating something you think or heard that seems true to you.
Its widespread ignorance like this that nearly got 3 feet of my wifes intestines removed.
Vengeance187
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What are you talking about? A ketogenic diet is one of the best diets for retaining muscle mass while trying to lose fat. Every long term study I've read proves this. If there are studies that say otherwise, they must be short term studies that aren't recording muscle loss, they're measuring lean mass and observing the short term glycogen depletion. If you're freaked out that you're losing muscle because of that, then a CKD diet may be better for you.
My statement is 100% true. Intestinal damage from a reaction to eating gluten is exactly what celiac disease is. You sir, are the one spreading the ignorance. Your wife has celiac disease...
fueledpassion
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Keto sucks for retaining mass and it sucks even worse for building mass. There is no doubt in my mind it is effective for those who are not bodybuilding. But we're on a bodybuilding website, not a site for soccer moms. And since training requires loads of glycogen, you need to eat plenty of carbs, at least if you are training like a man ought to. There is no way around it. You need insulin and glycogen to do two things : build muscle and have energy for anaerobic training. Otherwise your body will resort to amino acid breakdown for glycogen as it is performing anaerobic training. So Keto? Yes, if you aren't doing any anaerobic exercise. This is 30 years of proven science. Keto doesn't reinvent the wheel, it only starves the muscle and shifts the body towards fat metabolism , if you aren't training with high intensity. However, if you train with high-intensity, you'll lose just as much muscle as you do fat, unless you are eating 300% of your protein intake and drinking 50g BCAA's every day. It's not that hard to understand. Fat metabolism can only be utilized in certain environments, since it cannot be broken down quickly - we call that environment aerobic. The other environment is stricly for glycogen and amino acids and it is called anaerobic.
truthornothin
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I am eating less than 40 grams of carbs per day and have been for weeks, my weight has remained the same while my lovehandles have shrunk to nothing...I suppose the high intensity squat routine I performed at 5:00 am this morning was impossible...I was doing 15 rep sets of 315 ass to grass, 5 to be exact followed by 4 sets of 6 with 405, Then another two sets of 315 x 15 and 220 x 20. How was that possible? Read the science behind keto dieting and you'll understand keto diets are muscle sparing not destroying Just ask Patrick Arnold....But then I guess he doesn't know his stuff either?? Not hardly
fueledpassion
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Well I stand corrected. In your case. I will look at the molecular science sometime soon. However, I do understand what takes place. The ketone bodies are the ones who redeem that diet, if anything. Yet, Ketones can only keep up so far. And due to the lack of insulin, essential amino acids are not getting to the muscle cell for growth. Perhaps then, it could be considered.
Also, when do you eat those measily 40g of carbs? I'm curious...is it the night before or maybe first thing AM by any chance?
truthornothin
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oogaly_boogal
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Actually that's incorrect, your body to spare your brain, will convert protein into glycogen in times of need. Something like 30-50% of consumed protein, which is why you run such a high fat/protein diet with keto.
Vengeance187
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I guess I don't need to respond to him now. He must respect your anecdotal evidence more than a studies' data.
GO_OUTSIDE!
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Moderation people. Why does everything have to be all or nothing, because it sells? Extremism is not the answer, and trying to turn back time will never work, besides your waxing poetic on the past. Being a caveman sucked. If their diet was so perfect why did it change? Agriculture is what made the diffenece between which societies conquered the earth. Those agricultural societies did all that conquering on a diet that included grain and dairy and meat... As technology provided better things they adopted them.
Look at MMA the purist martial arts practioner doesnt stand a chance against the hybrid.
What im trying to say is take the good, leave the bad and live well. Just because enzyte didnt make your wang bigger doesnt mean everything new is bad.
Look at MMA the purist martial arts practioner doesnt stand a chance against the hybrid.
What im trying to say is take the good, leave the bad and live well. Just because enzyte didnt make your wang bigger doesnt mean everything new is bad.
fueledpassion
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I wasn't talking about that in the part you quoted me on. Ketones redeem the diet because they become a steady source of fat-burning energy, along with proteins being broken down, which supports my initial stance on why Keto diet is a bad idea for maintaining or building muscle mass, since protein in the muscle becomes a victim of this diet, with no or very little insulin and carbs to combat this issue.
But the real issue I would have if I jumped on this diet is being able to eat a caloric surplus (or even a maintenance level) while removing an entire macro nutrient.
3000kcals is not easy to obtain with fats and proteins alone (at least for me). And a surplus to gain muscle mass would be even more difficult for me.
I'd rather just have all three macros & do more cardio to lean up. At least then I get the benefit of cardio for my respiratory system such as vascular density.