LTL has fallen to the darkside!

Rodja said:
I do them in a bit of a different fashion than most. Instead of focusing on multiple sets, I do several feel sets working up in weight and then do one all-out set to failure trying to break my rep PR. I decided to give the 200lb'r a whirl after I got bored with doing sets of 17-21 with the 145lb'r (why my gym has nothing in between is beyond me).
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A gym having 200 lb DBS blows my mind! Nice work man, no doubt you pulled that off though. I've followed your work ethic and drive and you know what the hell your doing!
 
Rodja said:
I do them in a bit of a different fashion than most. Instead of focusing on multiple sets, I do several feel sets working up in weight and then do one all-out set to failure trying to break my rep PR. I decided to give the 200lb'r a whirl after I got bored with doing sets of 17-21 with the 145lb'r (why my gym has nothing in between is beyond me).
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That's nuts! You're a beast rodja!
 
I've been meaning to ask this but how do you guys feel about me doing A/B workouts. Being one 3-4 day period I do A workouts and then a rest day and then do 3-4 day B workouts. Would you feel it would hinder me getting the most out of my compound lifts? I ask this because things I really want to get up are secondary lifts like incline chest press but doing them after bench is really dampering the lift. Thoughts please? That way I could also do A being weighted pull-ups and B being bent over barbell row... Just trying to put some spice into my workouts. My muscle fatigue seems to be going away so I will be hitting the gym 6 days a week with maybe a 7th day consisting of cardio/abs when I get mid cycle for clean up maintenance. I want to get to 190 on this cycle with at maximum 2 percent bf change. That would be a complete success to me. If I finish pct at a clean 180ish I would be beyond stoked! High hopes!
 
LiveToLift said:
I've been meaning to ask this but how do you guys feel about me doing A/B workouts. Being one 3-4 day period I do A workouts and then a rest day and then do 3-4 day B workouts. Would you feel it would hinder me getting the most out of my compound lifts? I ask this because things I really want to get up are secondary lifts like incline chest press but doing them after bench is really dampering the lift. Thoughts please? That way I could also do A being weighted pull-ups and B being bent over barbell row... Just trying to put some spice into my workouts. My muscle fatigue seems to be going away so I will be hitting the gym 6 days a week with maybe a 7th day consisting of cardio/abs when I get mid cycle for clean up maintenance. I want to get to 190 on this cycle with at maximum 2 percent bf change. That would be a complete success to me. If I finish pct at a clean 180ish I would be beyond stoked! High hopes!
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I've been thinking about an upper & lower split myself.
May need a bit of advice on how to program it as far as how many exercises & sets for each group & maybe best exercises too.
 
LiveToLift said:
I've been meaning to ask this but how do you guys feel about me doing A/B workouts. Being one 3-4 day period I do A workouts and then a rest day and then do 3-4 day B workouts. Would you feel it would hinder me getting the most out of my compound lifts? I ask this because things I really want to get up are secondary lifts like incline chest press but doing them after bench is really dampering the lift. Thoughts please? That way I could also do A being weighted pull-ups and B being bent over barbell row... Just trying to put some spice into my workouts. My muscle fatigue seems to be going away so I will be hitting the gym 6 days a week with maybe a 7th day consisting of cardio/abs when I get mid cycle for clean up maintenance. I want to get to 190 on this cycle with at maximum 2 percent bf change. That would be a complete success to me. If I finish pct at a clean 180ish I would be beyond stoked! High hopes!
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You'd have to decide on which priority is the most important and program accordingly. If you want you to increase your incline, then make that your max effort movement and make everything else supplemental and assistance work. However, do NOT increase to 6 days a week. Even on AAS, you can overreach and overtrain.
 
Rodja said:
You'd have to decide on which priority is the most important and program accordingly. If you want you to increase your incline, then make that your max effort movement and make everything else supplemental and assistance work. However, do NOT increase to 6 days a week. Even on AAS, you can overreach and overtrain.
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Hmm... Probably explains why my last cycle I only gained 2-3 lbs but got completely fûcking shredded with small increases in strength. I want strength and size in this one. PM coming rodja.
 
Btw I'm greedy I want both bench and incline to climb! Hence why I brought up A/B style.
 
LiveToLift said:
Btw I'm greedy I want both bench and incline to climb! Hence why I brought up A/B style.
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Being on cycle both lifts will go up no doubt, if you bring up your incline your bench will also increase, you could make your incline bench your max effort movement then do like 3 heavy sets of bench afterwards with plenty of rest in between to make sure your cns is ready to hit it hard. Or do something like Dc training where each workout you are switching up your max effort movements.. but you gotta be ready to throw away the volume and hit it hard. It was hard for me to adjust at first, always felt like I needed to do more even though I leave the gym exhausted.
 
The famous motto and which I live by, "go heavy or go home". Keep killin it LTL. It's gonna start gettin real good, real soon!!
 
masonmarin18 said:
Being on cycle both lifts will go up no doubt, if you bring up your incline your bench will also increase, you could make your incline bench your max effort movement then do like 3 heavy sets of bench afterwards with plenty of rest in between to make sure your cns is ready to hit it hard. Or do something like Dc training where each workout you are switching up your max effort movements.. but you gotta be ready to throw away the volume and hit it hard. It was hard for me to adjust at first, always felt like I needed to do more even though I leave the gym exhausted.
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Thanks for the input. I realize they will both go up that is obvious. I'm talking go up a substantial amount. I debated both 5/3/1 and dc and ruled them out until after the cycle. Believe me I hit it hard in any routine and leave extremely gassed! I have some planning to do luckily I have a long time left.

Once again thank you bud. DC is a great idea but I don't think I can commit to it on cycle especially as the first few weeks I would be learning the right ways when my increase will be the most significant.
 
LiveToLift said:
Thanks for the putting that d!ck in my ass-hole. I realize they will both nut & that is obvious. I'm talking nutting a substantial amount too. I debated both 5/3/1 guys at a time and tried it in dc and ruled them out until after the vicious cycle of cocain we did. Believe me I hit it hard in any brothers ass and leave them extremely gassed! I have some planning to do luckily I have a long time left when I am giving it to his ass crack.

Once again thank you bud we both phucked good, & if your ever in DC its a great idea but I don't think I can commit to you especially as the first few weeks I would be learning how u like to phuck & the right ways to suck your d!ck when my increase in the rear will be the most significant.
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:wtf:

:gay:
 
LiveToLift said:
Wow man. That is the most creative lengthy quote edit known to AM.
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Brown belt status now.
 
LiveToLift said:
Thanks for the input. I realize they will both go up that is obvious. I'm talking go up a substantial amount. I debated both 5/3/1 and dc and ruled them out until after the cycle. Believe me I hit it hard in any routine and leave extremely gassed! I have some planning to do luckily I have a long time left.

Once again thank you bud. DC is a great idea but I don't think I can commit to it on cycle especially as the first few weeks I would be learning the right ways when my increase will be the most significant.
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Yeah I feel you.. maybe you could try something like switching up your max effort lift every other workout or something.. Because like you said by the time you go to your second workout the weights decrease because you are already fatigued. Well maybe switching up the order ie flat bench next one start with incline, and trying to increase the reps / weight each time (primary or secondary depending on the week) could help you increase both lifts accordingly.

Just trying to throw some ideas out there, you are killing it so far man keep up the good work!
 
masonmarin18 said:
Yeah I feel you.. maybe you could try something like switching up your max effort lift every other workout or something.. Because like you said by the time you go to your second workout the weights decrease because you are already fatigued. Well maybe switching up the order ie flat bench next one start with incline, and trying to increase the reps / weight each time (primary or secondary depending on the week) could help you increase both lifts accordingly.

Just trying to throw some ideas out there, you are killing it so far man keep up the good work!
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Yep that is why I brought up the A/B scheme. Was what I was thinking as well. Hmmm...
 
LiveToLift said:
Yep that is why I brought up the A/B scheme. Was what I was thinking as well. Hmmm...
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Ah, sorry if that sounded retarded then.. lol I kind of didn't understand what you meant exactly by the A/B thing.
 
Best bet is going to be to constantly rotate the ME in a conjugate fashion. Contrary to popular belief, you will not get significantly stronger at any given lift by constantly doing it week after week. Instead, it's best to set it up where you have a 3-4 lift rotation of ME movements and focus on weaknesses within the kinetic chain. What you won't be able to do for a significant time is work up to a high percentage on both flat and incline within the same session.
 
Rodja said:
Best bet is going to be to constantly rotate the ME in a conjugate fashion. Contrary to popular belief, you will not get significantly stronger at any given lift by constantly doing it week after week. Instead, it's best to set it up where you have a 3-4 lift rotation of ME movements and focus on weaknesses within the kinetic chain. What you won't be able to do for a significant time is work up to a high percentage on both flat and incline within the same session.
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So you are saying every 4 lift days for the body part which in my case would be about 20 days. Not doing every other workout? Sounds like I could try that just hate not doing flat as my main for that long!
 
LiveToLift said:
So you are saying every 4 lift days for the body part which in my case would be about 20 days. Not doing every other workout? Sounds like I could try that just hate not doing flat as my main for that long!
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Is it flat every 4 days or is there anything in between? In theory, working other body parts such as shoulders can use pecs as a secondary mover and still have indirect stimulation.
 
In my experience if I do incline first it doesn't hurt my flat bench nearly as much as if I were to swap them. I would do incline after my warmup and add some extra rest between all sets of incline and flat to help with the CNS fatigue as was stated earlier. I've never worried about strength while on cycle tho....that's gonna come regardless. I started to do Madcow during my PCT to keep my strength up and give my body extra rest and it has worked wonders. Oh and Guilitene press is also very exciting....esp when u do it with no spotter and almost crush ur throat.
 
LiveToLift said:
So you are saying every 4 lift days for the body part which in my case would be about 20 days. Not doing every other workout? Sounds like I could try that just hate not doing flat as my main for that long!
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If you want to be strong, you don't train muscles; you train movements. The bench press is a full-body movement and calling it a chest movement is both inaccurate and parochial. For example, the most important aspect of benching for me is the leg drive portion. If I can get my legs underneath that day, then the session will be very productive. If not, then I often switch to floor press.

My breakdown is this:
Sunday: ME Lower
Tuesday: DE/RE Upper
Wednesday: DE Lower
Friday: ME Upper
 
Rodja said:
If you want to be strong, you don't train muscles; you train movements. The bench press is a full-body movement and calling it a chest movement is both inaccurate and parochial. For example, the most important aspect of benching for me is the leg drive portion. If I can get my legs underneath that day, then the session will be very productive. If not, then I often switch to floor press.

My breakdown is this:
Sunday: ME Lower
Tuesday: DE/RE Upper
Wednesday: DE Lower
Friday: ME Upper
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Exactly on point!!!
 
The drive is very important... I'm still working on the whole arch thing... Mine sucks ass... It should hurt tho haha
 
I think today worked in my favor. Went in for legs and ended up killing shoulders. Update coming after pin and 1k + cals... :-D
 
LiveToLift said:
I think today worked in my favor. Went in or legs an ended up killing shoulders. Update coming after pin and 1k + cals... :-D
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Nice! I'm sometimes very tempted to skip legs just because it's my least favorite day, but I always force myself to do it anyway. ;P
 
I love leg days I look forward to them... Oh sh*t, that's today!

Airborne, by arc you're talking about the arc during bench press in the spine right? I heard its better form to tuck shoulders and arc the back but haven't found a lot of solid info yet.
 
Day 11

Pinned 250 test e
Dosed 60 dbol
Dosed 12.5 aromasin

Weight 174.4 (+12.2)

Shoulders/legs. Was going to hit squats first but people decided to use the rack as a superset station for a half hour. Decided to focus on shoulders and hit hammies since last leg day they were giving me trouble. Ended up with good strength on shoulders especially on shrugs. The pump I got from the front laterals was incredible and veins were rocking all through my arms and shoulders into my chest. Alpha feeling in full gear and noticed a good increase in stamina! Pinned right quad and had very little pain. Nothing still now so lets hope I wake with no pain! :-)

Military press
6-120
5-140
6-125
6-120

Shrugs
12-195
8-245
7-265
6-275
5-285
8-245
15-195

Leg curl
10-80
10-100
7-110
6-110
9-90

Front laterals
8-30
9-35
5-40 drop 6-30 drop 5-25
5-35 drop 4-25 drop 6-20 wow..

Ham abductor (first time doing ever)
10-50
10-70
10-80
9-90
9-100
9-110
10-100

Upright row
10-100
9-100
6-100
 
OrganicShadow said:
I love leg days I look forward to them... Oh sh*t, that's today!

Airborne, by arc you're talking about the arc during bench press in the spine right? I heard its better form to tuck shoulders and arc the back but haven't found a lot of solid info yet.
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You've been looking in the wrong place for information. There's a plethora of literature out there regarding the proper​ bench press technique with regards to the setup and technique.
 
LiveToLift said:
Day 10

Pinned 250 test e
Dosed 60 dbol
Dosed 12.5 aromasin

Weight 174.4 (+12.2)

Shoulders/legs. Was going to hit squats first but people decided to use the rack as a superset station for a half hour. Decided to focus on shoulders and hit hammies since last leg day they were giving me trouble. Ended up with good strength on shoulders especially on shrugs. The pump I got from the front laterals was incredible and veins were rocking all through my arms and shoulders into my chest. Alpha feeling in full gear and noticed a good increase in stamina! Pinned right quad and had very little pain. Nothing still now so lets hope I wake with no pain! :-)

Military press
6-120
5-140
6-125
6-120

Shrugs
12-195
8-245
7-265
6-275
5-285
8-245
15-195

Leg curl
10-80
10-100
7-110
6-110
9-90

Front laterals
8-30
9-35
5-40 drop 6-30 drop 5-25
5-35 drop 4-25 drop 6-20 wow..

Ham abductor (first time doing ever)
10-50
10-70
10-80
9-90
9-100
9-110
10-100

Upright row
10-100
9-100
6-100
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+12lb is impressive bro, always liked seeing the scale go up. Lifts are realy good too. How's the dbol at 60mg feeling for ya?
 
msrider said:
+12lb is impressive bro, always liked seeing the scale go up. Lifts are realy good too. How's the dbol at 60mg feeling for ya?
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Thanks man. In happy to this point, doing 50 but dosed an extra one because I got carried away. So far not many sides tho man.

Good- jump in weight, slight strength increase, libido boost, amazing pump and vascularity, compliments pouring in with a raise in confidence.
Bad- minor headaches, irritated quicker, Annoying PIP, slight bloating.
 
Where has this been hiding? Way late, but in!
 
Rodja said:


You've been looking in the wrong place for information. There's a plethora of literature out there regarding the proper​ bench press technique with regards to the setup and technique.
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Awesome video Roja..What's the Anaconda??
 
vidapreta said:
A lot of people are benching incorrectly.. at least For maximum strength and power anyway.
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The commonly taught method is a flat back with little to no emphasis on the leg drive or the importance of the lats/traps in the movement. Add in the fact that 99% of people think the bench is a chest exercise and there is little attention payed to the elbows and you get a lot of shoulder injuries and improper benching.
 
OrganicShadow said:
Is it flat every 4 days or is there anything in between? In theory, working other body parts such as shoulders can use pecs as a secondary mover and still have indirect stimulation.
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Dips are another excellent way to work the upper body, good point OS...

I know you're already utilizing those LTL but for others reading - You should be doing dips BW or + WEIGHT

OrganicShadow said:
I love leg days I look forward to them... Oh sh*t, that's today!

Airborne, by arc you're talking about the arc during bench press in the spine right? I heard its better form to tuck shoulders and arc the back but haven't found a lot of solid info yet.
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Tuck those shoulders bro... I usually pull myself up with the bar a few times, each time pinching my shoulder blades closer and closer together.

I can't remember for sure but I think there is a good YouTube from Dave Tate on BP... Getting strong foot placement, setting up etc. I'll see if I can't track it down

- Valdez
 
LiveToLift said:
Thanks man. In happy to this point, doing 50 but dosed an extra one because I got carried away. So far not many sides tho man.

Good- jump in weight, slight strength increase, libido boost, amazing pump and vascularity, compliments pouring in with a raise in confidence.
Bad- minor headaches, irritated quicker, Annoying PIP, slight bloating.
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Gotta love the compliments. My favorite is u gotta b on steroids lol, I'm like thanks haha

The pip does get irritating but for some reason at the gym when ur on, the pain is gone, agression kicks in, ur the meanest motha effer there lol
 
LiveToLift said:
Thanks man. In happy to this point, doing 50 but dosed an extra one because I got carried away. So far not many sides tho man.

Good- jump in weight, slight strength increase, libido boost, amazing pump and vascularity, compliments pouring in with a raise in confidence.
Bad- minor headaches, irritated quicker, Annoying PIP, slight bloating.
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Hey! clear your PM's!
 
Rodja said:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QnwAoesJvQ">YouTube Link</a>

You've been looking in the wrong place for information. There's a plethora of literature out there regarding the proper bench press technique with regards to the setup and technique.
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That's a good vid thanks for posting Rodja!
 
Thought I would stumble in here to see how Jeffy Weffy is getting along. Has he been hiding recently?
 
bdcc said:
Thought I would stumble in here to see how Jeffy Weffy is getting along. Has he been hiding recently?
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Are you freakin' drunk?

:boggled:
 
OrganicShadow said:
I love leg days I look forward to them... Oh sh*t, that's today!

Airborne, by arc you're talking about the arc during bench press in the spine right? I heard its better form to tuck shoulders and arc the back but haven't found a lot of solid info yet.
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I tuck shoulders back now and bring my hips and shoulders as close as I can get it hurts. Been using a foam roller as well
 
bdcc said:
Thought I would stumble in here to see how Jeffy Weffy is getting along. Has he been hiding recently?
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Everything has been great bro! Thanks for stopping in!
 
LiveToLift said:
Day 11

Pinned 250 test e
Dosed 60 dbol
Dosed 12.5 aromasin

Weight 174.4 (+12.2)

Shoulders/legs. Was going to hit squats first but people decided to use the rack as a superset station for a half hour. Decided to focus on shoulders and hit hammies since last leg day they were giving me trouble. Ended up with good strength on shoulders especially on shrugs. The pump I got from the front laterals was incredible and veins were rocking all through my arms and shoulders into my chest. Alpha feeling in full gear and noticed a good increase in stamina! Pinned right quad and had very little pain. Nothing still now so lets hope I wake with no pain! :-)

Military press
6-120
5-140
6-125
6-120

Shrugs
12-195
8-245
7-265
6-275
5-285
8-245
15-195

Leg curl
10-80
10-100
7-110
6-110
9-90

Front laterals
8-30
9-35
5-40 drop 6-30 drop 5-25
5-35 drop 4-25 drop 6-20 wow..

Ham abductor (first time doing ever)
10-50
10-70
10-80
9-90
9-100
9-110
10-100

Upright row
10-100
9-100
6-100
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Shrug like there is no tomorrow! Great job brother!
 
Nutra order came today. Will be trying some hemavol with a scoop of alphamine preworkout next gym session. Also just downed some RVC protean and I got to say it is pretty damn good. Their protein powders are second to none for sure IMO. Just popped slintensity as well and noticed it is good for 60+ carbs for 1 cap. Anyone know how I would dose this as a per cap ratio. I'm assuming 1 cap for every 60 or is 1 cap good for any amount? 60 is a pretty big range so it is confusing me how I will dose this product. HMM...
 
R3ACTION said:
Shrug like there is no tomorrow! Great job brother!
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Yessir I always hit shrugs for 6+ sets. I don't even list all the sets on my log I normally do 2-3 warm up as well.
 
Ohhhhhh hemavol. I loves it! 2 scoops is where its at brother. And alphamine is good stuff too. Had a rep drop some off at the store a few weeks ago. Nice thermo and energy bump.
 
R3ACTION said:
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That's a grown ass lil man!
 
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