Obamney 2012 - Barack Obama And Mitt Romney Are Essentially The Same Candidate

[Invycktus]

It's too bad none of the people responsible for 9/11 were in Iraq...

You're seriously still on the birther train over the cert? Ok, you just proved how much I shouldn't be debating any politics with you lol.

And whoever made a post about MSNBC..never read that site in my life. Pretty sure I've only stated a few actual facts as well, call it what you will - clearly these facts disturb you as well or you wouldn't have commented about them. People of either side agree with these facts anyhow, so not sure what the issue is here. I simply wouldn't vote for anyone who is cruel to animals, is a neo-con and has no common sense, even if he is a cut throat business man.

The GOP has some serious soul searching to do after this election. It's party is falling apart. They need some real, pragmatic leaders.

Oh Cmon, if Romnesia can pass, so can Birther. FWIW I am not even close to being a republican.

My fear is that this will convert this nation I love to one that relies on socialist agendas of wealth redistribution and helping the poor by lynching the rich. I am not rich, and I am thankfully not poor either. I quoted an example earlier of how Obama's agendas have impacted and stopped us from generating 9 jobs, as a sort of a powerhouse/ well known brand at what we do, this is just a small example of how hampered "success" feels in this nation under this president.

FWIW, the right man would have pushed Hillary and unified the masses, Obama for all his goods, has failed, immensely more at helping organizations sustain success

 

[Gutterpump]

Republicans would piss me off a lot less if they weren't so freaking anti-science/intellectual. It's like being intelligent is such a horrible thing to them. I can see being against Obama, but I can't see why ANYONE would be for Romney in his place.

Basically if you aren't voting third party (or abstaining) you're the problem.

I would have to strongly agree with this.

 

[Gutterpump]

I agree it will be George W. Bush all over again, but it will be George W.'s 4th term, the 3rd being Obama. I do not see any difference between Bush and Obama other than Obama being Bush on steroids and the next term whoever wins will increase dosages without pct.

Obama doesn't have ogre Cheney controlling him though. Big difference. Can't hate on Obama for actually being pragmatic through bipartisanship. Can't say the same for the party of no.

 

[Geoforce]

I would have to strongly agree with this.

It's stuff like that from the right that just annoys me. Also stupid crap like "Obama bowed to leader X when the custom over there is to do that!"

You can hate on Obama for a ton of stuff, but pretty much every President has bowed to other leaders if that is the custom. You know who started it? George Washington.

 

[ax1]

Obama doesn't have ogre Cheney controlling him though. Big difference. Can't hate on Obama for actually being pragmatic through bipartisanship. Can't say the same for the party of no.

Obama is just a puppet the same way Bush was. Obama has the ogre banks and ogre corporations controlling him.

Being bipartisan is very easy and automatic since there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats, both parties are financed by the same people. Its a duopoly system giving people the illusion of choice.

 

[ax1]

Oh Cmon, if Romnesia can pass, so can Birther. FWIW I am not even close to being a republican.

The issue with the birther...Im convinced (but not positive) that the fraudulent birth certificate that was tampered with then released on whitehouse.gov wasnt to hide his place of birth, but rather to conceal who his real father was which was originally listed as "unknown."

Regardless, Hawaiian law allows for those birth certificates to be given out to anybody so it is not a legitimate document for place of birth.

The law, Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8 states:

“Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

This is a loophole that allows foreigners to establish US citizenship even if the parents aren't citizens.

Anyways, none of this matters as much as his actual policy, wars, executive orders, +more which are terrible.

 

[EasyEJL]

Obama doesn't have ogre Cheney controlling him though. Big difference. Can't hate on Obama for actually being pragmatic through bipartisanship. Can't say the same for the party of no.

you are out of your ****ing mind. Obama isn't pragmatic, he's dogmatic. His idea of bipartisanship was "the people elected me, do exactly as I say without any of your input or changes"

 

[ax1]

you are out of your ****ing mind. Obama isn't pragmatic, he's dogmatic. His idea of bipartisanship was "the people elected me, do exactly as I say without any of your input or changes"

Yes...

Obama has signed more executive orders than any president in history (wow, not even 1 term completed yet,) 140 to date (and counting) making his presidency a dictatorship. I will call it as I see it, Obama is a dictator. Making matters worse, some of his executive orders and actions destroys our Bill of Rights.

Official source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/executive-orders

 

[Invycktus]

But the reality really is that Tories in general are rising to power, be it the Brits or be here. America would be a lot more self reliant if we learnt how to manage expectations. Successful people built this country, that does not imply that being poor or not well to do (like most of us) is a sin, it just means we need to want it more.

I find it appalling that Obama and his cronies have not embraced this. Bill Maher, on his show with Nick Gillespie and Rachel Maddow, said that in this country we have a culture of punishing failure. I am not sure I would have my kids listen to that. We do not punish failure, we want you to fear it, because failing at something is the first step towards success, not a reason for you to start fingerpointing at others.

Memphis for eg is a prime example of people with the victim mentality multiplying by the dozens and preaching the mentality to the future generations.

Does it make me a bad person to want success and prosperity as much as Trump and Buffet? No it does not, but if I am not working hard for it, and saying well Trump's Dad gave it to him or as the Man says "You did not build that", thats absolute bollocks, I deserve to rot for not taking responsibility of my actions. Every man worth his salt has to work hard for it, Obama or Bush, Jindal or Biden does not matter.

I wish this society of ours would move up from the scavenger mentality that we have gotten into, in the last 4-6 years and into the capitalist boomers that we know we can be.

Just my .02

 

[Gutterpump]

you are out of your ****ing mind. Obama isn't pragmatic, he's dogmatic. His idea of bipartisanship was "the people elected me, do exactly as I say without any of your input or changes"

Yes...

Obama has signed more executive orders than any president in history (wow, not even 1 term completed yet,) 140 to date (and counting) making his presidency a dictatorship. I will call it as I see it, Obama is a dictator. Making matters worse, some of his executive orders and actions destroys our Bill of Rights.

Official source: Executive Orders | The White House

I take it both of you are ignorant to the fact that he was basically forced to, due to the Republican House blocking EVERYTHING, and saying NO to EVERYTHING without putting effort into any sort of real bipartisanship agreement. That's how Republicans these days like to govern...basically freeze all decision making, holding the American people hostage to their BS.

Yep, I'm bonkers Easy! A raving lunatic!

Obama is as centrist as they come.

 

[Geoforce]

But the reality really is that Tories in general are rising to power, be it the Brits or be here. America would be a lot more self reliant if we learnt how to manage expectations. Successful people built this country, that does not imply that being poor or not well to do (like most of us) is a sin, it just means we need to want it more.

I find it appalling that Obama and his cronies have not embraced this. Bill Maher, on his show with Nick Gillespie and Rachel Maddow, said that in this country we have a culture of punishing failure. I am not sure I would have my kids listen to that. We do not punish failure, we want you to fear it, because failing at something is the first step towards success, not a reason for you to start fingerpointing at others.

Memphis for eg is a prime example of people with the victim mentality multiplying by the dozens and preaching the mentality to the future generations.

Does it make me a bad person to want success and prosperity as much as Trump and Buffet? No it does not, but if I am not working hard for it, and saying well Trump's Dad gave it to him or as the Man says "You did not build that", thats absolute bollocks, I deserve to rot for not taking responsibility of my actions. Every man worth his salt has to work hard for it, Obama or Bush, Jindal or Biden does not matter.

I wish this society of ours would move up from the scavenger mentality that we have gotten into, in the last 4-6 years and into the capitalist boomers that we know we can be.

Just my .02

This is what society has become though. We never blame ourselves. Blame the President, blame the gov't, sue corporations for you falling in a store, blame McDonald's for your obesity, watch trashy people on reality TV shows, be lazy as ****. Until we take some personal ownership for our lives we are screwed. We have the government we've demanded. Hurricane Katrina happens and WHERE IS THE GOVERNMENT? Come save me from myself government! Ban smoking, ban weed, bail me out, keep gays from getting married, just fix things for me! Blame government for why my kid can't read ignoring the fact that we are responsible for their upbringing.

Pointing the finger is the new American way. Most people simply don't care anymore. We have HD TV, Playstation 3, and pizza stores open 24 hours. We're content to be average.

 

[Invycktus]

I take it both of you are ignorant to the fact that he was basically forced to, due to the Republican House blocking EVERYTHING, and saying NO to EVERYTHING without putting effort into any sort of real bipartisanship agreement. That's how Republicans these days like to govern...basically freeze all decision making, holding the American people hostage to their BS.

Yep, I'm bonkers Easy! A raving lunatic!

Obama is as centrist as they come.

Easy there pal, there are barely 4-5 of us who frequent this place, no point in name calling and operating in a "Everybody is a c*nt" mode. Its fine that we have differing opinions lets have a discussion about it, without resorting to petty name calling.


Stewart made a very interesting point about Repubs blocking a benefit bill for Vets over some crazy filibustering move. Saw it last night when he interviewed the two vets on his show.

Now that is when an executive order should become mandatory, however I fail to see why some of the others would be allowed to go thru. Whatever happened to the Fast and Furious mafia.

 

[EasyEJL]

I take it both of you are ignorant to the fact that he was basically forced to, due to the Republican House blocking EVERYTHING, and saying NO to EVERYTHING without putting effort into any sort of real bipartisanship agreement. That's how Republicans these days like to govern...basically freeze all decision making, holding the American people hostage to their BS.

Yep, I'm bonkers Easy! A raving lunatic!

Obama is as centrist as they come.

He wasn't forced to lock the republicans out of the health care negotiations during his first year, yet he did. You are ****ing nuts as you seem to think as Obama does, that he has dictatorial rights and can ignore the representatives of half the population since they aren't in his party. He has made no effort whatsoever into anything bipartisan his entire 4 years. Those republicans were voted in because the public ALREADY had seen that Obama was governing as a dictator, and the exact reason they were voted in was to put brakes on his and Pelosi's insane goals that run contrary to the constitution and common sense. The american people weren't held hostage, the american people WANT obama stopped from pursuing a democrat only strategy to everything.

 

[Invycktus]

This is what society has become though. We never blame ourselves. Blame the President, blame the gov't, sue corporations for you falling in a store, blame McDonald's for your obesity, watch trashy people on reality TV shows, be lazy as ****.

How much of that is down to the appreciation of mediocrity that is handed out of the white house? Does not matter Red or Blue, both are equally guilty of this. I am not looking to go all Ron Paul on everyone here, but maybe we should vote in a third person to take democracy back.

Until we take some personal ownership for our lives we are screwed. We have the government we've demanded. Hurricane Katrina happens and WHERE IS THE GOVERNMENT? Come save me from myself government! Ban smoking, ban weed, bail me out

Legalizing certain recreational drugs cannot be a bad thing, and in certain areas that would be the best thing to happen ever for their economy.

Lets just say this part I agree with

keep gays from getting married, just fix things for me!

Have never supported the movement, and probably never will, lets just agree that I am a conservative in certain aspects.

Blame government for why my kid can't read ignoring the fact that we are responsible for their upbringing.

Absolutely, this is what winds me up immensely, I am disturbed at how far behind kids here are, compared to schools in India.

Pointing the finger is the new American way. Most people simply don't care anymore. We have HD TV, Playstation 3, and pizza stores open 24 hours. We're content to be average.

I guess this is where responsibility of action comes into play. Completely off related reference, but in this James Cameroon spoofing south park episode, the bar is set so low, that contentment is at an all time high. We need to realize our expectations from life have been lowered so much, that now suddenly we are absolutely tanked and the measure of contentment is really not there. A Best Buy Manager described to me that buying a HD TV is a life changing experience, lets just say, i tore him 2 new ones that evening.

 

[Invycktus]

The american people weren't held hostage, the american people WANT obama stopped from pursuing a democrat only strategy to everything.

I probably agree to this piece over here, the rest not so much. He has a habit of prototyping republicans as gun totting scooters, which is really not true.

 

[Gutterpump]

You are ****ing nuts

Yep I know, a raging lunatic I said. Completely blinded!

 

[ax1]

Obama is as centrist as they come.

So if signing executive orders that destroy our Bill of Rights and Constitution is "centrist" being a centrist is inhumane, lol

 

[Geoforce]

How much of that is down to the appreciation of mediocrity that is handed out of the white house? Does not matter Red or Blue, both are equally guilty of this. I am not looking to go all Ron Paul on everyone here, but maybe we should vote in a third person to take democracy back.

Could not agree more. I think a lot of it has to do with how satisfied we are ourselves with mediocrity. Our basic needs are taken care of so we are good to go.

Have never supported the movement, and probably never will, lets just agree that I am a conservative in certain aspects.

I'm not gay nor really care a bunch about the movement but I have no idea why it is the government's job to legislate this and not individual churches. The whole institution of marriage argument is such a crock. Most marriages end in divorce and you can get married by Elvis in Vegas in 5 minutes. Some institution that is, save it government! Let's let churches marry who they want, but agree to disagree I guess.

Absolutely, this is what winds me up immensely, I am disturbed at how far behind kids here are, compared to schools in India.

We blame the government, we should be blaming ourselves. We have gotten extremely lazy in our education from a parent perspective. When I have kids I'm going to be responsible for them learning even if they go to a public school. Again this is another reason why the conservative anti-science anti-intellectual stuff pisses me off so much.

 

[ax1]

WHERE IS THE GOVERNMENT?

Im not a Reagan fan but some things he said were right on,

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan 40th president of US

 

[Geoforce]

The american people weren't held hostage, the american people WANT obama stopped from pursuing a democrat only strategy to everything.

This might be the new rules of politics. Freeze out the other side by not letting any discussion take place. When things go bad it's perfect for the team in the minority. Another reason why we need to ditch this two party nonsense. Being a moderate or working with the other side is now the most evil thing anyone can do left or right. Most of American isn't super far left or super far right, but that's who both parties are trying to appeal to and we are all losing because of it.

 

[Geoforce]

Im not a Reagan fan but some things he said were right on,

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan 40th president of US

Reagan was an unbelievable hypocrite sadly. Talked small government, but walked big government.

 

[Gutterpump]

So if signing executive orders that destroy our Bill of Rights and Constitution is "centrist" being a centrist is inhumane, lol

Pretty sure he was doing this to allow America to function. We had important things to pass, the GOP publicly said they would block everything that comes through, as much as they could - no matter what it was. It's a ridiculous way to function. Like I was saying, it's scary what the GOP has become. The party does not deserve the name GOP.

 

[Gutterpump]

Any seriously Easy, why lower yourself to throwing around personal insults when you don't agree with someone's politics? Bit immature innit?

 

[Gutterpump]

Easy there pal, there are barely 4-5 of us who frequent this place, no point in name calling and operating in a "Everybody is a c*nt" mode. Its fine that we have differing opinions lets have a discussion about it, without resorting to petty name calling.

You may need to re-read. I wasn't calling anyone a name in here. Other way around. I was sarcastically agreeing with Easy that I'm f&*king nuts bruva. I agree with you, it's immature and unnecessary.

 

[Geoforce]

Pretty sure he was doing this to allow America to function. We had important things to pass, the GOP publicly said they would block everything that comes through, as much as they could - no matter what it was. It's a ridiculous way to function. Like I was saying, it's scary what the GOP has become. The party does not deserve the name GOP.

The GOP isn't scary as long as you desire to have a theocracy. They might actually worry me as an agnostic more than the far left's loony ideas. Sadly these are the two choices we are left with.

 

[ax1]

Pretty sure he was doing this to allow America to function. We had important things to pass, the GOP publicly said they would block everything that comes through, as much as they could - no matter what it was. It's a ridiculous way to function. Like I was saying, it's scary what the GOP has become. The party does not deserve the name GOP.

Se lets cover some of Obama's executive orders that are "allowing America to function"

Keep in mind, Obama swore to oath to protect our Constitution and he burned it to ashes.

Ok so in order to allow America to function we must allow the government to indefinitely detail Americans and even murder them without trial.

In order to allow America to function we must allow the executive to illegally bypass congress and go to NATO for authority to go to war and bomb the crap out of Lybia.

In order to allow America to function we must allow the military to take control of all our countries natural resources including the homes of all Americans in both a time of war and peace.

In order to allow America to function we must allow the military to detain any and or all Americans and force them to serve the military in a time of war and peace.

In order to allow America to function we must use the NDAA act to bully and detail our Journalists.

In order to allow America to function we must allow unlimited spying on Americans, warrant-less wiretapping, warrant-less arrest, warrant-less detainment, basically destroy the privacy of all Americans that were supposed to be protected by our Bill of Rights that Obama swore to protect, our "Constitutional Lawyer President." Although he did campaign against this 4 years ago and end these Bush era policies, but then turn around and made them worse.

You have to love Obama's secret unconstitutional "kill list" with Americans on it. This is what we need to allow America to function.

If this is what it takes to allow America to function, this isnt America anymore its China.

 

[Gutterpump]

Honestly though, I'm a bit shocked to see that people in here don't view Obama as centrist. It's not just an opinion folks.Remove yourself and your own opinions for a minute from this equation....regardless of where your principles and loyalty lies. Look at the WORLD's view of Obama even, and you will see the majority of people view him as centrist. Numbers alone speak volumes, without having to go into all the details of why. It's just general knowledge.

 

[EasyEJL]

Any seriously Easy, why lower yourself to throwing around personal insults when you don't agree with someone's politics? Bit immature innit?

so you insulting a person's ideology and belief points is ok, but I can't tell you that you have to be a delusional wreckage to think Obama attempted any bipartisanship? I'll stand by "you are ****ing nuts to believe what you say you beleive"

 

[EasyEJL]

Honestly though, I'm a bit shocked to see that people in here don't view Obama as centrist. It's not just an opinion folks.Remove yourself and your own opinions for a minute from this equation....regardless of where your principles and loyalty lies. Look at the WORLD's view of Obama even, and you will see the majority of people view him as centrist. Numbers alone speak volumes, without having to go into all the details of why. It's just general knowledge.

Yes, Chavez, Ahmenajad, Castro all view Obama as a moderate. General knowledge is crap, general knowledge said the earth was flat at a certain point in time, and that the sun revolved around the earth.

 

[Gutterpump]

Se lets cover some of Obama's executive orders that are "allowing America to function"

Keep in mind, Obama swore to oath to protect our Constitution and he burned it to ashes.

Ok so in order to allow America to function we must allow the government to indefinitely detail Americans and even murder them without trial.

In order to allow America to function we must allow the executive to illegally bypass congress and go to NATO for authority to go to war and bomb the crap out of Lybia.

In order to allow America to function we must allow the military to take control of all our countries natural resources including the homes of all Americans in both a time of war and peace.

In order to allow America to function we must allow the military to detain any and or all Americans and force them to serve the military in a time of war and peace.

In order to allow America to function we must use the NDAA act to bully and detail our Journalists.

In order to allow America to function we must allow unlimited spying on Americans, warrant-less wiretapping, warrant-less arrest, warrant-less detainment, basically destroy the privacy of all Americans that were supposed to be protected by our Bill of Rights that Obama swore to protect, our "Constitutional Lawyer President." Although he did campaign against this 4 years ago and end these Bush era policies, but then turn around and made them worse.

You have to love Obama's secret unconstitutional "kill list" with Americans on it. This is what we need to allow America to function.

If this is what it takes to allow America to function, this isnt America anymore its China.

When was the draft reinstated? That is news to me.

The military is in control of our oil, gas, solar, water, forestry, etc? Huh?

And yes I agree with what you are saying about the monitoring of our own citizens, and how homeland security has been functioning. But you know what? I have nothing to hide... so I'm ok personally. Not saying that I agree with how things have been though here, with our own citizens living in fear of our own police, and their own rights being violated.. etc. That is a much larger issue than a partisan issue though. It's been an issue in American for many years.

If you are speaking of opinions here as well, I am all for drones. Not too sure about homeland drones though, but again, I have nothing to hide. Spying is not a new concept either, and it's not a Democrat concept as well.


Back to my original point though, which you didn't address, the GOP has done nothing in the past years to help the American people while being the House majority. They have played nothing but political games to further their own agenda, not the people's.

 

[Gutterpump]

so you insulting a person's ideology and belief points is ok, but I can't tell you that you have to be a delusional wreckage to think Obama attempted any bipartisanship? I'll stand by "you are ****ing nuts to believe what you say you beleive"

I am not anti-GOP whatsoever, and have stated this already. But the party is falling apart, I think we all can agree on this!

 

[EasyEJL]

Back to my original point though, which you didn't address, the GOP has done nothing in the past years to help the American people while being the House majority. They have played nothing but political games to further their own agenda, not the people's.

more proof of your delusions. The house has passed a dozen jobs bills, all stuck in the democrat controlled senate. The house has passed multiple budgets, the senate 0.

 

[EasyEJL]

I am not anti-GOP whatsoever, and have stated this already. But the party is falling apart, I think we all can agree on this!

no, thats a convient marketing line for ideologues on the other side to use. Otherwise romney wouldn't have a majority in most every poll, and holding a majority of electoral college votes as per realclearpolitics.com

 

[Gutterpump]

Yes, Chavez, Ahmenajad, Castro all view Obama as a moderate. General knowledge is crap, general knowledge said the earth was flat at a certain point in time, and that the sun revolved around the earth.

LOL I am not talking about the views of a few socialist countries. By WORLD view I mean, the majority of people's view...

 

[ax1]

Honestly though, I'm a bit shocked to see that people in here don't view Obama as centrist. It's not just an opinion folks.Remove yourself and your own opinions for a minute from this equation....regardless of where your principles and loyalty lies. Look at the WORLD's view of Obama even, and you will see the majority of people view him as centrist. Numbers alone speak volumes, without having to go into all the details of why. It's just general knowledge.

I voted for Obama 4 years ago.

He can be a centrist thats fine, but my whole point is both left and right within our government are primarily funded and lobbied by the same corporations and banks. There is no difference between the two or being a centrist. 99% of the planet can view him as a centrist, I call it as I see it, he is a bankster corporate mafia criminal.

Personally I do not support left, right or centrist. All 3 of those views are xtreme. Abolish the political parties and all the labeling of left, right, conservative, liberal, it really doesnt mean anything.

 

[EasyEJL]

LOL I am not talking about the views of a few socialist countries. By WORLD view I mean, the majority of people's view...

like the majority who believe the earth was flat, or the majority here who believe you can't get big or lose fat without eating 6-8 meals a day. A lot of people believing something doesn't make it true, sorry.

 

[Gutterpump]

no, thats a convient marketing line for ideologues on the other side to use

No? I'm not allowed to prefer real solid conservative leaders like we've had in the past, over what we're offered now by the GOP? Really? Now you are telling me no..I'm not allowed to hold this opinion? Yeaaaaaahhh whatever man.

I would take Bush Sr ANYDAY over Jr. It's been going nothing but downhill for the GOP since Jr was originally in office. Can you tell me that there has been one solid person run for office since then for them in the last two elections?

Honestly, I would vote for any party, so long as it was for a real solid moderate candidate. Romney may say he's moderate, but in the debates and the past few months, it's been very forthcoming how much he changes his words to suit his audience.

 

[AE14]

I take it both of you are ignorant to the fact that he was basically forced to, due to the Republican House blocking EVERYTHING, and saying NO to EVERYTHING without putting effort into any sort of real bipartisanship agreement. That's how Republicans these days like to govern...basically freeze all decision making, holding the American people hostage to their BS.



Obama is as centrist as they come.

there are a plethora of issues here. blaming 1 party is laughable, and I am sure that you know that. Neither side is willing to be bipartisan, but that also includes Obama. Additionally, saying he is a centrist doesnt make it so. I would love for an explanation on how a socialized health care system is centrist? Lets just start there

 

[ax1]

No? I'm not allowed to prefer real solid conservative leaders like we've had in the past, over what we're offered now by the GOP? Really? Now you are telling me no..I'm not allowed to hold this opinion? Yeaaaaaahhh whatever man.

I would take Bush Sr ANYDAY over Jr. It's been going nothing but downhill for the GOP since Jr was originally in office. Can you tell me that there has been one solid person run for office since then for them in the last two elections?

Honestly, I would vote for any party, so long as it was for a real solid moderate candidate. Romney may say he's moderate, but in the debates and the past few months, it's been very forthcoming how much he changes his words to suit his audience.

You cant seriously even take these debates seriously, can you? Its just a puppet show, its has only 1% significance and most people already decided who won the debate before it even took place.

Any undecided voter basing their vote on what they see on these corporate controlled, closed off to the rest of the election (Gary Johnson legally should be on them) is seriously only choosing on what Hollywood movie is better than the other.

 

[Gutterpump]

I voted for Obama 4 years ago.

He can be a centrist thats fine, but my whole point is both left and right within our government are primarily funded and lobbied by the same corporations and banks. There is no difference between the two or being a centrist. 99% of the planet can view him as a centrist, I call it as I see it, he is a bankster corporate mafia criminal.

Personally I do not support left, right or centrist. All 3 of those views are xtreme. Abolish the political parties and all the labeling of left, right, conservative, liberal, it really doesnt mean anything.

I mostly agree with you here, and I think it's very difficult to function in everyone's interest within a 2 party system.

The remarks about him being a mafia criminal seem a bit extreme though, but I do respect your stance about both parties. But if these politicians can't think for themselves, then how is he going about these executive orders and decisions? Do we blame the banks and call them the dictators? Is it the mafia that are the dictators? Is Obama the dictator as you and others stated in this thread? Or is he being controlled as the same people claim? Seems a bit contradictory to say these things.

I am just curious though, who will you vote for this year? If you don't mind me asking.

 

[Gutterpump]

You cant seriously even take these debates seriously, can you? Its just a puppet show, its has only 1% significance and most people already decided who won the debate before it even took place.

Any undecided voter basing their vote on what they see on these corporate controlled, closed off to the rest of the election (Gary Johnson legally should be on them) is seriously only choosing on what Hollywood movie is better than the other.

Not just the debates, but they are based off of observations and speeches made by Romney to various audiences.

 

[Gutterpump]

Personally I do not support left, right or centrist. All 3 of those views are xtreme.

Also ax1, I must have skipped over this point, but how is being a Centrist extreme? Moderate and Extreme, they are opposites of each other. I'm sure you have an explanation, just curious what you meant by this. A true moderate has everyone's interests in mind, and is the epitome of pragmatism.

 

[ax1]

I mostly agree with you here, and I think it's very difficult to function in everyone's interest within a 2 party system.

The remarks about him being a mafia criminal seem a bit extreme though, but I do respect your stance about both parties. But if these politicians can't think for themselves, then how is he going about these executive orders and decisions? Do we blame the banks and call them the dictators? Is it the mafia that are the dictators? Is Obama the dictator as you and others stated in this thread? Or is he being controlled as the same people claim? Seems a bit contradictory to say these things.

I am just curious though, who will you vote for this year? If you don't mind me asking.

Obama is the President executing decisions, so the blame ultimately going to lay on him. His allegiance is the those who finance and lobby him, not the voters. I blame the system as a whole, I never actually mean to single Obama out and Congress is a huge problem as well.

I am not voting for a President this election. I am not voting 3rd party and Im not voting a fill in ballot. I dont want them to use my 3rd party vote and use it to show support for this broken system that is decided by those who finance it. They will use my vote and say so and so many people came and voted for this...etc....I dont want this corrupt system to use my vote. Not this election, 4 years from now I may differ opinion.

Not voting because you dont care is ignorance. Not voting with intent because you care is a vote for no. Im not voting because Im voting no and a vote for no is a vote that counts.

Im already considering supporting a grassroots movement for Jesse Ventura in 2016. He will only run if he is guaranteed to be on every ballot in all 50 states + Puerto Rico...and he will only run if he is guaranteed to be on every national debate. He is abolishing all corporate lobby money for his campaign and he will abolish lobby in the Whitehouse should he win. I dont think anything significant will happen but I dont need to be on a winning team, just the right team.

 

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Also ax1, I must have skipped over this point, but how is being a Centrist extreme? Moderate and Extreme, they are opposites of each other. I'm sure you have an explanation, just curious what you meant by this. A true moderate has everyone's interests in mind, and is the epitome of pragmatism.

Because the mass media promotes this illusion of what left and right should be, and the only alternative they really give you is to be in the middle.

There are far more views than left, right and middle, ultimately Im about individualism and moving away from political ideology.

Im a political atheist, but dont even want to call myself that because it still doesnt define me. Hope thats understandable. Hard to express all my thoughts and keep my posts short, lol

 

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There are far more views than left, right and middle, ultimately Im about individualism and moving away from political ideology.
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By the term "individualism" I mean an end to all labels in politics and having people run as "Gary, Mary or Joe' without any labels attached to them. Having everyone in mind is good, but when it comes to politics a label quickly becomes a gang pack mentality and blind faith voting. Then it will be used against one another, "he is a socialist" "he is a conservative" "all conservatives are racists, all liberals are communists, etc..."

Also all political systems and determined ideologies are prone to corporate, banker special interest infiltration and will quickly become corrupt.

We are a messed up complicated species arent we? lol

 

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Former Secretary of State Colin Powell endorsed President Barack Obama for a second term Thursday.

"You know, I voted for him in 2008 and I plan to stick with him in 2012, and I'll be voting for he and Vice President Joe Biden next month," he said on CBS' "This Morning."

Asked whether it was an endorsement, he said, "Yes."

Powell praised the president's handling of the economy and ending of the Iraq War.

"I think we ought to keep on the track we are on," he said.

Powell said he had the "utmost respect" for Mitt Romney, but criticized his tax plan.

He said Romney's foreign policy was a "moving target." "One day he has a certain strong view about staying in Afghanistan, but then on Monday night he agrees with the withdrawal. Same thing in Iraq. On every issue that was discussed on Monday night, Gov. Romney agreed with the president with some nuances. But this is quite a different set of foreign policy views than he had earlier in the campaign."

Powell, a Republican who served in President George W. Bush's first term, backed Obama in 2008. He was frequently mentioned as a potential Republican challenger against Bill Clinton in 1996, but decided against it.

UPDATE: 12:27 p.m. -- President Barack Obama called Powell on Thursday morning to thank him for the endorsement, according to Obama campaign traveling press secretary Jen Psaki. They did not discuss joint appearances. She said they were "very excited" about it and said they “think it sends a strong signal about why [Obama] should be sent back for another four years to be commander in chief.”

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) blasted Powell on Fox News Radio's "Kilmeade & Friends" Thursday morning.

"Well, I’m just saddened because, you know, I used to be a great admirer of Colin Powell. We were friends. I think one of the sad aspects of his career is going to the United Nations Security Council and telling them things about Iraq that were absolutely false," he said.

"Obviously, my view of the situation in Iraq is we’re losing," he continued. "We’re losing what we won thanks to the surge. Al Qaeda is doubled. There’s training camps in Western Iraq. In Afghanistan, all we do is say we’re leaving. Al Qaeda is on the comeback all over northern Africa. They’ve taken over parts of Mali. All I can say is that Gen. Powell, you disappoint us and you have harmed your legacy even further by defending what has clearly been the most feckless foreign policy in my lifetime."



McCain still hurt about Powell not endorsing him in 2008

Taken from the Huff Po.

 

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When was the draft reinstated? That is news to me.

The military is in control of our oil, gas, solar, water, forestry, etc? Huh?

I was skimming through the thread and missed this important part.

Obama extends Patriot act, http://articles.cnn.com/2011-05-27/politics/congress.patriot.act_1_lone-wolf-provision-patriot-act-provisions-fisa-court?_s=PM:POLITICS

NDAA act was signed and approved this past new years while everybody was out getting drunk, H.R. 1540 which eliminates our 6th amendment in our Bill of Rights. Provisions in this act have also been used to bully journalists and Obama has had the court issue more subpoenas to journalists than any president in history since the 1917 Espionage Act was established.

The military is allowed control of all our natural resources including your own home with Executive Order 13603 "NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS" on 3/16/2012. This act also basically re-instates the draft by allowing military to take anyone and force them to labor for undefined "national security" purposes AND in a time of peactime.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness

 

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Some highlights of Obama's executive order 13603 "NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS"

The head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense is delegated the authority of the President under section 107(b)(1) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2077(b)(1), to take appropriate action to ensure that critical components, critical technology items, essential materials, and industrial resources are available from reliable sources when needed to meet defense requirements during peacetime, graduated mobilization, and national emergency.

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Obama allowing the U.S. government to induct and draft citizens into the military against their will and mobilization of “labor” for purposes of the national defense.

Sec. 601. Secretary of Labor. (a) The Secretary of Labor, in coordination with the Secretary of Defense and the heads of other agencies, as deemed appropriate by the Secretary of Labor, shall:

(1) collect and maintain data necessary to make a continuing appraisal of the Nation's workforce needs for purposes of national defense;
(2) upon request by the Director of Selective Service, and in coordination with the Secretary of Defense, assist the Director of Selective Service in development of policies regulating the induction and deferment of persons for duty in the armed services;
(3) upon request from the head of an agency with authority under this order, consult with that agency with respect to: (i) the effect of contemplated actions on labor demand and utilization; (ii) the relation of labor demand to materials and facilities requirements; and (iii) such other matters as will assist in making the exercise of priority and allocations functions consistent with effective utilization and distribution of labor;

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Obama specifically designates that Secretaries now have the authority to commandeer all domestic U.S. resources including food and water.

(1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;
(2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;
(3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;
(4) the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;
(5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and
(6) the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.

 

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I was skimming through the thread and missed this important part.

Obama extends Patriot act, http://articles.cnn.com/2011-05-27/politics/congress.patriot.act_1_lone-wolf-provision-patriot-act-provisions-fisa-court?_s=PM:POLITICS

NDAA act was signed and approved this past new years while everybody was out getting drunk, H.R. 1540 which eliminates our 6th amendment in our Bill of Rights. Provisions in this act have also been used to bully journalists and Obama has had the court issue more subpoenas to journalists than any president in history since the 1917 Espionage Act was established.

The military is allowed control of all our natural resources including your own home with Executive Order 13603 "NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS" on 3/16/2012. This act also basically re-instates the draft by allowing military to take anyone and force them to labor for undefined "national security" purposes AND in a time of peactime.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness

Thanks for sharing these! Definitely news to me.

Going off the first topic, if the Government has this amount of control, why couldn't they have stopped this book from the ex-CIA / special forces agent from being published? Blows my mind how things like this get released to the public. It's none of the public's business how the CIA/special forces conduct operations, in that amount of detail. It only hurts us to expose ourselves like this.

Is it just me, or does anyone else think we've been releasing too much information to the press/public about operations and such? It's one thing informing your people, but you're giving all these details to the enemy as well.

 

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Some highlights of Obama's executive order 13603 "NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS"

The head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense is delegated the authority of the President under section 107(b)(1) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2077(b)(1), to take appropriate action to ensure that critical components, critical technology items, essential materials, and industrial resources are available from reliable sources when needed to meet defense requirements during peacetime, graduated mobilization, and national emergency.

Do you know their rational for adding that part? I'm curious... they must have some sort of serious reasoning behind that sort of move. Seems fairly extreme.