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Ergobolic causing severe muscle/joint pain

chedapalooza

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The purpose of ergobolic is to reduce cortisol. But if you dont have cortisol you cannot fight inflammation..

I have been on for two weeks and having increasing pain, every day gets worse. Now I am losing sleep and can barely walk without a limp. My back and leg muscles are swollen and burning. My knees and hips r clicking and tight. I've always had SOME pain from a previous illness as a teenager.. I'm 24 now. And I am wondering if it is reasonable to believe that this supplement could be causing increased pain. I am taking cissus xt to combat the joint issues (not muscular). It's only seemed to help my hands fingers and elbows.
 
That is odd...I ran 2 bottles of Ergobolic and even with 4 weeks of Reduce-XT and I didn't get that...Got the most awesome sleep of this year so far (along with a good dose of Melatonin haha). Hm...I would say cut all cortisol control supplements like you plan and probably change to a more fat-allowing diet, drink more water, and dose Fish oils like there's no tomorrow. Cissus-XT is a nice addition too, I would say try hitting up Orange Triad too, it's Flex and Joint complex is good and it pairs up nicely with the aforementioned.
 
Celorza said:
That is odd...I ran 2 bottles of Ergobolic and even with 4 weeks of Reduce-XT and I didn't get that...Got the most awesome sleep of this year so far (along with a good dose of Melatonin haha). Hm...I would say cut all cortisol control supplements like you plan and probably change to a more fat-allowing diet, drink more water, and dose Fish oils like there's no tomorrow. Cissus-XT is a nice addition too, I would say try hitting up Orange Triad too, it's Flex and Joint complex is good and it pairs up nicely with the aforementioned.
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Yea man I did a bunch of reading and in showing all major serious signs of low cortisol.. I feel like a frail old man. My Research told me that low cort can cause your body to reveal 'hidden ailments' like arthritis that it otherwise suppresses under nomal circumstances

I have a very unique medical history
 
chedapalooza said:
Yea man I did a bunch of reading and in showing all major serious signs of low cortisol.. I feel like a frail old man. My Research told me that low cort can cause your body to reveal 'hidden ailments' like arthritis that it otherwise suppresses under nomal circumstances

I have a very unique medical history
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Oh it does indeed tend to do that, gets rather uncomfortable with the joints. I gotta admit I never knew sore joints until I did Reduce-XT and Erase haha, it was only some days , upper body mainly...My football and dirt bike injuries in the shoulder do spike up from time to time haha. It's the saddening truth of us who played football Cam...we must bear our injuries as proud fallen warriors.
 
Celorza said:
Oh it does indeed tend to do that, gets rather uncomfortable with the joints. I gotta admit I never knew sore joints until I did Reduce-XT and Erase haha, it was only some days , upper body mainly...My football and dirt bike injuries in the shoulder do spike up from time to time haha. It's the saddening truth of us who played football Cam...we must bear our injuries as proud fallen warriors.
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Yeaa well erase never bothers me! I've used 4 a day for 6 weeks along with a diuretic! And I mean I Felt dry.. but NOTHING like this. This is straight up pain like only way to get rid of it is Not be awake! Lol but hipeduly things regulate in the next few days. Never thought I'd want to RAISE my cortisol haha
 
Does your medical history involve GI conditions?
 
bdcc said:
Does your medical history involve GI conditions?
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Not so much no. It is essentially anorexia. 190 down to 90 pounds at age 16-18. Had liver and kidney issues, organ atrophy, obviously extremely catabolic time period. Lost bone mass and density. Loss of sexual function, etc. So now my body does not handle stresses adequately.. I have realized though that I am lactose intolerant as of late, never used to be as a child or teen.
 
chedapalooza said:
Not so much no. It is essentially anorexia. 190 down to 90 pounds at age 16-18. Had liver and kidney issues, organ atrophy, obviously extremely catabolic time period. Lost bone mass and density. Loss of sexual function, etc. So now my body does not handle stresses adequately.. I have realized though that I am lactose intolerant as of late, never used to be as a child or teen.
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Dude, you left all this out in our PM conversations....Someone who has chronically deprived themselves to the point of organ dysfunction should never​ use anything that lowers cortisol.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Dude, you left all this out in our PM conversations....Someone who has chronically deprived themselves to the point of organ dysfunction should never use anything that lowers cortisol.
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Ooh yea it wasn't intentional, you know I've been trying to right the ship.. It seems so long ago (7 years) but I guess there must sill be permanent changes or effects.. To be exact, my kidneys were not concentrating And liver wise I had an outrageously high bun and creatinine kinase level due to the muscle wasting, so much so that I was not allowed to even take walks or get out of bed while in the hospital. Yet I would sneak to the bathroom to do pushups and dips in the shower while an IV was in my wrist. For real. I'm actually writing a memoir on it for my senior thesis and hope to have it published sooner than later! Anyway- I had an AVG pulse of about 30-40 and extremely low bp for about a year. All hair growth ceased, etc.. I shrank an inch and a half! So yea I didn't know that I should avoid cortisol lowering supps... Does this include anabeta elite? I'm assuming yes
 
chedapalooza said:
Ooh yea it wasn't intentional, you know I've been trying to right the ship.. It seems so long ago (7 years) but I guess there must sill be permanent changes or effects.. To be exact, my kidneys were not concentrating And liver wise I had an outrageously high bun and creatinine kinase level due to the muscle wasting, so much so that I was not allowed to even take walks or get out of bed while in the hospital. Yet I would sneak to the bathroom to do pushups and dips in the shower while an IV was in my wrist. For real. I'm actually writing a memoir on it for my senior thesis and hope to have it published sooner than later! Anyway- I had an AVG pulse of about 30-40 and extremely low bp for about a year. All hair growth ceased, etc.. I shrank an inch and a half! So yea I didn't know that I should avoid cortisol lowering supps... Does this include anabeta elite? I'm assuming yes
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YES! 95% Standardized forskolin lowers cortisol, albeit not that much unless ran for longer periods but still...Cam please stay off most of the hormonal supplements and get clearance from your PCP before doing this again!...No wonder you were having those problems with your squat...Ever thought about checking with an Endocrinologist to see if any hormonal imbalances were caused by teenage anorexia too?
 
Celorza said:
YES! 95% Standardized forskolin lowers cortisol, albeit not that much unless ran for longer periods but still...Cam please stay off most of the hormonal supplements and get clearance from your PCP before doing this again!...No wonder you were having those problems with your squat...Ever thought about checking with an Endocrinologist to see if any hormonal imbalances were caused by teenage anorexia too?
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I went to one. He shrugge me off. Took simple blood work, nothing intensive what so ever.. All basic panels. Said o was fine.. My test was 472 and free test was like 70 something.. No estradiol done, no cortisol, no tsh, t3 NOTHING. *******.. Wasted my time and money
 
T-Bone said:
Sounds pretty bad. I had severe pain on Erase Pro, my body just couldn't take that stuff. Pain didn't stop till at least 1 full week off of it.
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Yea after a week on epro I couldn't do it.. Same effects as lean xtreme- erase works great fr me tho thank god. At least I finally know now.
 
chedapalooza said:
I went to one. He shrugge me off. Took simple blood work, nothing intensive what so ever.. All basic panels. Said o was fine.. My test was 472 and free test was like 70 something.. No estradiol done, no cortisol, no tsh, t3 NOTHING. *******.. Wasted my time and money
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Hm...Honestly get a better doctor and get referred to proper Specialists (not like the one you visited :/) to get Kidneys and Liver checked...Your lower back pain COULD be kidney issues and you just haven't experienced any urinal side effects of them, not common but not unheard of either.
 
Celorza said:
Hm...Honestly get a better doctor and get referred to proper Specialists (not like the one you visited :/) to get Kidneys and Liver checked...Your lower back pain COULD be kidney issues and you just haven't experienced any urinal side effects of them, not common but not unheard of either.
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Good point .

Now y'all know I'm not just a crazy complaining wimp lol , theres actually a reason for this!
 
chedapalooza said:
So everyone agrees anabeta elite shouldn't be used?
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The original is much better anyway. It is for me that is. Same thing with erase. Erase Pro I couldn't handle I was in pain within 3 days or so. I used erase though and I was fine. Regular anabeta I love, but the elite version just didn't seem to do as much for me.
 
Not gonna argue with that call actually...Cam listen to reason...(Coops middle name was Reason)
 
T-Bone said:
The original is much better anyway. It is for me that is. Same thing with erase. Erase Pro I couldn't handle I was in pain within 3 days or so. I used erase though and I was fine. Regular anabeta I love, but the elite version just didn't seem to do as much for me.
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Yea I haven't used elite yet. Have this one bottle.. But I reall love using original .. Couldn't ask for much more in a natty product!
 
mr.cooper69 said:
If I were you, I would cease using every​ supplement you own (creatine included) until you get a full metabolic panel done.
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Also, not cool to tweet that a supplement causes certain negative effects without disclosing your complicated medical situation.
 
ErgoGenix said:
Also, not cool to tweet that a supplement causes certain negative effects without disclosing your complicated medical situation.
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I apologize for the title of the thread. I meant no malintent toward your company. In fact I plan on using ergotest in the future. I do have a very unique set of circumstances and respond to supplements very differently than the Majority of the population.

I did not mean to come off as saying "x causes y" it was more so in my case... X causes y, I THINK- and wanted to get feedback. Luckily, I was able to discern the underlying cause and subsequent affect from using ergobolic. It came very highly recommended. I had no idea someone with my background should not be using cortisol control supplements. I am sorry if I offended you or caused any issues. I will delete the thread if you so wish.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Clear. You have 1 PM for the next 24 hours (serious) so make it count
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Omg lol. Then you just lost your discount on our deal! Jk, I know I've been extra chatty lately. I'll make it count.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
No, you've been fine. I have a very big exam coming up
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I understand man. Do your thing! If u didn't study so much you woulnt be such a big help around here. You should really become a doctor/specialist if you're not already doing that.
 
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