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Is it me or do I have bad genes?

Bigk2487

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I'll make this short and sweet:
I am 25 yrs. old and have been regularly since college. I've been through all kinds of supps that just don't seems to work(MP products, Jackd, BSN products, yada yada yada). I've been consistent with my protein intake and have recently increased it to gain some mass;I have included casein as well. I've taken all sorts of pills from the animal stacks to the USPLabs and even hydroxy pills. I think I have gyno; wait I know I have it and have had it since the teens. I've tried everything to reduce it and nothing seems to work; surgery is not an option. After all the trials and errors, I came across a few friends that started "injecting". I know that most of these forums don't recommend that for people that have no legitimate knowledge, but am thinking of trying it and looking for a good beginning stack to maybe cut my BF and reduce my gyno. Through all this, I've been able to manage to have "cut" arms which is in turn my strongest area including my back; of course, my chest and legs are my weak points. I've read that deca and test E are a good combo and was considering trying that. But along with that I have read that I need a good PCT as well. This is what I can hopefully get some good advice from you all. Maybe start with DBOL instead of injecting? I need some serious help from some experienced men; I hope to find that through you all. Thanks for whatever you can deliver!
 
Maybe that wasn't so short...:/. Forgot to add my lifts:
Bench: 205 for 5
Squat: 375 for 5
Dead: 400 for 5
Military: 145 for 5
 
My advice would be to spend 6 months to a year learning about biology, chemistry, and physiology. Learn exactly what exogenous testosterone is and what it does in the body. Sort through past posts of guys who know what they're talking about, look at clinical citations, read some books. While you're doing that, continue to hone your diet and training. Once you respect the process, and can tell US what you're going to do, then you're ready.
 
Rhadam said:
My advice would be to spend 6 months to a year learning about biology, chemistry, and physiology. Learn exactly what exogenous testosterone is and what it does in the body. Sort through past posts of guys who know what they're talking about, look at clinical citations, read some books. While you're doing that, continue to hone your diet and training. Once you respect the process, and can tell US what you're going to do, then you're ready.
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I'am going to be honest; I haven't done that just yet. But how many guys actually spend that much time on a those topics unless they went to school for that? I've done a lot of research the past 4-5 years throughout college; and its got me some pretty good results. But I continue to hit that plateau with the supplements that I have taken the past few years and am ready for what you would call an upgrade. Reason why I am reaching out to the Anabolic Forum. If you have a stack for a guy like me to try out, let me know!
 
What kind of diet are you on?
What does your workout program look like?
You left a lot of variables unanswered.
The more information you give us the better we can help.
Based on your size and age, it seems like you still have a long way to go naturally.
And finally, if you plan on running anabolics ever,
Then you better become an expert on the subject.
Just my opinion.
Good luck.
Peace
 
Yeh, but if ur prone to gunpowder don't do any hormones injectable or Ph, don't even do natty for now.
I would cut as much body fat as possible. Then if u want start working back up lean.

Easiest way I think is EC/ECA. if u can get ur body fat down more, like 10ish . U will see a big reduction in gyno

Roids may only complicate ur gyno, I would stay away for now
 
toddgranit said:
What kind of diet are you on?
What does your workout program look like?
You left a lot of variables unanswered.
The more information you give us the better we can help.
Based on your size and age, it seems like you still have a long way to go naturally.
And finally, if you plan on running anabolics ever,
Then you better become an expert on the subject.
Just my opinion.
Good luck.
Peace
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Diet is pretty strict. As of right now, I normally drink a fresh fruit drink mixed with a scoop of Decacor creatine. After an hour or so, I follow that with 5-6 eggs with half piece of multi-grain toast. Maybe some hummus on the side. Protein and water btwn breakfast and lunch. Then for lunch, I am Indian, so I eat greens ranging from okra to spinach with some oat filled tortillas. Or just a 1/4 of lunch meat with some crackers. Before working out, I take Casein with BCAA pills and a scoop of Decacor(I stopped taking my normal pre-workout of MP Assault) and also a thermogenic fat burner(Hydroxystim)--->My caffeine boost. Follow workout up with Syntha 6 and another scoop of decacor. Hour within workout, I juice a mixture of vegetables ranging from kale, celery, carrots, tomatoes, lemon, ginger, spinach, and a few others. Then I eat a meal consisting of some sort of meat(Steak, Chicken, Lamb, Goat, Etc.). And when I am good about it, I do a scoop of Casein before bed.

Workout program is:
Monday: Military Press- 5x5, then 4 supporting exercises and finish doing reps of chest workouts
Tuesday: Deadlifts- 5x5, then supporting exercises with reps of leg workouts
Wednesday: Cardio
Thursday: Bench Press- 5x5, then supporting exercises and finish with reps of Tri
Friday: Squats- 5x5, then supporting exercises and finish up with reps of shoulder
Sat: Bi and Tri, kind of an off day, do some cardio and what not.
Sunday: bike ride, run, sprints, whatever I can handle.

My major problem is the gyno. I've been looking up letro and exemestane for possible solutions. Been pretty self-conscious about it since the teens. I figured my workout routine would help; hasn't since I started working out seriously at the age of 19
 
murk01 said:
Yeh, but if ur prone to gunpowder don't do any hormones injectable or Ph, don't even do natty for now.
I would cut as much body fat as possible. Then if u want start working back up lean.

Easiest way I think is EC/ECA. if u can get ur body fat down more, like 10ish . U will see a big reduction in gyno

Roids may only complicate ur gyno, I would stay away for now
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Any advice besides cardio for cutting body fat? Supplements? I've been running a lot for the past few years, but seems to cancel out my mass gaining portion of my workouts. Trust me, I've fought the gyno my whole life; surgery is not an option for me though.
 
The reason for your plateau is simple and cannot be remedied with anabolics: you need to eat a LOT more.
 
Rodja said:
The reason for your plateau is simple and cannot be remedied with anabolics: you need to eat a LOT more.
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I usually eat a lot. That was just the average. Of course my diet does have its speed bumps. But I focus on chicken breast a lot. Fajita mix. I result to protein shakes to get the protein intake.
 
Bigk2487 said:
I usually eat a lot. That was just the average. Of course my diet does have its speed bumps. But I focus on chicken breast a lot. Fajita mix. I result to protein shakes to get the protein intake.
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Your lack of progress suggest otherwise and you admitted to being inconsistent with your diet. Focusing on that and not anabolics should be your primary concern.
 
Bigk2487 said:
Any advice besides cardio for cutting body fat? Supplements? I've been running a lot for the past few years, but seems to cancel out my mass gaining portion of my workouts. Trust me, I've fought the gyno my whole life; surgery is not an option for me though.
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Yeh. Try eca / ephedra-caffeine-babyasprin. There is a lot of info on that stack. Also low/no Carb diet 2week intervails. Also like animal cuts a lot, but it better when u drop ur bf% skittles more.
What is ur body fat % right now, just a wild guess, I'm thinking ur like 20ish.
If u don't know, then u need to find out so u can measure ur progress.

This combo:
-low to no carb- that includes all sweets. All u should eat is a lot of veg, lean meat and fruits. In order of importance.
- high volume/intensity weight training, super sets.
-eca for two weeks, animal cuts 3 weeks, repeat.
-over a gal water a day.

Do this strickly for a month or two if u can. U will see dramatic decrease in fat. And very quickly,
 
Bigk2487 said:
I'am going to be honest; I haven't done that just yet. But how many guys actually spend that much time on a those topics unless they went to school for that? I've done a lot of research the past 4-5 years throughout college; and its got me some pretty good results. But I continue to hit that plateau with the supplements that I have taken the past few years and am ready for what you would call an upgrade. Reason why I am reaching out to the Anabolic Forum. If you have a stack for a guy like me to try out, let me know!
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I can't speak for the other guys here, but from being on these and other forums for years i've seen many guys "think" they're ready for a cycle (either oral or inject), and flop hard. They end up putting a lot of stress on their bodies and wasting a lot of money just to lose gains post cycle. Then they realize their diet and training was not as solid as they thought. I spent about a year learning about what all the stuff i mentioned, then ran 2 crap oral cycles which i flopped hard on, then took another year to learn.

It's a lot harder than you think for someone who's not a professional bodybuilder or strongman/powerlifter to hit their natural potential. 99% if the time if you've stalled on gains it's because you're simply not fueling your body (with food) to make those gains.
 
Rhadam said:
I can't speak for the other guys here, but from being on these and other forums for years i've seen many guys "think" they're ready for a cycle (either oral or inject), and flop hard. They end up putting a lot of stress on their bodies and wasting a lot of money just to lose gains post cycle. Then they realize their diet and training was not as solid as they thought. I spent about a year learning about what all the stuff i mentioned, then ran 2 crap oral cycles which i flopped hard on, then took another year to learn.

It's a lot harder than you think for someone who's not a professional bodybuilder or strongman/powerlifter to hit their natural potential. 99% if the time if you've stalled on gains it's because you're simply not fueling your body (with food) to make those gains.
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yeah, I know I have been researching these topics for years before I started to cycle. Many people don't, but if you are one of these people PLEASE at least research the compounds you are taking and proper PCT I notice too many people go through, take hard drugs and have no idea what to do once they are off... If you have any specific questions PM me and ill willingly help, I don't like seeing people **** up their bodies because they don't know what they are doing. Also Rhadam is correct, if you are stalling on gains its usually to do with diet or else a lack of energy in the gym.
 
I can testify on the gyno part. Had it since early teens. The heavier I am the worse it looks. I've been fat skinny back to fat. I'm bulking at the moment. Have been honestly for about 8 months. And will clean it all off later.

I wouldn't waste your money on an AI at this point. I did before I ever took a PH and it did nothing. (that's actually how I found this site) decided the best way to not be so concerned with it was to improve my body as best as I can and then as much as it sucks just try and accept it.

I feel ya on surgery. I have a 8 week old and a 2 year old I'm not so selfish to spend thousands just to clear up a self image thing. I can spend my money on vacations and stuff for my kids.

I also agree with the others. I thought I was eating enough at one point to. Start counting your calories. You'd be surprised. I used to eat like 5-6 chicken breasts a day for the protein and thought I was eating a piss load of calories... But there isn't really a lot of calories in a diet like that. What I thought was 3k calories was really like 2200 and there is a huge difference I between the two. 800 calories a day could be all that departed you from growing.

So I know it sucks but seriously wrote it down. If 3k doesn't work after 3 weeks or so, go to 3.5k or 4. It's simple math you. You eat more than you burn you gain weight. Could be muscle, could be fat. But you WILL gain... So earths right foods and bump up the calories. I like cyto gainers and stuff, those can really bump up your intake. 550 calorie per shake 50+ carbs and protein. Drink one a day, that doesn't work go to 2 a day. You will start spending a crap load on supps and protein but you will gain.

I really only take Karbolyn and protein, krill oil and creating and BCAA. I'm on no other supps. And I starts gaining once I started coutting.
 
I appreciate all of your input(s). I feel like I've dieted pretty hard, yet the simple fact is that I can't gain the muscle that I expect, even after 6 years. I just need a different routine I guess. I've been mixing up my workouts every 3 months, started juicing at night(vegetables that is), and Fruit juicing in the mornings with my creatine. I guess I will have to start mixing in some new foods to gain more. But I still want to keep lean(I know by now its hard to get the best of both worlds...:/). Thinking about starting other fat burning supps; maybe forskolin? Any others? I'am strictly on a protein/creatine load because I wanted to phase off of all the NO's. Just to see if I could still get it. Im taking hydroxystim as of right now. All the supps seem to be doing NOTHING!!!
 
Bigk2487 said:
I appreciate all of your input(s). I feel like I've dieted pretty hard, yet the simple fact is that I can't gain the muscle that I expect, even after 6 years. I just need a different routine I guess. I've been mixing up my workouts every 3 months, started juicing at night(vegetables that is), and Fruit juicing in the mornings with my creatine. I guess I will have to start mixing in some new foods to gain more. But I still want to keep lean(I know by now its hard to get the best of both worlds...:/). Thinking about starting other fat burning supps; maybe forskolin? Any others? I'am strictly on a protein/creatine load because I wanted to phase off of all the NO's. Just to see if I could still get it. Im taking hydroxystim as of right now. All the supps seem to be doing NOTHING!!!
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Supplements are just that man...SUPPLEMENTS to diet and training. Theres no such thing as a magic pill. If your diet and training isn't there they aren't going to do anything for you. If you want a fat burner start reading on ECA. Things take time man. Don't expect huge changes over night. Good luck man.
 
If you've been training your ass off for 6 years and obviously have the diet and training in order i see no reason why you can't start AAS.
 
Bigk2487 said:
I think I have gyno; wait I know I have it and have had it since the teens.
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was that an epiphany on the spot? are u sure it's gyno and not just fat?

if it is gyno, lowering carbs, sugar, sodium (more of a keto diet), not taking creatine or caffeine, and taking nolvadex and an ai here and there works like a charm ime.. but only when i'm at a lower bf%. once i get higher up not much helps with it. painful and irritating as fuarkin sh*t all day. #sucksbro
 
Your lifting totals are not bad at all. The problem now is that you are no longer a newb, but your knowledge, nutrition, and training have not moved to the level of an intermediate. Furthermore, you "think" you are doing everything correct and that it's just your genetics holding you back.

To be fair, genetics do play a big role. Some guys may thrive of less than perfect diets and training. Most however need to continually improve in both.

I like some aspects of your training. However, when was the last time you tried something new? If 5x5 is no longer producing results, try a high volume routine for 8 weeks or so. You also have a lot of activity. I'd take at least one completely off day.

Diet needs to be carefully evaluated as most others have suggested. There is a lot of room for improvement here.

See if you can find someone to coach you for a while. This doesn't need to be a "personal trainer". Better to find someone who is knowledgable, has been at it for a while, and has the physique your looking for.


GL
 
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