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I'm putting together a set-up for my first cycle. I plan on doing a 8 week test-e cycle with a Nandrolone or Dianabol kick start at the beginning. What I need to know is what you guys recommend for amount of test-e, amount of kick start, on cycle supps, and PCT. And any other supps I should take on/post. I've read some about AIs and PCTs but I want to see what the consensus is for this kind of cycle.

I'm 32, 6'3", 205 pounds, low BF%, and looking to put on about 15-20 pounds of sustainable muscle.
 
15-20 pounds sustainable muscle seems a lil bit ambitious to me.
Anyhow.

Weeks 1-12 test E 500mg
Weeks 1-6 dbol 50mg ED ( If you think this is too high you can drop the dose to 40mg and run it 4 weeks.

As for pct I'd run Nolva.
 
nightterror said:
1-12 Test-e 500mg/PW
1-4 NPP 100mg EOD
1-10 Deca-durabolin 400mg/PW
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Please forgive my newb-ness, but what is NPP?

Also, when you say Deca 400mg/PW, are you recommending injectable Deca over oral? And if so, would I just inject it at the same time I inject the test?
 
norton12005 said:
Guys,

Hint!

Its his first cycle.......So what you should do is get your baseline results first before you start.....HDL,LDL,TTE,LFT,CBC,RBC, etc............

Then you do a test only cycle for 8-12weeks--first cycle
Then two compounds...........second cycle
Then two or three compounds..........third cycle

Your good to go!
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Thanks for the info. Reps! I understand the test only first cycle. I have no issues doing that if it's the best idea to forego the kick start on the first cycle. For cycle's 2 and 3, when you say two or three compounds, do you mean 1 or 2 respectively on top of the test?
 
IPOM said:
Thanks for the info. Reps! I understand the test only first cycle. I have no issues doing that if it's the best idea to forego the kick start on the first cycle. For cycle's 2 and 3, when you say two or three compounds, do you mean 1 or 2 respectively on top of the test?
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NPP is a shorter ester for DECA (used to kickstart deca durabolin often)
Deca durabolin will give you very nice mass gains.I personally have not run it but I've read about it a lot although I've done test,tren masteron and other anabolics with very low side effects and on high dosages and deca will be in my next cycle for sure.
 
If you keep 10-12 pounds I'd be very happy if I were you. Have you decided on what you're going to do?
 
Sankha said:
If you keep 10-12 pounds I'd be very happy if I were you. Have you decided on what you're going to do?
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Not yet. I'd really like to try a cycle, but I have a few variables that are keeping me from pulling the trigger. One, I'm in the military and two, I don't have a source. I would try ordering it over the internet but it's hard to tell who's legit and who's not. Most of the sites want Western Union and that just doesn't seem legit to me. If they keep your money and send nothing, what recourse would someone have?
 
IPOM said:
I'm putting together a set-up for my first cycle. I plan on doing a 8 week test-e cycle with a Nandrolone or Dianabol kick start at the beginning. What I need to know is what you guys recommend for amount of test-e, amount of kick start, on cycle supps, and PCT. And any other supps I should take on/post. I've read some about AIs and PCTs but I want to see what the consensus is for this kind of cycle.

I'm 32, 6'3", 205 pounds, low BF%, and looking to put on about 15-20 pounds of sustainable muscle.
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Here's what you should do.
1-16wk, test-e 500mg/wk = 2x250/wk
1-14wk, nandrolone ( deca ) 400mg/wk = 2x200/wk
1-6wk, dbol 40mg/wk
1-16wk, HCG 1000iu/wk = 2x500/wk
1-16wk, Arimidex/AI 0,5mg/eod

Test is the base, dbol for the kickstart, deca to blow up your muscles, HCG to keep your balls working ( helps you to start your own production ) and AI keeps away the problems from estros and not let you get puffy and sh*t. As for PCT I'd wait 4 weeks after the last test shot before starting it just to make sure all that sh*t is gone and would do it wit clomid. I know the lenght of this cycle is a little bit longer they usually recommend over here but it has to be if you are using deca and want to get the max gains from it. It doesnt start working propelry until week 6 or something, so it would be quite dumb to stop the cycle after 8 weeks or so. Thats just my idea, but a fukkin good one.
 
Warwarrior said:
Here's what you should do.
1-16wk, test-e 500mg/wk = 2x250/wk
1-14wk, nandrolone ( deca ) 400mg/wk = 2x200/wk
1-6wk, dbol 40mg/wk
1-16wk, HCG 1000iu/wk = 2x500/wk
1-16wk, Arimidex/AI 0,5mg/eod

Test is the base, dbol for the kickstart, deca to blow up your muscles, HCG to keep your balls working ( helps you to start your own production ) and AI keeps away the problems from estros and not let you get puffy and sh*t. As for PCT I'd wait 4 weeks after the last test shot before starting it just to make sure all that sh*t is gone and would do it wit clomid. I know the lenght of this cycle is a little bit longer they usually recommend over here but it has to be if you are using deca and want to get the max gains from it. It doesnt start working propelry until week 6 or something, so it would be quite dumb to stop the cycle after 8 weeks or so. Thats just my idea, but a fukkin good one.
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Thanks for the info! I'll definitely take that into consideration if I decide to do the test/deca cycle. I may try that in the future, after a test only cycle. I'm going to take some other advice I got here and, if I decide to go gear, do a test only cycle to see how my body reacts to basic anabolics before I throw several compounds at it. Again, great insite. I appreciate it.
 
In all honesty man I would only run 1 compound for your first cycle. If your running multiple compounds and don't react well with one of them how are you going to know which one is the problem??? A very simple test cycle is plenty to see some pretty good gains. I'm in my 6th week of my first cycle and I went with strictly test and have seen awesome increases so far. Your gonna have to wait longer to see results but IMO it will be worth it if sh*t goes south. Good luck though either way.
 
IPOM said:
Thanks for the info! I'll definitely take that into consideration if I decide to do the test/deca cycle. I may try that in the future, after a test only cycle. I'm going to take some other advice I got here and, if I decide to go gear, do a test only cycle to see how my body reacts to basic anabolics before I throw several compounds at it. Again, great insite. I appreciate it.
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Didn't see this before my post lol...good choice
 
Warwarrior said:
Here's what you should do.
1-16wk, test-e 500mg/wk = 2x250/wk
1-14wk, nandrolone ( deca ) 400mg/wk = 2x200/wk
1-6wk, dbol 40mg/wk
1-16wk, HCG 1000iu/wk = 2x500/wk
1-16wk, Arimidex/AI 0,5mg/eod

Test is the base, dbol for the kickstart, deca to blow up your muscles, HCG to keep your balls working ( helps you to start your own production ) and AI keeps away the problems from estros and not let you get puffy and sh*t. As for PCT I'd wait 4 weeks after the last test shot before starting it just to make sure all that sh*t is gone and would do it wit clomid. I know the lenght of this cycle is a little bit longer they usually recommend over here but it has to be if you are using deca and want to get the max gains from it. It doesnt start working propelry until week 6 or something, so it would be quite dumb to stop the cycle after 8 weeks or so. Thats just my idea, but a fukkin good one.
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^^^^this=stupid
 
Danb2285 said:
In all honesty man I would only run 1 compound for your first cycle. If your running multiple compounds and don't react well with one of them how are you going to know which one is the problem??? A very simple test cycle is plenty to see some pretty good gains. I'm in my 6th week of my first cycle and I went with strictly test and have seen awesome increases so far. Your gonna have to wait longer to see results but IMO it will be worth it if sh*t goes south. Good luck though either way.
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^^^^this =smart rep will follow nice post Dan!
 
BigShadow said:
^^^^this=stupid
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And why is that? Just because you guys have a habit to recommend test only for first cycle doesnt make it "the best first cycle".

In the original post he specifically asked about test, deca and dbol cycle, not test only cycle. But whatever. When I want to do the most pus*y cycle with crap gains i'll hit you up biaz.
 
So how does this sounds...

Week 1-10 = Test-E 500mg/week (250mg twice a week)
Week 1-10 = Arimidex 0.5mg ED
Week 11-14 = Clomid 100/50/50/25
Week 11-14 = ERASE 3/2/2/1
Week 11-14 = DAA 3g/3g/3g/3g
Week 1-14 = AI Cycle Support

Is there anything else you guys think I need for this? I assume I just cut the Adex pills in half with a razor?.... Also, what size/type syringes/needles do you guys like? Is there a specific natty booster you guys like to use during your PCTs?

I assume I don't need any support supps because I'm not messing with orals yet....
 
IPOM said:
So how does this sounds...

Week 1-10 = Test-E 500mg/week (250mg twice a week)
Week 1-10 = Arimidex 0.5mg ED
Week 11-14 = Clomid 100/50/50/25
Week 11-14 = ERASE 3/2/2/1
Week 11-14 = DAA 3g/3g/3g/3g
Week 1-14 = AI Cycle Support

Is there anything else you guys think I need for this? I assume I just cut the Adex pills in half with a razor?.... Also, what size/type syringes/needles do you guys like? Is there a specific natty booster you guys like to use during your PCTs?

I assume I don't need any support supps because I'm not messing with orals yet....
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In my opinion test and clomid's fine but you should half the adex dose. As for the Erase and DAA I dunno, never used them.
 
Looks good, but:

Start the clomid 2 weeks after your last shot, not week 11. Run for 4 weeks.
Keep up with the arimidex through the end of pct.
Drop the daa. With clomid and arimidex you are well covered as is.
 
And as far as the adex dose, just go by feel. I always err on the high side since I like to stay dry and keep estrogen low, but that's me. Start at the .5mg eod and go from there. You will know if you need to go up or down based on nip sensitivity, face bloat, etc.
 
Warwarrior said:
And why is that? Just because you guys have a habit to recommend test only for first cycle doesnt make it "the best first cycle".

In the original post he specifically asked about test, deca and dbol cycle, not test only cycle. But whatever. When I want to do the most pus*y cycle with crap gains i'll hit you up biaz.
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Wasn't going to respond to u because of the childish name calling but decided to anyways! First what do u mean by u guys? Do u mean mostly everyone on here with more then 18 posts? And just because a newb states hes thinking of running 3 compounds doesn't mean u should chime in with a 16 week run for a first cycle. And when is just running test give u pu$$y crap gains? Bro u got a lot to learn!
 
BigShadow said:
Wasn't going to respond to u because of the childish name calling but decided to anyways! First what do u mean by u guys? Do u mean mostly everyone on here with more then 18 posts? And just because a newb states hes thinking of running 3 compounds doesn't mean u should chime in with a 16 week run for a first cycle. And when is just running test give u pu$$y crap gains? Bro u got a lot to learn!
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First, by you guys I meant you and Danb, the guys who recommended the test only cycle in this thread. Does that make sense to you?
Second, post count, really? Bro it's just internet. Doesn't count anywhere else.
As for the gains, I can honestly say that test only for 10 weeks isn't anywhere near 16 weeks test,deca & dbol set.
But like being said I was just giving the OP an answer and wasn't planning to get into an internet argument, but that comment of yours wasn't quite appropriate, infact it was childish.

I think we should accept there are difference in opinions and you ain't no judge to call whats right or what's not, neither am I.
 
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