PH Cycle Advise

daveydoodle

daveydoodle

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I always felt bad for the guys who posted this exact post because they always used to get blasted by everyone, but I guess I'll take it with a grain of salt and use the good advise that I can. Here goes...

Haven't done a pro hormone cycle in almost 3 years now, however I have had 5-6 cycles under my belt since 2004 so I am familiar with the gains, losses and sides. I'd like to run a short 4-6 week cycle with what I have remaining, and then make the jump from orals.

I'd like to run the M1T with 4-ad(UTT) that I have. My question obviously is dosage recommendations and more importantly PCT. Since it's been a few years I'm sure there are better options available, and I don't feel my PCT was that strong to begin with. So, for the numbers...

35 y/o 6'4" 225 around 12-14% bf. The last and only previous time I ran M1T was in April/May 2008. It looked like this- (All daily)

Week 1 - 10mg M1T / 10mg M-drol
Week 2 - 20mg M1T / 10mg M-drol
Week 3 - 20mg M1T / 20mg M-drol / 600mg 4ad
Week 4 -20 mg M1T / 20mg M-drol / 800mg 4ad

Supp Supps
Glutamine 10g
BCAA 550 4 X per day
ALA 1.2g
Milt Thistle 2g
RYR 2.4g
Policosonol 20mg
Flax Seed Oil 3g
Hawthorne berry 1.2g

The PCT was
Week 1 - Tamoxifen Citrate 20mg / AI Post Cycle Support 4 caps /
Week 2 - Tamoxifen Citrate 30mg / AI Post Cycle Support 4 caps / SNS Inhibit E 2 caps
Week 3 - Tamoxifen Citrate 30mg / AI Post Cycle Support 4 caps / SNS Inhibit E 3 caps / Activate Extreme 4 caps
Week 4 - Tamoxifen Citrate 20mg / AI Post Cycle Support 4 caps / SNS Inhibit E 4 caps / Activate Extreme 6 caps

The gains were certainly there, however I didn't keep as much of them as I would have liked. I think this was a large part due to the PCT. The sides were managable, mainly lethargy and I had a hard time force feeding myself calories when I knew I needed them. It was a 4 week cycle and after week 2 I had blood work done, here are those numbers and the retest 1 week after the completion of PCT.

Cholesterol 130MG/DL 141
Triglyceride 80MG/DL 93
HDL 10MG/DL 41
LDL 104MG/DL 81
Cholesterol, non-HDL 120MG/DL
AST 32
ALT 45
Alkaline-Phosphatase 41
Albumin 4.6
Bilirubin, total 0.4
Bilirubin, conjugated 0.1
Testosterone, Total 55NG/DL 1299

After the long post, my question(s) are, that I plan to run 10-20mg of M1T daily for no more than 4 weeks. Does anyone have experience with better results running 1-2 weeks on, 1 week off, then another 1-2 weeks on of M1T? ( I've read about a few cycles like this with M1T) At what dose should I be using the 4ad? and most importantly, the Nolvadex is a must, but a better PCT in conjunction with this?

It's been a few years since I posted here but unarguably I still think this is still the best collection of knowledge and experience. I know the lumps are coming with the advise so I'll take 'em and hope that the posts are intended to be in my best interests, so thanks. Let me know if there are any questions or stats I didn't provide.
 
daveydoodle said:
I always felt bad for the guys who posted this exact post because they always used to get blasted by everyone, but I guess I'll take it with a grain of salt and use the good advise that I can. Here goes...

Haven't done a pro hormone cycle in almost 3 years now, however I have had 5-6 cycles under my belt since 2004 so I am familiar with the gains, losses and sides. I'd like to run a short 4-6 week cycle with what I have remaining, and then make the jump from orals.

I'd like to run the M1T with 4-ad(UTT) that I have. My question obviously is dosage recommendations and more importantly PCT. Since it's been a few years I'm sure there are better options available, and I don't feel my PCT was that strong to begin with. So, for the numbers...

35 y/o 6'4" 225 around 12-14% bf. The last and only previous time I ran M1T was in April/May 2008. It looked like this- (All daily)

Week 1 - 10mg M1T / 10mg M-drol
Week 2 - 20mg M1T / 10mg M-drol
Week 3 - 20mg M1T / 20mg M-drol / 600mg 4ad
Week 4 -20 mg M1T / 20mg M-drol / 800mg 4ad

Supp Supps
Glutamine 10g
BCAA 550 4 X per day
ALA 1.2g
Milt Thistle 2g
RYR 2.4g
Policosonol 20mg
Flax Seed Oil 3g
Hawthorne berry 1.2g

The PCT was
Week 1 - Tamoxifen Citrate 20mg / AI Post Cycle Support 4 caps /
Week 2 - Tamoxifen Citrate 30mg / AI Post Cycle Support 4 caps / SNS Inhibit E 2 caps
Week 3 - Tamoxifen Citrate 30mg / AI Post Cycle Support 4 caps / SNS Inhibit E 3 caps / Activate Extreme 4 caps
Week 4 - Tamoxifen Citrate 20mg / AI Post Cycle Support 4 caps / SNS Inhibit E 4 caps / Activate Extreme 6 caps

The gains were certainly there, however I didn't keep as much of them as I would have liked. I think this was a large part due to the PCT. The sides were managable, mainly lethargy and I had a hard time force feeding myself calories when I knew I needed them. It was a 4 week cycle and after week 2 I had blood work done, here are those numbers and the retest 1 week after the completion of PCT.

Cholesterol 130MG/DL 141
Triglyceride 80MG/DL 93
HDL 10MG/DL 41
LDL 104MG/DL 81
Cholesterol, non-HDL 120MG/DL
AST 32
ALT 45
Alkaline-Phosphatase 41
Albumin 4.6
Bilirubin, total 0.4
Bilirubin, conjugated 0.1
Testosterone, Total 55NG/DL 1299

After the long post, my question(s) are, that I plan to run 10-20mg of M1T daily for no more than 4 weeks. Does anyone have experience with better results running 1-2 weeks on, 1 week off, then another 1-2 weeks on of M1T? ( I've read about a few cycles like this with M1T) At what dose should I be using the 4ad? and most importantly, the Nolvadex is a must, but a better PCT in conjunction with this?

It's been a few years since I posted here but unarguably I still think this is still the best collection of knowledge and experience. I know the lumps are coming with the advise so I'll take 'em and hope that the posts are intended to be in my best interests, so thanks. Let me know if there are any questions or stats I didn't provide.
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Well first thing is first.Atleast have an over the counter anti estrogen because of m1t and 4-ad.

4 AD has moderate estrogenic and androgenic side effects, as testosterone can convert to both estrogen and DHT and as 4 AD itself can convert to androstanediol (an androgen). At the high doses required with this compound, these side effects can become somewhat of a concern. Gynecomastia, hair loss, and acne are not uncommon with 4 AD. 4 AD is not a methylated prohormone, so liver stress is not a big concern. Two isomers exist of 4 AD, the 3-alpha and 3-beta isomers. The 3-beta isomer may be more androgenic and therefore cause greater androgenic side effects, but any 4 AD supplement will contain a mix of the two isomers.

I would dose 4-ad at 600 then 800 then 1000(commen dose) for 4 to 6 weeks.It's un methylated so liver friendly.m1t looks good and mdrol....your stacking 2 very toxic things here but doseage looks good.

As for support supps you mite want to drop the ALA and get r-ala and pick up some TUDCA.It has been shown to be very effective in the protection /regeneration of the liver.It has a study out there where they gave it to steroid abusers and it reversed most of the liver damage over a 3 or 4 month period.

Pct is good.Although I would use DAA and erase but thats just me.
The method you're describing with the M1t 2 weeks on 1 week off.That is a fast track way to hormone replacement therapy.
 
Sorry for the confusing post, I ran M1T and Mdrol last time, this cycle I was planning on just M1T and the 4-ad, although coincidentaly I DO still have Mdrol left as well. After the last M1T cycle my liver enzymes were elevated, but only slightly. Would it be better to drop the 4-ad and run a low dose M1T with Mdrol instead?
DAA and Erase are both new products since the last time I ran a cycle so I have been looking into and reading up on other peoples posts and reviews. Thanks for the response, I'll keep reading up. I'd like to start this one in the beginning of Sept.
 
I'm also reading up on the Cycle Assist and Liv52 as those are both new products for me since the last run. Amazing how many new things there are in just a few years...
 
Try for one last bump here. Anyone with a good cycle or imput on a M1T / 4-ad run? M1T with 4-ad seems to be a popular combination, however I also have Mdrol, Epistane and Winztrol.
From what I'm reading looks like Cycle assist, liv52 and the standard supporting supps on, then Tamox, Erase and DAA as a base for PCT. Any imput is appreciated!
 
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