Form-X The return of the Troll. LG Sponsored Production, Staring the Swole Troll-Chef
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Celorza
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Haha its ok brother! The thing is
You know I am a natty little fella 
! need more experience for myself and some years down the road!
roblasane
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I'm doing 5/3/1 mostly because I need a change. My current routine is very close Dave tates system and something I've used for a majority of my lifting . I needed to really change up to spark some motivation . You need to remember I'm pushing 43 less is more even when you're snacking on halovar . I may be completely off on my take of training styles but I'm pretty in tune on when I'm stalling. I'm fighting the urge but I know I really need a week away. When this PCT is done I'm not looking at anything heavy for 7 straight days.
roblasane
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Send it here !! I'll shotgun it all. I feel like hammered arse lately .
Celorza
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Perfect! , now remember that for 5/3/1 this is key:
Take 90% of your CURRENT MAX!! This = XXX (Again, this is 90% of 1RM)
Week 1
65% of XXX x 5
75% of XXX x 5
85% of XXX x 5+
Week 2
70% of XXX x 3
80% of XXX x 3
90% of XXX x 3+
Week 3
75% of XXX x 5
85% of XXX x 3
95% of XXX x 1+
Week 4
40% of XXX x 5
50% of XXX x 5
60% of XXX x 5
packers6211
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Been a hell of a ride Brother C and sad it's at it's end, but I know you won't stray for long just best make sure to hit packers up on new log when it goes down. Wicked review and your one intense mofo.
Day 45 8/1:
Final Day and dose today. So its time for the final review, first lets do some numbers ok guys?
Starting weight:135.6lbs
Final Weight: 140.8
Difference: +5.2 LBs
Lifts:
Before:
Squat- 225x2 BUT it was only above Parallel, proper squat below parallel was: 205x1
Deadlift-240x3
BP-185x1
OHP-100x1
After:
Squat- All the way to the ground: 225x1 (+25lbs)
Deadlift- 250x3 (+10lbs on the repping, Haven't attempted a 1 RM)
BP-185x1 (No change, bench is a b1tch)
OHP-105x3 (+5lbs and 2 more reps)
Ok lets start with the product review.
This were the goals:
Ok now on to the Editorial comment:
-Strength: It did go up and quite fast, I started feeling the full on effects of the strength increase after week 1. From then on strength kept rising and rising without any plateauing for the Lower and Upper body lifts. This was shown greatly in my Assistance exercises and in my 10 rep max increase on the Deadlift (210x10). Furthermore the BW exercises did see an increase in added weight, like finally reaching Chin ups with 45lbs hanging for 9 reps and also managing Dips at BW+70x5.
-Endurance: One of the most important aspects IMO, is to point out the fact that DAA does its amazing job are strength increasing, in the matter of volume too. I was able to achieve a 25lb increase in my 10 rep max for deadlifts, not something easy to do, also being able to reach chin ups at BWx30 going all the way up and all the way down, so full ROM. Another aspect I was not dissapointed was my endurance for cardio, Most of you know that I can go ahead and do 1 hour cardios like nothing, but on Form-X 1 hour would be nothing, and I had to control myself and stop because I am attempting to gain weight.
-Libido and Drive: Honestly, I can not lie, I have been in a sort of depression ever since my Ex left me and is now marrying another person by the end of this month...this had me on the down lows and honestly, no woman seemed worth the trouble again for me...I was devastated, well Form-X came and it Started up the engine in my testicles again haha, it seriously made me feel like a horny 13 year old again and I remembered one wise saying: "God gave us men 2 heads...with only enough blood for one, hence we tend to make wise choices" hahaha. Morning wood quality, penile sensitivity and perverted thoughts were OFF THE SCALE.
-Recovery: I gotta say, this is one aspect I hoped would improve a bit more. I would have thought that a bit more of hormonal balance would mean better recovery, however I was amazed at how Aggression can play a role in this, allow me to explain. Form-X does increase testosterone by having proven ingredients for said purpose, now this leads to a certain "Macho" attitude and aggression, the human psyche is heavily influenced by out motivations, and this increased aggression and "powerful+confident" feeling makes you need less rest because you are in control of your pain, even if the burn is high, even if the DOMs are eating you away, it won't matter, recovery between sets will be purely taken over by your mind and will-power to just throw weights around, and having proven that you do get a strength boost from this, you can only want more and more. Thus Recovery in a way is presented in between sets and inside the workout.
-Side effects: Well only one really to report, this is just one minor aspect that Not everyone is prone to! But I had the bad luck to have my body respond this way to DAA. Prolactin side effects. Progesterone can indeed be raised by DAA supplementation, and the AI did not work at controlling it, however let me very clear Form-X does NOT give Gynecomastia and it certainly won't bloat you either like just straight up DAA will. IMO the AI does a fantastic Job against Estrogen side effects, like bloat or emotional responses, BUT It does not work for Prolactin level spikes, however, it is over as soon as one is off the stack, so nothing to worry about.
Lean mass Gains: Numbers speak for themselves, paired with a good diet, it is a really good product to use for a Lean Bulk, since it will keep the bloat away and it will also help as an ergogenic aid for putting on Muscle Mass.
All in all, I can completely to the entirety of my judgement and free will give Form-X a grade of: 9/10 Based on the following Criteria.
Strength: 10/10. It honestly exceeded my expectations.
Endurance: 8/10.
Libido and Drive: 10/10
Side Effects: 7/10
Lean Mass Gains: 10/10. Note, this is more diet dependent, but it does indeed help IMO, without strength gains to push hypertrophy to its limits, this can NOT be achieved.
I want to thank DiabeticLftr and LG Sciences for letting me run this amazing product and Sponsoring me for Full 6 weeks. There aren't many companies out there who will just give you out free stuff in the hopes of getting an honest review out of you with progress updates. This was a way for me to try to compensate for the company being so nice to me, being honest and giving it my max effort. Not to mention I believe in Form-X now that I have tried it and I even purchased myself an extra bottle at the Planet. I recommend this product to anyone looking to increase strength, motivation, mood and endurance. Being so versatile I see it effective for Cut/Recomp/Bulk , in the aspect that in a caloric deficit it can and it will help maintain strength, while on the other hand, on a maintenance or surplus level it WILL help raise strength levels.
packers6211
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Been a hell of a ride Brother C and sad it's at it's end, but I know you won't stray for long just best make sure to hit packers up on new log when it goes down. Wicked review and your one intense mofo.
Celorza
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packers6211
Well-known member
Thanks bro! My next log should start tomorrow
OH SNAP WICKEDNESS HERE WE COME!!! JUST MADE MY NIGHT BRO C!!!!
fumoney
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Celorza said:Day 45 8/1:
Final Day and dose today. So its time for the final review, first lets do some numbers ok guys?
Starting weight:135.6lbs
Final Weight: 140.8
Difference: +5.2 LBs
Lifts:
Before:
Squat- 225x2 BUT it was only above Parallel, proper squat below parallel was: 205x1
Deadlift-240x3
BP-185x1
OHP-100x1
After:
Squat- All the way to the ground: 225x1 (+25lbs)
Deadlift- 250x3 (+10lbs on the repping, Haven't attempted a 1 RM)
BP-185x1 (No change, bench is a b1tch)
OHP-105x3 (+5lbs and 2 more reps)
Ok lets start with the product review.
This were the goals:
Ok now on to the Editorial comment:
-Strength: It did go up and quite fast, I started feeling the full on effects of the strength increase after week 1. From then on strength kept rising and rising without any plateauing for the Lower and Upper body lifts. This was shown greatly in my Assistance exercises and in my 10 rep max increase on the Deadlift (210x10). Furthermore the BW exercises did see an increase in added weight, like finally reaching Chin ups with 45lbs hanging for 9 reps and also managing Dips at BW+70x5.
-Endurance: One of the most important aspects IMO, is to point out the fact that DAA does its amazing job are strength increasing, in the matter of volume too. I was able to achieve a 25lb increase in my 10 rep max for deadlifts, not something easy to do, also being able to reach chin ups at BWx30 going all the way up and all the way down, so full ROM. Another aspect I was not dissapointed was my endurance for cardio, Most of you know that I can go ahead and do 1 hour cardios like nothing, but on Form-X 1 hour would be nothing, and I had to control myself and stop because I am attempting to gain weight.
-Libido and Drive: Honestly, I can not lie, I have been in a sort of depression ever since my Ex left me and is now marrying another person by the end of this month...this had me on the down lows and honestly, no woman seemed worth the trouble again for me...I was devastated, well Form-X came and it Started up the engine in my testicles again haha, it seriously made me feel like a horny 13 year old again and I remembered one wise saying: "God gave us men 2 heads...with only enough blood for one, hence we tend to make wise choices" hahaha. Morning wood quality, penile sensitivity and perverted thoughts were OFF THE SCALE.
-Recovery: I gotta say, this is one aspect I hoped would improve a bit more. I would have thought that a bit more of hormonal balance would mean better recovery, however I was amazed at how Aggression can play a role in this, allow me to explain. Form-X does increase testosterone by having proven ingredients for said purpose, now this leads to a certain "Macho" attitude and aggression, the human psyche is heavily influenced by out motivations, and this increased aggression and "powerful+confident" feeling makes you need less rest because you are in control of your pain, even if the burn is high, even if the DOMs are eating you away, it won't matter, recovery between sets will be purely taken over by your mind and will-power to just throw weights around, and having proven that you do get a strength boost from this, you can only want more and more. Thus Recovery in a way is presented in between sets and inside the workout.
-Side effects: Well only one really to report, this is just one minor aspect that Not everyone is prone to! But I had the bad luck to have my body respond this way to DAA. Prolactin side effects. Progesterone can indeed be raised by DAA supplementation, and the AI did not work at controlling it, however let me very clear Form-X does NOT give Gynecomastia and it certainly won't bloat you either like just straight up DAA will. IMO the AI does a fantastic Job against Estrogen side effects, like bloat or emotional responses, BUT It does not work for Prolactin level spikes, however, it is over as soon as one is off the stack, so nothing to worry about.
Lean mass Gains: Numbers speak for themselves, paired with a good diet, it is a really good product to use for a Lean Bulk, since it will keep the bloat away and it will also help as an ergogenic aid for putting on Muscle Mass.
All in all, I can completely to the entirety of my judgement and free will give Form-X a grade of: 9/10 Based on the following Criteria.
Strength: 10/10. It honestly exceeded my expectations.
Endurance: 8/10.
Libido and Drive: 10/10
Side Effects: 7/10
Lean Mass Gains: 10/10. Note, this is more diet dependent, but it does indeed help IMO, without strength gains to push hypertrophy to its limits, this can NOT be achieved.
I want to thank DiabeticLftr and LG Sciences for letting me run this amazing product and Sponsoring me for Full 6 weeks. There aren't many companies out there who will just give you out free stuff in the hopes of getting an honest review out of you with progress updates. This was a way for me to try to compensate for the company being so nice to me, being honest and giving it my max effort. Not to mention I believe in Form-X now that I have tried it and I even purchased myself an extra bottle at the Planet
Outstanding Review !
Your hard work and dedication was off the charts during this run. Your focus and attention to detail should be copied by anyone trying to write a quality log. Your supporting data updates and pictures kept us in the loop and let us follow along like we were there. Also, it was fun to read. All 1700+ posts. I am glad I was there in the beginning to read all of it.
MOST importantly. I was able to get a lot out of your log to be able to make an informed decision on whether to consider Form-X.
You do good work here Celorza. Can't wait for your next foray into the world of supplement review/log.
Celorza
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A million thanks brother Fu
I have honestly enjoyed and appreciated all the posts we shared here, not to mention the huge motivation you gave me! I got to admit I gotta start kicking it up to a whole higher level honestly! Your logs pose even more insight on the day-by-day changes, I have been very busy with life and work lately and could not do this to my shame...But I promise to make up for it with even harder determination and more detail for future logs!!New log begins tomorrow!! PNI's Prodigy! And you are not only welcomed, but EXPECTED to show up at it brother
. Thanks for the kind words my friend! And do consider Form-X , honestly it is a top notch product.
benmayro
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To jump onto the bandwagon..i mean loveboat. You kicked to **** out of this! From your weight gain on your body/in the weighteroom, the quality of your posts and the dedication you have. I gained great respect for you and I am happy to say i not only enjoy your log but learnt a great deal from it!
DiabeticLiftr
Active member
Thanks again for doing this log C, great final review!
punjabimunde
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Great log bro!! The best log I ever seen...good job brother!!! Hop on another log ASAP
Celorza
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Thanks browasme said:
It was indeed my pleasure and honestly I owe yah a lot bro, thanks a lot for this chance.DiabeticLiftr said:
Look who decided to pop in, Mr. "I don't even text anymore" missing you big time brotherpunjabimunde said:Great log bro!! The best log I ever seen...good job brother!!! Hop on another log ASAP
. And new log should be up today , I'll pm yah the link when it is thanks for the kind words and support brother honestly.
wasme
Legend
I think I might try 4 weeks of this after my log is done and see how it goes... one major lift each workout? ie bench, overhead, squat, dead? and then as many other exercises?
Celorza
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Nope, there are basically 4 schemes for this.
Boring but Big: Main lift (specified that way) plus Main Lift @ 50-60% of the XXX value for 5 sets of 10 Reps.
Triumvirate: is the "smart man" way of training, 2 assistance exercises related to the motions and lifts you are developing.
Dave Tate's Periodization Bible (I use this) : 3 exercises HIGH VOLUME 5 sets 10-20 reps. Goal is to Periodize the movements and muscles worked. Alas Upper body lifts like OH Press and BP would be as such:
OH Press (as main lift standards for 5/3/1)
Chest Assistance
Back (Lats or Middle Back) assistance
Triceps
BP (as main lift standards for 5/3/1)
Shoulders assistance
Back (lats or middle back) assistance
Triceps.
Lower body days would follow this periodization:
DL (as main lift standards for 5/3/1)
Hamstrings assistance
Quads Assistance
Abs assistance (I rather Hanging leg raises here)
Squat (as main lift standards for 5/3/1)
Lower Back Assistance
Quads assistance
Abs Assistance (Love me some weighted sit ups and variations of decline and upside down also weighted)
Last plan is: "I'm not doing Jack Sh1t" so just the 5/3/1 main lift.
wasme
Legend
Appreciate you typing all that out
Celorza
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chedapalooza
Legend
Celorza said:Buy the book!
Which book?
Got the BA today btw, your slin should be there sat it said
wasme
Legend
Holy crap you actually bought his milk LMFAO... sorry dude..
Cam, how are things man.. no updates lately on your log.
chedapalooza
Legend
wasme said:
Lol yeaaaaaa I traded slin sane for his milk.
Yea, it wasn't sponsored so I wasn't obligated to, and I just been too busy to keep track of that and obsess over a log.. I still went thru with my cut and it turned into more of a recomp.. Weight actually increased about a pound, however I shrank and tightened up in all the right places while getting stronger and doing LESS cRdio. I found that the more cardio I did, the LESS fat I burned.. Probably bc my diet was so poor that I was keeping my body is survival mode (holds on to fat/water supplies) once I stopped beating myself with cardio and focused on eating properly and hitting the weights properly, results were rapid. As of now, it is over. I am out of the cutting supps, and its been about 60 days of it, and it's time to start slowly adjusting back to normal and take some time off from hardcore supp usage.. Going with staples for a little while and hopefully normalize my metabolism and sleep habits and stress level!
SO THERE'S MY UPDATE IN CELLYS LOG LOL
wasme
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DiabeticLiftr
Active member
I have 5/3/1 if any of you bros want it, I can get it to you cheaply