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Tictactactica

Tictactactica

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Hello to all, I'm new here!

My name is Terry, I'm a 40yr old man just now getting back in the gym after an 18yr hiatus!

I actually started hitting the weights again in late April and I've seen some great ego-boosting gains (example: 1st workout saw me bench 185 for a pathetic 2 reps, but during my most recent workout, I was able to knock out 265x5! Thank you muscle memory! LOL).

Anyway, at my age now, I can use all the help I can get (aside from AS), so I was checking out some Test Boosters and some contain fenugreek, of which I'm a bit confused and hoping y'all could help me out a bit.

From what I've read, fenugreek mimics estrogen and is in fact used as homeopathic meds for women for a range a hormone therapies as well as natural breast enlargement, so how is it that it is found in test boosters? Does it fool the body into thinking that too much estrogen is present thus signaling more LH?
 
Fenugreek is estrogenic I would stay away for this product. I know people will post the Gencor studies but they are in-house studies and they did not test for increases in estrogen.
 
Welcome Terry,

If you are looking for a test booster your best bet right now would be something with DAA (D-Aspartic Acid). You can pair that up with an AI, like Erase, etc.
 
Your better off with D aspartic acid or a forskolin extract to boost testosterone, some high quality tribulus supplements might even work for you since it seems to better increase testosterone in older men.
 
Tictactactica said:
Hello to all, I'm new here!

My name is Terry, I'm a 40yr old man just now getting back in the gym after an 18yr hiatus!

I actually started hitting the weights again in late April and I've seen some great ego-boosting gains (example: 1st workout saw me bench 185 for a pathetic 2 reps, but during my most recent workout, I was able to knock out 265x5! Thank you muscle memory! LOL).

Anyway, at my age now, I can use all the help I can get (aside from AS), so I was checking out some Test Boosters and some contain fenugreek, of which I'm a bit confused and hoping y'all could help me out a bit.

From what I've read, fenugreek mimics estrogen and is in fact used as homeopathic meds for women for a range a hormone therapies as well as natural breast enlargement, so how is it that it is found in test boosters? Does it fool the body into thinking that too much estrogen is present thus signaling more LH?
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Your better off with D aspartic acid or a forskolin extract to boost testosterone, some high quality tribulus supplements might even work for you since it seems to better increase testosterone in older men.
 
wasme said:
Welcome Terry,

If you are looking for a test booster your best bet right now would be something with DAA (D-Aspartic Acid). You can pair that up with an AI, like Erase, etc.
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this, although I can say for libido fenugreek works great for me and a lot of others.
 
Thanks for all of the advice...

From what you've all stated, my doubts about fenugreek seem to founded...

I'm building a version of the Asteroid Stak 2.0 that I'm looking very forward to starting; at this point, I have Testpowder and Compound 20, with Powerfull on the way, and AP soon to be ordered; I'm thinking strongly about adding Prime, Jak3d, Yok3d, Modern BCAA, & Stok3d; I may be adding an SAA supp as well, which, aside from Whey and Casein, will be the only non-USP Labs supplement.

Once I begin the stak, I'll provide progress updates! I can't wait! I am stoked!
 
Use D-aspartic acid and Formeron. Both elevate testosterone levels and the Formeron will keep estro down.
 
brundel said:
Use D-aspartic acid and Formeron. Both elevate testosterone levels and the Formeron will keep estro down.
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DAA, that I've known about (including the knowledge that many DAA containing supps don't contain enough to even be effective), but I've known nothing of Formeron...

Performing limited research, I see that Formeron is touted to have a plethera of anabolic/androgenic qualities (which almost makes it sound too good to be true), but I see that Formeron is considered a prohormone (which I'd rather shy away from, but I'm not totally apposed to experimenting), so that would create the need for a PCT after its use, right?

Any reviews of Formeron on AM?
 
The good news is it really is that good. There will be three guys running logs nexr week. There are also dozens of threads and logs on other forums. Formeron can be used for pct. Its primarily an ai but is also anabolic and androgenic. Its NOT significantly suppressive at recommended doses so it doesnt require a pct. Your test levels will be higher and estro lower after its use which is in contrast to most ph.

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Also just buy bulk DAA.
Alot of supp companies will sell a product containing a certain ingredient or ingredients knowing fully that the ingredients are in such small quantities that they become worthless.
Its like all those PWO drinks in tiny scoops that claim Creatine, citrulline, arginine, Beta alanine...etc..etc and the scoop is under 5g. With supps its very important to find out not just what is in it but how much.
If a company doesnt tell you right on the label you can pretty much count on there being a reason. Like there is .001 grams of the active ingredient.
 
Thanks for all the info, Brundel! Formeron not only looks to be very effective, but its cost is very reasonable!

I'd have to say that I'm now pretty much sold on giving it a try, but only after I complete my USP Asteroid Stak; I'll be keeping a close eye on the other user logs...

As for the bulk DAA, is there a brand that you would recommend?
 
brundel said:
Also just buy bulk DAA.
Alot of supp companies will sell a product containing a certain ingredient or ingredients knowing fully that the ingredients are in such small quantities that they become worthless.
Its like all those PWO drinks in tiny scoops that claim Creatine, citrulline, arginine, Beta alanine...etc..etc and the scoop is under 5g. With supps its very important to find out not just what is in it but how much.
If a company doesnt tell you right on the label you can pretty much count on there being a reason. Like there is .001 grams of the active ingredient.
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"Nutraplanet"
 
I didnt think we can say other stores besides NP.
Just go to purebulk its 11$ for 100g
 
brundel said:
I didnt think we can say other stores besides NP.
Just go to purebulk its 11$ for 100g
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Oops, well NutraPlanet has bulk DAA... There I fixed it...
 
Thanks, to you both; I checked both locations and both offer 100g bulk powder, though one is 42% cheaper making that a no-brainer! LOL

If I recall correctly, I believe that I had read research that suggested 3g/day to be the effective dose; is this correct? If so, the 100g would provide a month's worth; is it suggested to cycle DAA, and if so, how long of a cycle and how long between cycles?
 
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