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GYNO ON HDROL!!! YES IT'S POSSIBLE!!

LCCANO13

LCCANO13

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YES HDROL CAN GIVE YOU GYNO!!!


I preloaded for 2 weeks cycle assist followed my cycle accordingly and still managed to get gyno symptoms a hard lump...

On day 12 of a Hdrol 50/75/75/75/75/75 cycle. I started to feel a small bump behind my right nipple around the first week, freaked out, so I ordered some letro and nolva next day air(didn't have either on hand due to the fact it doesn't aromatize and is supposed to be mild). What I did have was some Erase(ATD) which I took immediately after feeling the bump just to keep it from getting worse. Although I thought I had a bump I didn't want to stop the cycle because it is my first cycle and I know everybody panics, being puffy/itchy nipples is fairly common side on Hdrol. I stopped the Erase after I received the Nolvadex and Letrozole which I took Nolva for 6 days at 20mg a day with no effect at all and the Letrozole for 4 days today tapering from .25 to .50 to 1mg to 2mg today. The gyno has gotten worse on my right nipple and I want to stop the cycle and go straight into PCT it sucks but I'd rather stop now than have it get worse and untreatable if it hasn't already gotten to that point.

My PCT cycle was going to look like this but I still want to keep on with the Letrozole at 2.5 a day til gyno symptoms subdue(hopefully):ugh:...

Clomid 50/50/25/25
CEL PCT assist 4/4/4/4
SNS DAA 4/4/4/4
Erase 3/2/1/1/1/1

I still have some Nolvadex from PS should I use this instead of the Clomid? Also will the DAA make gyno worse based on the fact it raises prolactin levels? Last but not least is the Erase even necessary? I mean because of its cortisol combating properties? Any input is extremely appreciated. Help a bro out (I need it)! Well my tits do lol... Hope it's not a progesterone problem...
 
Hdrol won't actually aromatize and directly cause gyno but you've gotta remember that you're messing with your hormones. In a sense, hdrol is indirectly inducing gyno. And, letro has some pretty nasty sides (personal experience). If you're going to continue the cycle, Adex might be a
slightly better option, but I understand the urgency to kill it. Since erase is a suicide ai, continue it a few weeks after discontinuing the letro to prevent rebound. The daa could potentially cause prolactin sides but there are supps to combat it. I feel your pain bro
 
Thanks for taking the time to read this, much appreciated. I read your article, it seems pretty legit bro, mad props for defeating the gynomonster. In your opinion do you think I should run Letro with PCT first and see if that works before adding the Prami and Stanzol?
 
Gyno is scary but it's a gamble bro. Nothing is guaranteed 100% Just take the necessary precautions and expect the best but prepare for the worst.
 
LCCANO13 said:
Thanks for taking the time to read this, much appreciated. I read your article, it seems pretty legit bro, mad props for defeating the gynomonster. In your opinion do you think I should run Letro with PCT first and see if that works before adding the Prami and Stanzol?
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I'd pct then run letro after if pct doesnt reduce it
 
LCCANO13 said:
YES HDROL CAN GIVE YOU GYNO!!!
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Well, as you now know first-hand... any steroid can cause gyno, either directly or indirectly.

LCCANO13 said:
Letrozole for 4 days today tapering from .25 to .50 to 1mg to 2mg today.
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No need to taper up... only down. Give it a while at 2.5mg before expecting anything.

LCCANO13 said:
I still have some Nolvadex from PS should I use this instead of the Clomid?
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For PCT, just use the nolva and save the $$.

LCCANO13 said:
Also will the DAA make gyno worse based on the fact it raises prolactin levels?
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Quite possibly, but not because of prolactin. I'd skip it for PCT. Letrozole actually raises test levels anyway.

LCCANO13 said:
Last but not least is the Erase even necessary?
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No... not if you're still on the letro. Exemestane (Aromasin) is probably a better AI for PCT once you have the gyno under control.

If you decide to cycle in the future (OTC or AAS), I'd take Jbranken's advice on using arimidex during your cycles.

Been in your shoes before, although from a different OTC steroid. Letro reduced the lumps to almost nothing, then I tapered down and ran a SERM for a few weeks.

Best of luck!
 
rubberring, this is what my new PCT will look like based on the changes.

Nolva 20/20/10/10
CEL PCT Assist 4/4/4/4
CEL Cycle Assist 4/4/4/4
Letro 2.5mg until symptoms subdue than taper down .5 mg every week?

Also the reason I ask about the Clomid is because I have read that Nolva may up the sensitivity of the progesterone receptor? I'm not too sure if my gyno is caused by progesterone or estrogen imbalances. I doubt its prolactin because there is no discharge. Thanks for taking the time to read and respond to this bro. It is a thousand times appreciated.
 
Could of told you that but I had bunk pct and it was reversed with letro prami. Good luck, nolva for gyno. Heard from studies raloxifene works well for gyno too. Correct me on spelling.

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LCCANO13 said:
rubberring, this is what my new PCT will look like based on the changes.

Nolva 20/20/10/10
CEL PCT Assist 4/4/4/4
CEL Cycle Assist 4/4/4/4
Letro 2.5mg until symptoms subdue than taper down .5 mg every week?

Also the reason I ask about the Clomid is because I have read that Nolva may up the sensitivity of the progesterone receptor? I'm not too sure if my gyno is caused by progesterone or estrogen imbalances. I doubt its prolactin because there is no discharge. Thanks for taking the time to read and respond to this bro. It is a thousand times appreciated.
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If he had taken tren (for example) I would maybe say progesterone gyno with nolva .
 
LCCANO13 said:
Lhns2 how bad was your gyno? Also, how long did you run Letro+Prami for and at what dosages?
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Not bad and about a month then tapered down. Also talk to j who already posted on here, he's educated on gyno as well.

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LCCANO13 said:
rubberring, this is what my new PCT will look like based on the changes.

Nolva 20/20/10/10
CEL PCT Assist 4/4/4/4
CEL Cycle Assist 4/4/4/4
Letro 2.5mg until symptoms subdue than taper down .5 mg every week?

Also the reason I ask about the Clomid is because I have read that Nolva may up the sensitivity of the progesterone receptor? I'm not too sure if my gyno is caused by progesterone or estrogen imbalances. I doubt its prolactin because there is no discharge. Thanks for taking the time to read and respond to this bro. It is a thousand times appreciated.
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With the letro, once the lumps have shrunken to the desired level (probably won't disappear completely, but likely won't be noticeable either), then taper down by 0.5mg daily and stay on (or hop back on) the nolva. To be honest, 2.5mg is probably overkill, but there's a popular gyno protocol that's been around for a few years that suggests that max. dosage, probably because pharma grade letro typically comes in 2.5mg pills.

I'll warn you now that your joints won't like you very much if you don't supplement with EFAs and maybe a joint supplement like celadrin. Letro is strong. Makes a lot of people (including myself) feel like shit. Also, don't freak out when your libido completely vanishes on you. It will return a few weeks after ceasing the letro, assuming all other hormones have balanced out as well.

Stick with the nolva over clomid. I'm not saying one is better than the other (in fact, I prefer toremifene), but this is not likely a progesterone issue.

Also, there is underdosed/bunk letro out there (never used PS, so I can't say), so if the lump doesn't reduce in size after dropping the h-drol and being on the letro for a week or so, PM me and I'll recommend some sites that I know have legit research chems.

Lastly, try your best not to continually touch or "check" your nips. That tends to make the issue worse. Of course, anxiety makes every situation more miserable, so do your best not to dwell on it. It happens, dude. Things will go back to normal, and it will happen sooner if your body and mind aren't stressed/obsessed over it.
 
rubberring I just checked and realized I have enough Nolva for 2 weeks... should I get some more or go with the clomid half way through? Damn bro sorry about so many questions but talking to people that have actually been through similar scenarios and beat their gyno makes me feel a lot more hopeful.

I hope my letro is legit I ordered I got it about a week ago but have only been on it for 4 days, today being at 2 mg... And yea I have read from different articles conflicting contradictory theories on the dosing of Letrozole so I just figured duck it, it will be harsh on my joints and libido but a momentary pain is better than wearing a sports bra on my chest days to the gym lol...

Thanks a million bro you've been of immense help!! Any other thing you can throw at me as far as tips or advice!?
 
LCCANO13 said:
rubberring I just checked and realized I have enough Nolva for 2 weeks... should I get some more or go with the clomid half way through?
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I'd just order more nolva. Some people get vision sides from clomid, so you might as well stick with something that seems to agree with you.

LCCANO13 said:
Any other thing you can throw at me as far as tips or advice!?
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Yeah, pick up some cheap vitamin D. Many people are D-deficient and, even if you aren't, it won't hurt. This is from a product write-up on Nutraplanet:

"D3 reduces aromatase via two distinct pathways - first by suppressing how much of it is produced by the body, and secondly by suppressing a pro-inflammatory pathway which reduces levels of prostaglandins including prostaglandin E2 (PGE2) - a major stimulator of aromatase generation."
 
I got gyno from h-drol and then got rebound gyno after PCT

Never ran anything and won't run anything hormonal again lol
 
dsbhaver I hear you man, this gyno **** is pretty damn discouraging! I got this gyno 2 and a half weeks in hopefully I can reverse it, but if I can't I probably will still keep researching on hormonal compounds and how they affect the bodies ability to increase in muscle. Lifting has became an obsession to me I sleep, breath, eat gym! I have to get stronger... I have to get bigger... but at the same time I still need this body to function at its peak with nothing compromised....

Did you ever get it fixed by the way!? The gyno I mean...
 
TheGnome said:
I want to do an oral cycle but gyno scares me. Prob my only major fear. :(
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Look into andromassv3 or androhard both are dht and will 100 percent not cause gyno plus you don't need support sups that's my plan :)
 
rubberring said:
"D3 reduces aromatase via two distinct pathways - first by suppressing how much of it is produced by the body, and secondly by suppressing a pro-inflammatory pathway which reduces levels of prostaglandins including prostaglandin E2 (PGE2) - a major stimulator of aromatase generation."
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Interesting had no idea. Thanks for posting that.

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LCCANO13 said:
dsbhaver I hear you man, this gyno **** is pretty damn discouraging! I got this gyno 2 and a half weeks in hopefully I can reverse it, but if I can't I probably will still keep researching on hormonal compounds and how they affect the bodies ability to increase in muscle. Lifting has became an obsession to me I sleep, breath, eat gym! I have to get stronger... I have to get bigger... but at the same time I still need this body to function at its peak with nothing compromised....

Did you ever get it fixed by the way!? The gyno I mean...
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While on my hdrol cycle I got gyno, ran Nolva for 2 weeks while on, got rid of it. Nolva can increase estrogen as well btw

Then after PCT I got worse gyno in the other nipple which I blasted with a letro cycle. Did damage my hair though. .

Ever since I have been cutting and now there is no gyno on any of the nips :) my nipple size has increased though so it does look physically worse. but I am low body fat so not noticeable.

Nolva while on cycle but if your off cycle letro is the way before surgery
 
horizons said:
While on my hdrol cycle I got gyno, ran Nolva for 2 weeks while on, got rid of it. Nolva can increase estrogen as well btw

Then after PCT I got worse gyno in the other nipple which I blasted with a letro cycle. Did damage my hair though. .

Ever since I have been cutting and now there is no gyno on any of the nips :) my nipple size has increased though so it does look physically worse. but I am low body fat so not noticeable.

Nolva while on cycle but if your off cycle letro is the way before surgery
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Suuuuper old but does that mean the gyno was really from fat?

You’re saying the nolva helped while on cycle and then you did nolva for PCT also?

And then after that ended to got gyno?
Maybe during the Nolva PCT you should have used and tapered with an ai too?

Idk
 
Very old but has anyone figured out how hdrol would cause gyno on cycle?

Would an ai on cycle prevent that?

Anybody know if epistane causes this issue?
 
As somebody posted above, any hormonal compound can potentially cause gyno, because you're messing with your hormones.
That's why I always advise having an AI, and your PCT SERM on hand before you start any cycle.
 
just because you bought a bottle of hdrol, it doesn't mean that bottle actually has hdrol in it. especially nowa days. it could be a bottle full of LMG for all you know. what brand did you buy?
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
just because you bought a bottle of hdrol, it doesn't mean that bottle actually has hdrol in it. especially nowa days. it could be a bottle full of LMG for all you know. what brand did you buy?
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Just a heads up it’s a 6 year old thread
 
Gyno doesn't happen over night.. Sore nipples are common and it's really nothing to worry about. Just add an ai or serm and it's all good
 
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