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Running an AI for a long time?

SuppBro

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Why does something like Triazole need cycling? Looking at the ingredients in Triazole it seems like stuff that people have ran year round before. I know it's because of diminished results but it should still be effective, should be based on ingredients.
 
You should always take a brake from supplements that effect your hormone levels, because on a long run they might affect your natural hormone production.

I think that all supplements should be cycled, I like to train 2 - 3 months with supplements and then take 1 month off.
 
yeah would be nice to stay on things such as AI's pretty much all the time....but there will be a point of diminishing returns and more harm than good for the long run....gotta cycle them like it or not :D
 
13 weeks of Triazole at a time, 2 caps a day. 2 bottles worth.

That shouldn't be too long ingredients wise should it?
 
inhibiting estrogen for extended periods of time can have negative effects on your test levels.
your body requires a certain T:E ratio and straying from this for too long is far from beneficial to your body.
estrogen does play a key role in your system, ask your joints about estrogen, they will tell you they love it.
 
Bnatural said:
inhibiting estrogen for extended periods of time can have negative effects on your test levels.
your body requires a certain T:E ratio and straying from this for too long is far from beneficial to your body.
estrogen does play a key role in your system, ask your joints about estrogen, they will tell you they love it.
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My joints must not give a fuuuuuuuuuuuck about estrogen....I can take 6 erase per day, or 2 erase pro per day, for extended periods of time (1-2 months) with NO joint issues whatsoever. but yeah, probably for "normal people" :D
 
Keeping your estrogen just high enpough to prevent sore joints is probably still unhealthy if you do it for too long. Lets not forget about estrogens role in immunity, bone density, heart health, a bunch of stuff.
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
My joints must not give a fuuuuuuuuuuuck about estrogen....I can take 6 erase per day, or 2 erase pro per day, for extended periods of time (1-2 months) with NO joint issues whatsoever. but yeah, probably for "normal people" :D
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Same

I never went higher with Erase or Erase Pro than recommended dosage but I never have experienced joint issues whatsoever
 
Jonbero said:
Same

I never went higher with Erase or Erase Pro than recommended dosage but I never have experienced joint issues whatsoever
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I had to push the limits just to see what happened. I believe I can eat an entire bottle of erase at one time and not get any sides....other than maybe it might kill me.
 
Bnatural said:
inhibiting estrogen for extended periods of time can have negative effects on your test levels.
your body requires a certain T:E ratio and straying from this for too long is far from beneficial to your body.
estrogen does play a key role in your system, ask your joints about estrogen, they will tell you they love it.
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Triazole is supposed to be in safe functioning limits at 3 caps a day. Men are more estrogen dominant than they should be these days anyway and I can just stop if I get low estrogen sides. My test and estrogen levels are in range but the ratio could be better than what it is.
 
I could see that if you had bloodwork to prove that you have issues with aromatase or whatnot. Some people's 'homeostasis' requires modulating as it is.
 
SuppBro said:
Triazole is supposed to be in safe functioning limits at 3 caps a day. Men are more estrogen dominant than they should be these days anyway and I can just stop if I get low estrogen sides. My test and estrogen levels are in range but the ratio could be better than what it is.
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Yeah, I've thought of this as well. Men have much higher estrogen along with lower test anymore, likely from dietary sources, obesity, sedentary lifestyle, etc. I'd kind of wondered if running an anti-e year round might not be a terrible idea, since it would reverse this trend. I know I have high E (along with high T) naturally, and I can't help but wonder if staying on a mild AI year round wouldn't just optimize my levels as opposed to being suppressive or unhealthy. I understand the homeostasis argument, but T:E ratio's are kind of funny.
 
J19891 said:
Yeah, I've thought of this as well. Men have much higher estrogen along with lower test anymore, likely from dietary sources, obesity, sedentary lifestyle, etc. I'd kind of wondered if running an anti-e year round might not be a terrible idea, since it would reverse this trend. I know I have high E (along with high T) naturally, and I can't help but wonder if staying on a mild AI year round wouldn't just optimize my levels as opposed to being suppressive or unhealthy. I understand the homeostasis argument, but T:E ratio's are kind of funny.
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if you have higher bodyfat and then decided to supplement rather than alter your diet, then supplement companies are definitely doing their jobs when it comes to advertising.
i'd fix the diet before adding a pill.
this is why "magic pills" fall for most people as they rely on the pill and not any real effort towards getting healthier.
 
Bnatural said:
if you have higher bodyfat and then decided to supplement rather than alter your diet, then supplement companies are definitely doing their jobs when it comes to advertising.
i'd fix the diet before adding a pill.
this is why "magic pills" fall for most people as they rely on the pill and not any real effort towards getting healthier.
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That's a good point, but I also believe that the higher estro rates can be explained by other factors as well (hormones in food, especially diary products). I know for certain that I have high estro, so I'm wondering if taking an AI year round wouldn't be a horrible idea. I would think homeostasis would catch up to me, but if I have exogenous E coming in from food sources and my levels are naturally higher anyway, it seems possible that lowering them to an average level wouldn't trip any sort of gene expression trip wire brought on by low E.
 
J19891 said:
That's a good point, but I also believe that the higher estro rates can be explained by other factors as well (hormones in food, especially diary products). I know for certain that I have high estro, so I'm wondering if taking an AI year round wouldn't be a horrible idea. I would think homeostasis would catch up to me, but if I have exogenous E coming in from food sources and my levels are naturally higher anyway, it seems possible that lowering them to an average level wouldn't trip any sort of gene expression trip wire brought on by low E.
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I agree, I think it makes sense for guys with (known) high estrogen levels to take an AI almost year round.....but you would have to take SOME time off, just not the cookie cutter 50/50 time on/time off protocol. Might serve you well to take it more on a 70-80% of the time or whatever....
 
J19891 said:
That's a good point, but I also believe that the higher estro rates can be explained by other factors as well (hormones in food, especially diary products). I know for certain that I have high estro, so I'm wondering if taking an AI year round wouldn't be a horrible idea. I would think homeostasis would catch up to me, but if I have exogenous E coming in from food sources and my levels are naturally higher anyway, it seems possible that lowering them to an average level wouldn't trip any sort of gene expression trip wire brought on by low E.
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this would be another chance to opt for better food over pills.
your logic does have merit, however, it would be better to choose hormone free foods and those dairy products without rBGH.
free range chicken eggs.
grass fed beef over grain as well
 
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