Prime + Compound 20 Biatch!

TheHardOne said:
Yup I have learned to keep my mood at a optimal level for enjoying life! :)

But I feel it is so important to notice a mood benefit from any supplement, to me its huge....in life I want to look like a superhero....but I also want to feel joy / happiness.
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everyone wants to my friend... I just hope to get a kob suitable so i could too...
TheHardOne said:
*Update*
-Just weighed in at 220?!!? Awesome! My goal was actually get around 220 without any additional fat gain!.....Yeah but in early May!! Just days into my calories in absolute full force, balls out training, perfect supplement protocol for bulking dominated that goal!! Heres a little run down on my current offseason(below
*March 5 Begin at 205 pounds
*March 25 Around 211-213
*March 25-April 4th Maintenance (had to deal with some life issues)
*April 15 Up to 220 pounds (221.8 if you want to count my weight when im fully hydrated )

-Gota keep dem arms vascular and have visible abs! Most people's "bulking" term is to gain muscle but they also tell themselves "its ok" to gain excess fat.....not for me, my bulking term is strictly building muscle.
-Grow time!
-Like I said this is the period when my gains sky rocket, im even surprised of my weight increase!
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great growth brother...

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GOT IT BLUE :P
 
How's your eating been lately, when you skyrocketed your gains the past days? same like about 500-700grams of carbs per training day and what about proteins?
 
4/16/12 Delts (rear delts/traps on back day)

-Seated Machine Press 2x12 (less strain on rotator cuffs than a free weight heavy barbell/dumbbell press)
-Dumbbell Upright Rows 3x10-12
-Behind Back Cable Side Laterals 3x10-12 (DO NOT GO HEAVY ON THIS! ROTATOR CUFF STRAIN IS HIGH ON THIS EXERCISE!)
-Standing Dumbbell Military Press 2x10-12

Calves-
Seated Calf Raise 2x10-20
One Leg Straight Leg Calf Raise 2x8-20

*Notes*
-Even though I went light, those behind back laterals literally strained my rotator cuffs wayy too much, if I do those in the future, ill stick to 20-30 reps on those
-Tried out a machine press that I never really done before, really good feel, minimal stress on rotator cuffs, feel it right in the mid/front delts, though if I do this exercise again, ill stick with 15-20 reps. Still trying to find a good pressing exercise for my delts without too much rotator cuff strain.
-Pump was great until my rotator's got strained , will most likely stick with a machine/barbell/dumbbell press, wide upright rows, regular side laterals next time. Though I hate using super heavy weight on my seated barbell/dumbbells presses lol.
-Time to move on, back day is 2morrow.
 
zubda345 said:
How's your eating been lately, when you skyrocketed your gains the past days? same like about 500-700grams of carbs per training day and what about proteins?
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Protein is a little less than my bodyweight, carbs are always around 500, fats are very high aswell. I notice if I eat a super high protein / low carb diet/moderate to high fat diet I stay flat, I actually notice more fat gain, gaining muscle is almost a miracle on a diet like that. Higher carbs are key for me.
 
GREAT gains! 220 already. Man.
Interesting on the diet. Recently I noticed that a lot of the natural athletes I follow do something like 90-100g fat, 200-220g protein, 300-450g carbs. (This is for a 200lb~) Maintaining on a powerlifting diet.
 
mattrag said:
GREAT gains! 220 already. Man.
Interesting on the diet. Recently I noticed that a lot of the natural athletes I follow do something like 90-100g fat, 200-220g protein, 300-450g carbs. (This is for a 200lb~) Maintaining on a powerlifting diet.
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Thanks for the kind words man! Shoot...im surprised aswell! Didn't think i'd get up to 220 till early May! 225-230 here I come!

I wouldn't recommend that much food for a powerlifter, with the lack of physical intense activity for the sport of powerlifting, eating that much would just result in excess fat gain.
 
*Update*
-Prime 2 caps, 3x a day with food
-Changed taking c20 pre, to taking it with my post workout shake to really take advantage on the gda effect, not to mention I train fasted which already benefits glucose metabolism / Glut4.....ITS GROW TIME!
 
TheHardOne said:
Thanks for the kind words man! Shoot...im surprised aswell! Didn't think i'd get up to 220 till early May! 225-230 here I come!

I wouldn't recommend that much food for a powerlifter, with the lack of physical intense activity for the sport of powerlifting, eating that much would just result in excess fat gain.
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I would think so as well but one guy I'm following eats this much just to keep from losing weight. :)

He does hiit style cardio on off days though for recovery and explosiveness.
 
TheHardOne said:
*Update*
-Prime 2 caps, 3x a day with food
-Changed taking c20 pre, to taking it with my post workout shake to really take advantage on the gda effect, not to mention I train fasted which already benefits glucose metabolism / Glut4.....ITS GROW TIME!
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Wow you train fasted? That's good stuff man. I always preferred it.
 
mattrag said:
I would think so as well but one guy I'm following eats this much just to keep from losing weight. :)

He does hiit style cardio on off days though for recovery and explosiveness.
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Oh he does hiit cardio? Thats good then, I thought he was your typical powerlifter that the only type of extra cardio would be from getting off the couch to the kitchen to get a bag of potatoe chips lol. Okay, okay, im just a hater for powerlifters lol.
 
TheHardOne said:
Oh he does hiit cardio? Thats good then, I thought he was your typical powerlifter that the only type of extra cardio would be from getting off the couch to the kitchen to get a bag of potatoe chips lol. Okay, okay, im just a hater for powerlifters lol.
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Hahah. Thats most power lifters or weight lifters too.
But they have some what of an excuse.... They don't want to train the slow twitch muscle at all... So joggin etc is out of the question.
 
Back 4/17/12

-Narrow Pulldowns
-Wide Grip Barbell Rows

*Notes*
-Tried to do deadlifts and barbell rows at the beginning of my workout, my lower back said F U!
-Constant stretch and contraction around that 10 rep range is key for me and my hypertrophy goals!
-Did about 2 sets to failure for each exercise
-Nothing exciting today, I really went by feel, im sure I set PR's, the stretch and pump is my focus every workout
-C20 with post workout shake....you really feel an extra burst of energy when doing this, love it!
-Grow time!
 
Been really busy for the past couple of days, stay tuned folks
 
Ughhh ran into another freakin roadblock.....

-My killer mindset needs to be tamed....I keep training too frequently / too many sets to failure.....I know what I have to do every session, but once I get in that "zone" I end up overdoing things.....
-Shrinked....
-Alright, time to tame my "killer mindset".......this is going to be hard.....pulling back during my training is extremely difficult for me....
-Was sick for a couple days
-Prime 2 caps, 3x a day, C20 2x a day
 
4/20/12 High Intensity Cardio Session

-Basketball
-Sprints
-Love it!
 
Judging by how I look in the mirror, I can tell Prime and C20 and NOW at full force.
 

Delts/Traps +make up work 4/21/12

-Seated/Standing DB Military Press 2x8 last set a drop set
-Dumbbell Side Laterals 2x8 last set a triple drop set
-Ez-Bar Shrugs 1x8 + drop sets
-Reverse Pec Deck 2x8 last set drop sets
-Hammer Machine Shrugs 1x8 (one arm at a time)

-Make up work-
Arms-
Cable Extensions 2x8 last set drop sets
DB Curls 2x8 last set drop sets

Chest/Back-
Hammer Grip Chins 3x8
Wide Grip Dips 3x12

Abs-
Weighted Leg Raises 3x15

*Notes*
-Aslong as im taking a day off after each session to physiologically recover from each session, I can train this intense
-Only listed sets to failure
-Had so much energy today (didnt train fasted for the first time in awhile!)
-Started with barbell seated presses, I got so much weaker? Like....alot weaker? Just on this movement though, everything else, setting PR's!
-Never went this heavy on my db side laterals before, time to get wide!
-Trained for a little over an hour today....something I rarely do, but it was just one of those days!
 
Tip of the day! 4/21/12

*Carbs will make you fat! Or will they?

The trend / theory in the fitness industry is that, eating carbs in general will automatically make you fat, carbs are demonized in this industry, no carbs past 6 pm, low carbs to stay lean, never eat high glycemic carbs! Im sure you have heard it all, most of those theories do have a place don't get me wrong, a typical person isn't that active at night, lower carbs can keep you lean, and if your insulin sensitivity is as low as an obese person, High GI carbs will most likely be stored as fat.

What will carbs do for you?
-Energy
-ATP during training
-Keep your muscles full / dense
-Taking in an adequate amount of carbs will keep your body more "anabolic" (protein sparing)
-Enhance your Thyroid for fat loss / muscle building benefits (insulin sensitivity / amount of carbs each day / cycled obviously has to be in check)

All carbs convert to glucose, high GI or low GI, it all turns into glucose, if your insulin sensitivity is on point, taking in carbs no matter if its a high GI or low GI carb will go towards your physical goals(obviously amount will be varried from person to person), and yes taking in high GI carbs will slightly lower insulin sensitivty when taken at a time when your body doesn't necessarily need carbs, for example before bed. Im going to list all the ways/techniques to use to increase your "insulin sensitivity". But first!! Lets see the negative impact on a low carb diet!

Low carb diet negative impacts (and yes AAS users will obviously be more anabolic than a natural would, so a AAS user could get away with a low carb diet, only slightly though!)
-Catabolism
-Flat muscles
-Low thyroid
-Testosterone levels will NOT be as high as they could be
-Low energy levels
-Lack of or poor pumps in the gym
-Moodiness
-Fat loss may seem rapid at first, but once your thyroid / testosterone starts plummeting, say goodbye to your muscles, and your fat loss goals will plateau (there is a place for "low carbs" of course! Best used when your using more of a specific diet, like a carb cycling diet)

Alright, scary isn't it? Heres what you can do to improve your "insulin sensitivity"!
-HIIT cardio
-Daily exercise in general!
-Intense weight training
-Lemon water! (so easy and results are outstanding, you should feel a instant burst of energy after drinking this! love it!)
-Keeping stress low!
-Fish oils
-Kril oils
-GDA's
-Green Tea
-Zinc / Magnesium
-BCAA's!
-Getting in a adequate amount of sleep everynight

Those are some pretty simple ways to improve the way your body uses insulin if you ask me!
 
Nice post!

How have you noticed prime and c20 to be on?
Pumps all day?

Like the carbs tip there. :)
 
mattrag said:
Nice post!

How have you noticed prime and c20 to be on?
Pumps all day?

Like the carbs tip there. :)
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Heres a 2 week update

So 2 weeks into this stack, what have I noticed....

-Increased Appetite (and its better everyday thank god!)
-Pumps are very intense!
-Leaning effect is noticeable! (its a great feeling when you see your delt veigns popping out of your shirt!!)
-Mood/confidence really amped up a couple days ago.....week 2 is usually the sweet spot for these products to kick in and it has.....WEEK 3 HERE I COME!

^^ Obviously all the above will aid in gaining muscle mass / strength! This stack really delivers!
 
TheHardOne said:
Heres a 2 week update

So 2 weeks into this stack, what have I noticed....

-Increased Appetite (and its better everyday thank god!)
-Pumps are very intense!
-Leaning effect is noticeable! (its a great feeling when you see your delt veigns popping out of your shirt!!)
-Mood/confidence really amped up a couple days ago.....week 2 is usually the sweet spot for these products to kick in and it has.....WEEK 3 HERE I COME!

^^ Obviously all the above will aid in gaining muscle mass / strength! This stack really delivers!
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Wow, I have c20, only one bottle though. Perhaps I'll get another and see what kinda gains I can get. Prime is a bit pricey for me to run at the dose I like.
 
4/23/12 Where do I start?!!?

Alright, one of those days when bad things turn into good things.....

Warming up with some heavy ass lunges part of my cns warm up, tweeked my right knee, thought my workout was gonna suffer, already did some light extensions before that, and then did some more just to get more blood around the knee area.....really thought I had to ditch squats for this workout.....so im warming up with the bar, squeezing my glutes, driving through the heels to prevent "knee grinding", worked like a charm! Ended up placing a HUGE PR, did a heavy ass weight that I could usually handle for only 5 while staying "in the hole", aka keeping constant tension on my quads/glutes, usually if your going too heavy your body wants to use a full range of motion to prevent injuries, I ended up getting 17 f'ing reps without any sort of pause or knee grinding.....outstanding, I never compliment myself, but I consider myself a MAN now! lol!!

Quads/Glutes

CNS Warm up-
Leg extensions 2x20
Heavy Dumbbell Lunges 6x6-12 each leg (heaviest dumbbells in the gym baby, warm up!)
Leg extensions 1x10 + 10 pulses

^^ Most would call that a day, or be in fear of getting weaker when moving on to squats, son.....when your cns is warmed up and activated, get ready to place some huge pr's, train with alpha male intensity, and release a cascade of anabolic hormones when the real work is done.

Quads/Glutes-
-Barbell Squats (pr) (pyramid up to my heaviest poundage around the 8-12 range....ended up getting 17....was aiming for 20 )

Calves-
Bent Knee Calf Press (pr) (soleus focus) (12 range)
Slight Bent Knee Calf Press (pr) (gastroc focus) (8 range)

*Notes*
-Fasted
-Monster Workout
-Feelin' good!
-2 stoked caps pre workout
-Weight is still around that 220 range and getting leaner baby!!
-I love me.
 
If your wondering how to keep constant tensions on your quads while squatting/pressing, keep the glutes contracted, and drive off the heels, below is a video of IFBB Pro Jason Huh leg training, thats basically what made a drastic difference in my hypertrophy goals.

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Oh and be warned, you will not be able to go heavier at first! If you can, your engaging assistance muscles to dominate the movement / grinding joints.
 
Only a couple days worth of prime left....sad sad indeed. I will always love you Prime! :)
 
TheHardOne said:
Heres a 2 week update

So 2 weeks into this stack, what have I noticed....

-Increased Appetite (and its better everyday thank god!)
-Pumps are very intense!
-Leaning effect is noticeable! (its a great feeling when you see your delt veigns popping out of your shirt!!)
-Mood/confidence really amped up a couple days ago.....week 2 is usually the sweet spot for these products to kick in and it has.....WEEK 3 HERE I COME!

^^ Obviously all the above will aid in gaining muscle mass / strength! This stack really delivers!
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TheHardOne said:
Only a couple days worth of prime left....sad sad indeed. I will always love you Prime! :)
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Glad you are enjoying your run. Thank you for the review thus far.
 
4/25/12 Chest / Triceps

CNS Warm up-
-barbell flat bench press 4x2-6 (no where near failure)

Chest-
-Dumbbell Pullovers 2x12
-Dumbbell Flat Bench Press 2x12
-Wide Grip Dips 2x12
-Cable Flys 2x12
-Incline DB Press 2x12 (varried elbow positions, activating your upper pecs is a workout itself....)
-Incline DB Fly Extreme Stretch 3x30 seconds

Triceps-
V-Bar Pushdowns 2x10
Upright Dips 2x8
One Arm DB Ext 2x10

*Notes*
-Activating your pecs is a must for developing pecs, obviously! But people don't realise how difficult it is, you CANNOT train with super heavy weights!
-Pump was ok, was extreme in the beginning, then kind of over stretched on my barbell warm up presses, and overstretched the dips a bit too much when warming up, which kind of ruined my pump, chest is the one bodypart I hate training because its a "thought process" workout.
-Im sure I set PR's, I did exercises I usually didn;t do, while keeping constant tension on my pecs
-Just one of those workouts when mentally...."Just wasnt there"......
-Will try barbell presses for my incline range of motion next week, anyone with the knowledge of biomachanics as far as learning the fully lenthened and fully shortened of your muscles will tell you its still VERY difficult training "chest".
-No sleep last night
-Took my Compound 20 pre / out of prime sadly
-Successfull workout for the future I suppose, gotta stay positive.
 
4/27/12 Rest Day

*Notes
-Been out of prime for days now, I love that product!
-C20 is one of the best supplements ive ever used hands down.....i'd do anything to run another cycle of that!
-A blister/calus developed on my right foot so I can't even walk right now, going to take some days off from training / cardio, I feel my body really needs it!
-NBA Playoffs start....who you guys got to come out of the first round?
-Prime review coming soon
 
4/27/12 Tip of the Day! (ill do these atleast every couple of days, remember quality is what I want to give you guys!)

*Want the BEST possible pump every training session?

The pump?! What benefits does a pump even offer?! I thought its pointless!!!

*Pump benefits*
-Increase Protein Synthesis
-Increase Glycogen Synthesis
-Glut 4 benefits
-Growth Hormone secretion
-Fascia Stretch (for long term hypertrophy)
-VEGF benefits (vascular endothilial growth factor) (basically the veign creating hormone)
-The pump feels damn good! Arnold was right, the pump feels just as good as shootin' your load! haha!

How can you increase your chances of getting a maximum pump? Here's a couple simple steps!

1)Stay Anabolic (if your natural, take a rest day before and after every session, if you can take 2 days off before and after every session in my that would mentally drive people insane, but it would literally set every workout out to ensure you are fully recovered before going back in the gym, keeping your endocrine system / cns / adrenal glands in check is one of my keys for maximum hypertrophy!) (ensure your body has the proper amount of protein/carbs/fats) (getting enough sleep) (keeping stress under control, remember....CORTISOL IS A PUMP KILLER!!)

2)Increase your potassium/sodium/water intake! (cell volumization benefits in thsi department BIG TIME!)

Heres my Pre workout protocol to maximize your pump!

*1.5 hours Pre
-Lean Protein Source of your choice
-Large White or Red Potato
-Large Green Salad
-1 avocado
-1 banana
-multivitamin
-GDA / Nutrient Partioner of your choice

*10 mins Pre
-Agmatine based supplement
-BCAA's
-Fast Carb (gatorade / karbolyn....etc...)
-Beta Alanine
-Ensure your body is saturated with creatine already
-Glutamine
-Alpha Lipoic Acid

I mean who doesn't love an arm pump?
 
TheHardOne said:
4/27/12 Rest Day

*Notes
-Been out of prime for days now, I love that product!
-C20 is one of the best supplements ive ever used hands down.....i'd do anything to run another cycle of that!
-A blister/calus developed on my right foot so I can't even walk right now, going to take some days off from training / cardio, I feel my body really needs it!
-NBA Playoffs start....who you guys got to come out of the first round?
-Prime review coming soon
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Great feedback. Thank you!
 
TheHardOne said:
A fat burner and a mass enhancer in 1 product......thanks Strategic, now im addicted! haha, gotta give huge thanks to you again for this opportunity!
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Thank you for your review.
 
TheHardOne said:
I still have a few days of Compound 20 left, once im done with that, ill make some solid full reviews for both Compound 20 and Prime, thanks again!
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Looks like the products shined through for you. Can't wait to give c20 a try. Prime is really good I agree with you there lol.

Nice pre workout routine btw, need the fuel to kill it in the gym!
 
5/1/12 Im back....with a vengeance!

-Upper body-

-Warm up (lunges / presses / clean and presses, get heart rate up)

-Flat Barbell Bench Press
-Rack Deadlifts
-Overhand / Underhand / Hammer Grip Chins
-DB Seated Shoulder Press
-Upright Rows
-Ab work

*Notes*
-PR'S ON EVERYTHING
-Chasing performance instead of chasing fatigue is how I utilize my volume, pretty much 2 working sets for each exercise is enough to overload the muscle while keeping high intensity / performance, usually by that 3rd working set im starting to fatigue rapidly which is pretty much has no benefits in the hypertrophy / strength department. Reps are always around the 8-12 range, once I start getting under that 8 range, its time to move on.
-Brutal workout!
-Intensity maintained until I reached my ab work, so thats when I left the gym, once intensity starts dropping even by a little bit, LEAVE THE GYM!
-Arm isolation work will most likely be done with lower body
-My whole body is taxed....im feelin' it big time haha!
-Pump was good!
-Gotta control myself at the beginning of the workout....for example for my bench presses, I could of went and done a few more sets just to fulfill my ego, performance was about to drop, so I moved on.....close call. (yes im that specific when im on a mission!)
-Intensity, Overload, Maintain High Performance, Drop ego, leave, recover, repeat.
 
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That ^^^ really got my attention! Anyone have any logs on that? If so can you give me the links? I'd like to see some user feedback on this, really looks like an awesome supplement!
 
Tip of the day! Errr....lets start calling this "Mini Article of the day"! 5/2/12

*HERE are the top 5 reasons why your efforts are not rewarding you.

1)Your execution is horrible, yeah your going all the way and all the way down, full range of motion, that means thats perfect form!!! ERRRR!! WRONG!!! Your going to have to find that sweet spot on every exercise so you can feel the muscle constantly being stretched and contracted, that means NOT USING A FULL RANGE OF MOTION, stop utilizing a full contraction / full stretch where the joint is being compromised(WHEN GOING HEAVY!, you can use a full contraction / full stretch when going light without any possible future injuries, but honestly their are "major" benefits of utilizing a full contraction, plus going light isn't gonna do jack crack for ya!. We want tension on the muscle with no extra joint/tendon grinding.

2)Your most likely doing too many isolation low motor unit exercisers or doing too many sets(volume), if your having trouble adding muscle, stick to high motor unit firing exercises, such as free weight decline presses / barbell rows / squats / dips / chins...etc...

3)Ensure your adrenal glands / endocrine system / central nervous system are always firing optimally for your hypertrophy / strength goals, so structure your frequency by taking a day off between each workout(this will vary person to person obviously), shop for supplements that aid in adrenal health, make sure your mag / vitamin b's intake are on point every day.

4)Stop following "programs", all these cookie cutter programs are all the same ****, just with a different theme, the maker of the program will do his best to hype it up, obviously its his "so called" creation, he has to back it up! Look muscle growth happens via myofibrillar hypertrophy and sarcoplasm hypertropy, a quick google search and you'll know what that is.

5)Only supplements you should worry about is the follow (below)

-magnesium (not in oxide form)
-zinc (not in oxide)
-vitamin b's
-GDA supp (ai nutrition's glycobol is a great choice!)
-Nutrient Partioner (usp labs prime is a great choice)
-creatine mono (other forms are gimmicks, creatine mono works just as good)
-herbal tea's to constantly give your body / liver a detox effect, which will aid in endothielial health and your endocrine system / cns aswell

Improve daily, learn something new everyday, the day you start thinking "you know everything", thats the day you stop growing!
 
TheHardOne said:
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That ^^^ really got my attention! Anyone have any logs on that? If so can you give me the links? I'd like to see some user feedback on this, really looks like an awesome supplement!
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no logs but i know it's supposed to be similar to Powerfull by USPLabs.

Good tip!
 
5/3/12 Arms

-Top Portion Bench Press 1x6 + drop set
-Rope Pushdowns 1x8 + drop set
-One Arm Ext 1x8
-Dips 1x8

-DB Hammer Curls (cross body) 1x6 + drop set
-High Cable Curls 1x8 + drop set
-One Arm Preacher Curls 1x8
-DB Curls 1x8 + drop set

*Notes*
-Been slacking on my fuel intake.....
-Ok pump I suppose...
-Great Intensity
-Need my foot to get better so I can start doing my cardio again, body is starting to hold too much water
-Crap day, foot get better please, HIIT cardio misses me!
 
TheHardOne said:
5/3/12 Arms

-Top Portion Bench Press 1x6 + drop set
-Rope Pushdowns 1x8 + drop set
-One Arm Ext 1x8
-Dips 1x8

-DB Hammer Curls (cross body) 1x6 + drop set
-High Cable Curls 1x8 + drop set
-One Arm Preacher Curls 1x8
-DB Curls 1x8 + drop set

*Notes*
-Been slacking on my fuel intake.....
-Ok pump I suppose...
-Great Intensity
-Need my foot to get better so I can start doing my cardio again, body is starting to hold too much water
-Crap day, foot get better please, HIIT cardio misses me!
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lol Don't U miss MIIT cardio??
 
Stay tuned for the Full Compound 20 Review / Prime Review soon! This stack was amazing, summer is just around the corner too!
 
Is this forum going through updates / reconstruction or something? Everything is all bugged, and all of today's post won't appear?
 
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