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Change in plan I will run 1 ml eq and 1 ml cyp EW
so 500 mg eq and 650 cyp. Will run the eq for 15 weeks and the test for 16 weeks.
 
Guys is hcg important and needed? I'm already running .25 mg arimidex eod and Nolva 40-40-20-20 for my pct as well as a test booster. Do I really need hcg?
 
steve_ifbb said:
Change in plan I will run 1 ml eq and 1 ml cyp EW
so 500 mg eq and 650 cyp. Will run the eq for 15 weeks and the test for 16 weeks.
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You're gonna get yuuuge bro. Just remember it would behoove you to take at least 20 weeks off of AAS after the last day of PCT. I'll keep you posted on my simple(r) 12 week Test E 400 or 450.
 
Harry Seaward said:
You're gonna get yuuuge bro. Just remember it would behoove you to take at least 20 weeks off of AAS after the last day of PCT. I'll keep you posted on my simple(r) 12 week Test E 400 or 450.
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Def bro. I'll keep you guys posted on my gains, just took my other25 mg cap of dbol and going to hit chest. Then I'll do my first poke with 1 ml eq and 1.5 ml cyp. Looking to become a monster after these 4 months man. Also, I won't be running another cycle till I'm older, this is the only one im doing for a long while.
 
HCG is not mandatory but very recommend it can't hurt to protect better. Also it helps with the testicular glands to recover better and be 100%. Keep the update when u start and post before and after pics
 
steve_ifbb said:
Everyone's probably thinking, "ya that's what they all say" lol
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Haaha I guess I'll know for myself in a few weeks :)

If there's one cycle I could do for a few years, yours is a damn good one for quality L-B's. I was very much looking forward to trying EQ but I guess I'll save mine for the future...
 
Teen Is really strong and hard on the body for first time users heck not even for second or third cycle I would use teen but I been hoping to do it someday tho
 
dsm2evo said:
Teen Is really strong and hard on the body for first time users heck not even for second or third cycle I would use teen but I been hoping to do it someday tho
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Just go for it bro. If your knowledgeable enough then why not, shutdown is shutdown. Just know the ancillaries u need to take for possible side effects.
 
Maybe after my next cycle which is set already. I don't wanna add another compound to it. But thanks for the support.
 
steve_ifbb said:
When Can I start expecting to feel the dbol ?
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Dbol I think you'll feel maybe even the first day. That's the one real AAS I dabbled in about a month ago I did 35 mg ED for one week just to see what it's like, which is also why I can't start my cycle for another week or two...

I think I felt stronger and better well being day 1, if you have a well above average kickass workout and lift a little more it's probably the dbol at this point.
 
dsm2evo said:
Teen Is really strong and hard on the body for first time users heck not even for second or third cycle I would use teen but I been hoping to do it someday tho
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My bloods always come back fine on tren, but I do have to watch my BP. Concerning recovery, you need to give it 6 weeks off tren MINIMUM before starting pct. The reason tren is such a bitch to recover from is because it has active metabolites that linger for ever. At the end of 6 weeks, recovery is a bit easier especially if you use nolva and clomid together.
 
steve_ifbb said:
Didn't feel **** on day one of dbol 50 mg lol
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Could have been placebo effect for sure, but I've also read that it takes effect pretty quickly which is why of course a lot of people kickstart with it...
 
Harry Seaward said:
Could have been placebo effect for sure, but I've also read that it takes effect pretty quickly which is why of course a lot of people kickstart with it...
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Strength gains usually take a week. Some people get mental sides that are generally good, while others like myself do not. I don't even get that great of a pump off dbol, but when my lifts go up 30lbs in a month you won't find me bitching haha.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
What r u running?
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I'm running my next cycle( fourth)

Week 1-14 sustanon 250 500mgs per week
Week 1-12 Deca durabolin or NPP @ 400/week
Week 1-6 dbol (Anabolex) 3mgs pills 10 per day
Week 1-14 EQ not sure how much just to harden up
Week 7-14 anavar maybe. Just to cut up a bit

Nolvadex 20 from week 3- end of pct

HCG 5000iu per week last 2 weeks of cycle
Clomid for 3 weeks pct
Arimidex 1 tab EOD through cycle
Aromasim help me last time cause my sweat smells during cycle.
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dsm2evo said:
I'm running my next cycle( fourth)

Week 1-14 sustanon 250 500mgs per week Why not just use enth or cyp? You'll have to inject three times a week this way and also wait a month after your last injection to do pct. Sust was made primarily for hrt and it is subpar compared to enth and cyp in terms of convenience. However, if this is all you have access too then work with what ya got.
Week 1-12 Deca durabolin or NPP @ 400/week If you haven't ran nandrolone before use npp as sides dissipate quicker. Also, 12 weeks of npp vs. 12 weeks deca will not yield the same results. NPP would be better imo.
Week 1-6 dbol (Anabolex) 3mgs pills 10 per day
Week 1-14 EQ not sure how much just to harden up 500mg will work fine, but if you are trying to cut, beware as EQ makes you hungry
Week 7-14 anavar maybe. Just to cut up a bit dose? Good length though

Nolvadex 20 from week 3- end of pct Why? Nolva can kill libido and doesn't actually prevent conversion of the anabolics to estrogen like an AI does. It's also been shown to lower IGF-1 levels. Arimidex or aromasin would work much better.

HCG 5000iu per week last 2 weeks of cycle
Clomid for 3 weeks pct run 4 weeks starting 25 days or so after last sust injection. 20mg nolva on top wouldn't hurt.
Arimidex 1 tab EOD through cycle
Aromasim help me last time cause my sweat smells during cycle. What is this from? Never heard of this before
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Harry Seaward said:
What's NPP?
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Nandrolone phenyl prop. Deca is nandrolone decanoate. If you have never used nandrolone before, it's always a better idea to go with npp as the sides will dissipate quicker. However, most people try deca first and I can only attribute that to availability and/or not knowing what npp is.
 
jt339 said:
Nandrolone phenyl prop. Deca is nandrolone decanoate. If you have never used nandrolone before, it's always a better idea to go with npp as the sides will dissipate quicker. However, most people try deca first and I can only attribute that to availability and/or not knowing what npp is.
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Cool thanks man, yeah I haven't heard of that yet and although I'm a noob I definitely would have no idea where to get that. Is it also better regarding the infamous "deca-d*ck"? I still have 2500 mg Deca but was advised against it for my first so might use it in the future, unless of course I can find npp or something better...
 
Harry Seaward said:
Cool thanks man, yeah I haven't heard of that yet and although I'm a noob I definitely would have no idea where to get that. Is it also better regarding the infamous "deca-d*ck"? I still have 2500 mg Deca but was advised against it for my first so might use it in the future, unless of course I can find npp or something better...
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It will do the same as the chemical itself is no different, just the ester. Controling your estrogen and using a dopamine agonist will keep your fella standing at attention.
 
I done Deca before I ran this cycle similar before I just remember it it was when I was young and stupid and didn't know better. I have a load of organon sustanon250 that's why instead of cyp or eth. But thanks and I like NPP more lower on sides and if any sides occur you can stop easier. The EQ @ 500 sounds good and anavar is just to cut up but still not sure if imma run it or wait til my primobolan and anavar cycle. I know EQ make you hungry but when I help my cousin and friends with their cycle we use appetite suppressant to help believe me the dbol makes me hungrier as is meant as medication for people with anemia to get them to eat.
 
jt339 said:
It will do the same as the chemical itself is no different, just the ester. Controling your estrogen and using a dopamine agonist will keep your fella standing at attention.
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Haha cool, can you tip me off as to what the better dopamine agonists are? I have some liquid caber, I think that's one right? Still not sure about it because I've read that caber is not stable in liquid form...
 
jt339 said:
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Yeah I know nolvadex but I use it many times and no sides for me but I'm older so I have o watchout. Also I have Arimex and aromatism and ferama in th past I use all the following in on cycle for pct:
HCG
Femara(letrozole)
Aromasim
Arimex
Proviron
N2guard
Clomid
Nolvadex
Clenbuterol
Cytomel t3

I know it's a lot but recover like new kept most of my gains. But I was young.
 
dsm2evo said:
Yeah I know nolvadex but I use it many times and no sides for me but I'm older so I have o watchout. Also I have Arimex and aromatism and ferama in th past I use all the following in on cycle for pct:
HCG
Femara(letrozole)
Aromasim
Arimex
Proviron
N2guard
Clomid
Nolvadex
Clenbuterol
Cytomel t3

I know it's a lot but recover like new kept most of my gains. But I was young.
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BRO!

1.Ditch that t3 and clen! If you're running anything over 25mcg of t3 you're going to eat your muscle. Using any dose of clen is also not a good idea. I have heard around somewhere that these were encouraged in pct so it's not your fault, but this **** is just plain wrong.

2. HCG should be run on cycle and NOT IN PCT. HCG is actually suppressive. It acts like FSH and LH in your body which keeps your balls up to size. However, when your body is getting the signal from HCG to produce sperm and testosterone, it will not use its own mechanism i.e. FSH and LH will not be produced = bad. The whole point of PCT is to get GnRH stimulated so that LH and FSH can be produced. Run 500iu's a week of hcg from the start of your cycle until 4 days before pct starts.

3. I still think you should ditch the nolva from your cycle unless you run anadrol.

4. Arimidex interferes with nolva and should not be used in pct. If you need an AI in pct, use aromasin.
 
Harry Seaward said:
Haha cool, can you tip me off as to what the better dopamine agonists are? I have some liquid caber, I think that's one right? Still not sure about it because I've read that caber is not stable in liquid form...
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I always use caber in pill form. No sides, only good things for me. I have not seen liquid caber nor would I trust it to work.
 
jt339 said:
I always use caber in pill form. No sides, only good things for me. I have not seen liquid caber nor would I trust it to work.
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Thanks brother. I've found caber in pill form but it seems pretty expensive, so I'll avoid it I guess till later. I'm only doing Test E ~400 and dbol 25mg (1-4) and Winny 30-40 (7-11)..
 
Thanks I'll stay away from nolvadex as you right it does contradict to Arimex and the HCG I use it the last two weeks of the cycle sorry not after. The clen and t3 I use that on non cycle times like now I need weight loss and cardio more than anything so I can start my cycle soon. I already did it anyways last month 2 on 2 off each.
 
dsm2evo said:
Thanks I'll stay away from nolvadex as you right it does contradict to Arimex and the HCG I use it the last two weeks of the cycle sorry not after. The clen and t3 I use that on non cycle times like now I need weight loss and cardio more than anything so I can start my cycle soon. I already did it anyways last month 2 on 2 off each.
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Blasting hcg is fine, I prefer it that way actually. I don't mean to bash you, but you need to figure out how to diet without clen and t3. If you can figure out how to lose 2lbs a week without clen and/or t3 while maintaining your strength until you get to about 9% bf, then your diet skills will be better than most. Keep in mind t3 actually increases protein turnover so you will need more protein to stay in a positive nitrogen balance. I don't recommend it nor clen to anyone off cycle.
 
jt339 said:
Blasting hcg is fine, I prefer it that way actually. I don't mean to bash you, but you need to figure out how to diet without clen and t3. If you can figure out how to lose 2lbs a week without clen and/or t3 while maintaining your strength until you get to about 9% bf, then your diet skills will be better than most. Keep in mind t3 actually increases protein turnover so you will need more protein to stay in a positive nitrogen balance. I don't recommend it nor clen to anyone off cycle.
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I know u just helping and I can loose the weight without them is that I had them since last year and figure what the heck might as well use them I don't have them anymore and didn't order anymore either this time so I'm good I lost 28lbs since February 6th after Super Bowl. So I think I'm on the right track I done it before for years in the military I lost them without any compounds so I can do again.
 
I know your pinning most of your stuff but do you have any support supplements? Always a big proponent of these even if you aren't taking methylated orals.
 
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