So I use to always have carbs before bed because I couldn't gain one oz. That's not the case anymore. So obviously I stopped carbing at bed time because it suppose to shut down gh. Now im hearing otherwise. What's the verdict guys?
Yea something like you body can't produce gh and also the carbs turn straight to fat. Now recently I read I think on this site that a bit of carbs ours you in a deeper sleep which deep sleep norm associated with gh. So what's the dealio?What science indicates that carbing before bed reduces GH pulse?
The studies simply don't back this up. Numerous studies have shown benefits to eating late in the day compared to earlier, but the vast majority of the literature points to know significant difference on meal timing.If your a hard gainer or if you worked out LATE and need to refill glycogen stores, cool. Still not a huge fan though.
It simply cannot make logical/practical sense to eat (OVER EAT) a substance just before sleep that will the ellicit the release of the storage hormone (insulin) which inherently fascilitates fat accumulation. Although insulin is considered anabolic, it can only be anabolic when other variables are at play.
Also, the GH-release being blunted by insulin levels is just a physiologial fact as insulin and GH are antagolistic/adverserial. I have not read the thread referenced above but it simply cannot be good to adversly impact natty GH levels for significant reasons beyond just fat loss/gain (proper sleep, recoverry/healing to name a few) .
The studies simply don't back this up. Numerous studies have shown benefits to eating late in the day compared to earlier, but the vast majority of the literature points to know significant difference on meal timing.
http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2011/07/carbohydrates-past-6pm-will-make-you.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21475137
While I'm not suggesting one should go carb crazy (I'm a constant proponent of low carb throughout the day), the literature does not back up the myth of carbs before bed "sticking" to the stomach.
You're allowed to believe whatever you wish to believe, but the science simply doesn't back up the carbs before bed. I haven't seen one remotely credible study that says otherwise. Broscience is very prevalent on this board and others. Are carbs before bed going to make one fat? Well people can do or believe whatever they wish. The scientific studies done on the subject undoubtedly say no.Well touche haha
Thanks for posting the studies, but every few years new studies come out debunking old therories and then re-establish new "old theories" years later again then get reversed again lolol
While such "evidence" is compelling at times, I don't put a ton of stock in these anymore. I try to remain sensible in my approach and interpretation to these studies as well. Everything changes - just depends who's deep pockets are backing which studies at any given time LOL
We do this all the time on this board alone (go back and forth and then back and forth AGAIN)
To name a few just off the top of my head.....
Maximum protein ingestion per meal 30g verses 100g (lol)
Low fat verses Low carb for fat loss
Protein/Aminos pre-cardio or not
Carbs PWO are anabolic or are they useless PWO for anabolism
Eating every 2-3 hours for anabolism and/or fatloss now it's popular to do 12 hour fasts
Estrogen is required for muscle mass gains or not
High levels of Protein ingestion lead to kidney failure or not
Sodium is the devil vs sodium is healthy and needed for bb'ers
Steroids cause prostate cancer or not
Which form of creatine is the best
Saturated fats are great for you vs they are bad for the heart
The same topics shall always remain, it's the conclusions that are in constant flux.
Additionally, for every study FOR the argument at hand, you can typically find another in stark opposition. Which author do you believe?
It all just gets old.
from the looks of things lately im guessing noDoes anybody use the search function anymore?
Ha thats awesome. Bane is my fav. Yea Idk there is no clear answer still.1. Your avatar is my screensaver. Kudos on that.
2. Slowly but surely the carbs before bed sticking to your stomach myth is dying. If trying to lose body fat it may even be beneficial to place the majority of carbs at night time.
Deff searched first. Nothing came up. Then again they don't exactly give u the most search options on android app.Does anybody use the search function anymore?
In your defense, at least you're willing to concede that you were wrong. Too often, people will stick with their belief even with overwhelming scientific evidence refuting their position.Thanks. I hate being wrong
Geo: I apologize - you were right. That link goes agaisnt every basic principle I was convicted about but alas, I give in rather unwillingly
I will go away now humble and with my tail between my legs ......
Lol you have no reason to go away, I have been in your position so often it isn't even funny. Like Rodja said you changed your mind after seeing evidence. That's something very few people do anymore. I was never trying to make you look bad or anything of the sort. Like I said I've been wrong so often in these types of things it isn't even funny. I just try to keep learning a little bit each day and hoping I can maybe help others learn cause I definitely don't know much on the whole!Thanks. I hate being wrong
Geo: I apologize - you were right. That link goes agaisnt every basic principle I was convicted about but alas, I give in rather unwillingly
I will go away now humble and with my tail between my legs ......
AgreedIn your defense, at least you're willing to concede that you were wrong. Too often, people will stick with their belief even with overwhelming scientific evidence refuting their position.
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