11-oxo at end of cycle

[John Smeton]

Hey Patrick,

I saw an article in Muscular development in your columm that showed lab results on 11-oxo where his testosterone came to 200's after the cycle, which is awesome , since 11-oxo is technically still "on" and helps restore testosterone levels.

for 11-oxo to help make pct smoother , would I have to use it solo for two weeks at the end of my cycle or could I just put it in the last weeks with the other stuff ?

I am assuming the former but want to make sure

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Hey Patrick,

I saw an article in Muscular development in your columm that showed lab results on 11-oxo where his testosterone came to 200's after the cycle, which is awesome , since 11-oxo is technically still "on" and helps restore testosterone levels.

for 11-oxo to help make pct smoother , would I have to use it solo for two weeks at the end of my cycle or could I just put it in the last weeks with the other stuff ?

I am assuming the former but want to make sure

by itself. as a bridge before pct.

 

[jaydollars]

Bateman, what in your opinion is the highest effective 11-oxo dose

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Bateman, what in your opinion is the highest effective 11-oxo dose

boy, no one can answer that

 

[jaydollars]

Have you ever run 1 gram plus a day?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Have you ever run 1 gram plus a day?

yeah it works pretty good

 

[howwedo107]

Stuffs pretty expensive but does 11oxo **** you down at 500mg?

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Stuffs pretty expensive but does 11oxo **** you down at 500mg?

shut you down?

probably minimially at that dose

 

[Whacked]

Sup Patrick
Since SOME of 11-oxo's efficacy is based on it's Test-elevating attributes (I think?) if you are on TRT, which is more effective/useful?
11-oxo or 7-Keto?

 

[Whacked]

Will 11-OXO interfere with MEDROL use? (or is it contraindicated)

 

[truthornothin]

Will 11-OXO interfere with MEDROL use? (or is it contraindicated)

Pat's out for the week with GI issues, do you mean M-drol and if so its not not sure how much more you'll get as m-drol is a powerful compound but 11-oxo being non methylated would make it an ok choice to stack imo

 

[Whacked]

No I seriouslty meant medrol (anti-inflammatory) LOL

Pat's out for the week with GI issues, do you mean M-drol and if so its not not sure how much more you'll get as m-drol is a powerful compound but 11-oxo being non methylated would make it an ok choice to stack imo

 

[truthornothin]

sorry, and that one I'll have to defer to PA and he won't be back until next week unless perhaps HenryV knows the answer

 

[Whacked]

All good

 

[henryv]

Sup Patrick
Since SOME of 11-oxo's efficacy is based on it's Test-elevating attributes (I think?) if you are on TRT, which is more effective/useful?
11-oxo or 7-Keto?

I don't think 11-oxo elevates test. 6-oxo does.

 

[pigpen75]

I don't think 11-oxo elevates test. 6-oxo does.

right, its suppressive so that sounds counter productive?

 

[henryv]

right, its suppressive so that sounds counter productive?

On TRT I don't see it making much difference.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Will 11-OXO interfere with MEDROL use? (or is it contraindicated)

not medrol, but it could interfere with prednisone

prednisone is a pro-drug to prednisolone and it requires 11b-HSD1 for conversion. Since 11-oxo blocks that enzyme it could reduce this conversion and therefore the efficacy of the prednisone

 

[Whacked]

Very cool - thanks man

not medrol, but it could interfere with prednisone

prednisone is a pro-drug to prednisolone and it requires 11b-HSD1 for conversion. Since 11-oxo blocks that enzyme it could reduce this conversion and therefore the efficacy of the prednisone