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New at Ph....help!

jake159

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Ok guys here's the deal, I have been playing sports since I could walk basically I know proper lifting technique and do on but I've never used a ph before so I need some advice. I never had to be just massive as a track runner and basketball player but I don't play anymore so I wanna get as big as possible...not to big of course. I'm 6'2 and I'd like to weigh about 215 I hear all kinds of talk about ph but what's good for a newbie to take nothing that'll kill me liver but nothing to weak maybe something in the middle maybe 10-12 pounds in a month? Any help is appreciated thanks guys!!
 
Age? Yrs lifting? Current weight? Tell us more so we can help you bro
 
If your stats are correct(which I am assuming) I would suggest staying natty for a while longer. Other places on the forum to learn how to gain weight properly.
 
Tomahawk88 said:
If your stats are correct(which I am assuming) I would suggest staying natty for a while longer. Other places on the forum to learn how to gain weight properly.
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Droid app. I cant see it. Merde
 
German volume training and lots of food until you're 25. Don't get in a big hurry to mess with your endocrine system.
 
6'2" 155lbs is twig status (no offense). Start upping your calories. What is your normal training split? How much cardio are you doing?
 
I was a track runner we didn't exactly want to be massive lol man I'd say I'd eat around 9-10,000 calories a day
 
What do you eat on an average day unless you are a 155lb humming bird that is quite doubtful that you are taking in 10,000 calories.
 
Man, I remember eating 4-5k calories a day years ago on a cycle, and *THAT* felt like a full time job...

ManBeast
 
10,000 calories is about 14 pounds of beef brisket.
 
Gerbil said:
10,000 calories is about 14 pounds of beef brisket.
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Sounds awesome. With 3 lbs of homemade Mac n cheese. H3LL yes
 
It would take me at least two days.
 
Go through what you ate yesterday and how much you ate (rough estimate) and then calculate the calories online, or do so today and you will see you are not consuming that much. You would have to be eating obscenely calorie dense food to not have a distended stomach. Beef brisket is pretty up there in calorie density thus my using it as an example. You would also have the worlds largest bowel movements if you where consuming that much.
 
take h-drol, im in the middle of my first and im doing h-drol. my friend who is skinny is doing it with me and hasnt been lifting for very long at all, so ill let you know how he handles it. were only a week in
 
I am disappointed by this post. Use anabolics to achieve higher then normal physiques not use them as a crutch on terrible diets and lack of intense training. You should at least have a solid base before using anabolics. Look anywhere on this forum and you will see this is agreed upon whether you are too fat or too skinny atleast get to a good physique or close too it.

Rant over.

SuperMachoMan said:
take h-drol, im in the middle of my first and im doing h-drol. my friend who is skinny is doing it with me and hasnt been lifting for very long at all, so ill let you know how he handles it. were only a week in
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I am disappointed by this post. Use anabolics to achieve higher then normal physiques not use them as a crutch on terrible diets and lack of intense training. You should at least have a solid base before using anabolics. Look anywhere on this forum and you will see this is agreed upon whether you are too fat or too skinny atleast get to a good physique or close too it.

Rant over.

SuperMachoMan said:
take h-drol, im in the middle of my first and im doing h-drol. my friend who is skinny is doing it with me and hasnt been lifting for very long at all, so ill let you know how he handles it. were only a week in
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jake159 said:
I was a track runner we didn't exactly want to be massive lol man I'd say I'd eat around 9-10,000 calories a day
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Don't flame the homie, he's part of the EpicMealTime crew. Or take his numbers literally I'd say he's spot on, hell I eat anywhere from 9 cals - 10,000 cals a day too.

As for bulking up, just eat food, start off with Starting Strength, Strong Lifts, 5/3/1, then move to a Upper/Lower split, then a full program.
 
hey iv been woking out bodybuilding style for 6 years and this is my first ph. But if you want to do them do them. I am no ones dad. There are risks, there is a right way to take them and a wrong way but your 21 and its your decision but ill give you advice on what you asked.,i also am 21 and i chose to take hdrol because its legal, it has if the mild side effects, and thats it has been researched pretty well. google hdrol bible and theres a good article from tunedsports, read it
 
Gerbil said:
I am disappointed by this post. Use anabolics to achieve higher then normal physiques not use them as a crutch on terrible diets and lack of intense training. You should at least have a solid base before using anabolics. Look anywhere on this forum and you will see this is agreed upon whether you are too fat or too skinny atleast get to a good physique or close too it.

Rant over.
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Whats worse is that iv seen you tell people everywhere to take clomid and SERMS. Do you know the long term effects of these drugs? Did the steroid users from back in the 60's 70's and 80's use SERMS? No, and theyre the ones that are still alive today. Arnold was juicing at 15 and 16 years old and never used a SERM and has kids. Yet you want everyone to take this drug. Its probably not the healthiest thing to take anabolics and if people do use them it should be used to take there lifting or bodybuilding to the next level, but the truth is lots of people hop on them as soon as they start lifting, and better hdrol than Superdrol Epistane or a harsh illegal like dbol
 
Do we anywhere suggest anything resembling "long term" use of serms? No... did the bodybuilders of that era maintain most of their gains? No. They'd cycle up to a contest and then shrink afterwards, and repeat...

And for the record, Dbol is a lot less harsh than many of the "legal" prohormones and designer steroids.

ManBeast
 
Ya notice how every RESPECTED MEMBER DISAGRESS WITH YOU, you are telling someone to take steroids who doesnt even workout for strength and dooesnt eat well done man.
SuperMachoMan said:
take h-drol, im in the middle of my first and im doing h-drol. my friend who is skinny is doing it with me and hasnt been lifting for very long at all, so ill let you know how he handles it. were only a week in
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fine... SOME... azzhole :D

ManBeast
 
haha. you guys are funny.
A.id love to see this "shrunken" Arnold
B. SERMS have only been around for around the last 15-20 years in the bb community so if you want to be the guinea pigs....fine
C. Dbol is far more harsh than h-drol, on the liver and with androgenic side effects
BTW - im gonna make a post after me and my friends H-drol cycle in which he has been working out for less than a month and in which there Will be no SERMs. I will happily be the experiment, and if it turns out to be a horror story then everyone will learn from our mistakes
 
15-20 years and we are now the guinea pigs?

*facepalm*

ManBeast
 
Husker89 said:
Ya notice how every RESPECTED MEMBER DISAGRESS WITH YOU, you are telling someone to take steroids who doesnt even workout for strength and dooesnt eat well done man.
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I don't train for strength. This isn't a qualification for using steroids, and bodybuilders don't train for strength either, they train for muscle size, shape, and symmetry.
 
SuperMachoMan said:
haha. you guys are funny.
A.id love to see this "shrunken" Arnold
B. SERMS have only been around for around the last 15-20 years in the bb community so if you want to be the guinea pigs....fine
C. Dbol is far more harsh than h-drol, on the liver and with androgenic side effects
BTW - im gonna make a post after me and my friends H-drol cycle in which he has been working out for less than a month and in which there Will be no SERMs. I will happily be the experiment, and if it turns out to be a horror story then everyone will learn from our mistakes
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don't bother retard, you'll be fine
 
He was a track athlete like i used to be and Most of my training was running not bodybuilding. I train for size too but running and sprinting from track is very different the bodybuilding
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I don't train for strength. This isn't a qualification for using steroids, and bodybuilders don't train for strength either, they train for muscle size, shape, and symmetry.
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ManBeast said:
15-20 years and we are now the guinea pigs?

*facepalm*

ManBeast
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yea, exactly haha. how would you know the long term effects. There a million things that take along time to know the actual effects. Asbestos, Aspartame, radiation, fluoridated water, theres alot. Turinabol was used in the 1960's
 
If you run a pct without a serm like i have then you wil never run one without it again, i was depressed sad lost muscle couldnt get hard it sucked, but go ahead have fun.
SuperMachoMan said:
yea, exactly haha. how would you know the long term effects. There a million things that take along time to know the actual effects. Asbestos, Aspartame, radiation, fluoridated water, theres alot. Turinabol was used in the 1960's
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again, people using them 2-3 times a year for 4-6 weeks at a time is harldly long term heavy use... you really need to learn how to use terms properly. anyone cycling more often is probably not observing time off = time on + pct, and is being dumb in that regard as well.

ManBeast
 
And yet out of all the compounds used in that era clomid is still used hmmmmm....... I am confused why people these days feel old medicine is inherently bad medicine.

SuperMachoMan said:
yea, exactly haha. how would you know the long term effects. There a million things that take along time to know the actual effects. Asbestos, Aspartame, radiation, fluoridated water, theres alot. Turinabol was used in the 1960's
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Gerbil said:
And yet out of all the compounds used in that era clomid is still used hmmmmm....... I am confused why people these days feel old medicine is inherently bad medicine.
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exactly... clomid wasn't unheard of, just a lot harder to get... dollars to pesos many of those guys would have used it if they knew what we knew and had access like we do.

ManBeast
 
ManBeast said:
again, people using them 2-3 times a year for 4-6 weeks at a time is harldly long term heavy use... you really need to learn how to use terms properly. anyone cycling more often is probably not observing time off = time on + pct, and is being dumb in that regard as well.

ManBeast
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quite the opposite. Long Term effect does not mean "using something for a long time", Long Term Effects mean sometime later down the road maybe 20 30 years it will effect you. lol. something could happen to you once, and the effect may not happen till many years down the road.
 
ManBeast said:
exactly... clomid wasn't unheard of, just a lot harder to get... dollars to pesos many of those guys would have used it if they knew what we knew and had access like we do.

ManBeast
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Oh if they only had access to Toremifene
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Don't you think it would have happened to the people using it for fertility/breast cancer by now then?

ManBeast
 
Maybe not, maybe they preferred being a human yo-yo in the weight department.
ManBeast said:
exactly... clomid wasn't unheard of, just a lot harder to get... dollars to pesos many of those guys would have used it if they knew what we knew and had access like we do.

ManBeast
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So you are suggesting that clomid lies dormant in the body then appears later? Also there is such thing as cost/benefit analyses. Okay clomid is bad for the eyes at high dosages and long term use, so you are suggesting that a decimated test production, and gyno is much better?

SuperMachoMan said:
quite the opposite. Long Term effect does not mean "using something for a long time", Long Term Effects mean sometime later down the road maybe 20 30 years it will effect you. lol. something could happen to you once, and the effect may not happen till many years down the road.
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good point it is an approved fda drug and i know plenty of people (family members with breast cancer) who took nolva for 5 years and the doctor says they are fine. 5 straight years
ManBeast said:
Don't you think it would have happened to the people using it for fertility/breast cancer by now then?

ManBeast
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O well. Its not worth the debate because this is something that can easily be resolved. I am in the middle of my cycle, and wheni am finished, and finished with my PCT with no SERM, ill be honest and let everyone know what happened. Whether i get bitch tits, lose all my gains, and go into depression or if i recover fine, lose a little and overall it was successfull. I am doing 50/75/75/75/75. PCT formula X Erase from NP, Creatine MONOhydrate, first milking colostrum and the continuation of my AI life support.
 
Well I guess ignorance is bliss then.
 
ManBeast said:
Do we anywhere suggest anything resembling "long term" use of serms? No... did the bodybuilders of that era maintain most of their gains? No. They'd cycle up to a contest and then shrink afterwards, and repeat...

And for the record, Dbol is a lot less harsh than many of the "legal" prohormones and designer steroids.

ManBeast
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are you by chance brothers with that "yaz" guy? who said anadrol is "safe" and OK to use for 4 months straight? and also said dbol was not harsh (as you just did)....and said winny was the devil....:D but yeah, dbol is not THAT bad.....but still on the harsher side, It ain't no SD or Anadrol though thats true.......
 
Husker89 said:
He was a track athlete like i used to be and Most of my training was running not bodybuilding. I train for size too but running and sprinting from track is very different the bodybuilding
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So you train for power, & speed
 
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