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RPN havoc(hdrol) just curious if this is common

skoundral

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I am currently on my first cycle of rpn havoc and i have been havin an upset tummy since day 2 its not painfull or anything just feels like i ate to much all the time is it normal to have a upset tumy?
 
What products are you using on cycle? Extra hawthorne berry, celery seed, etc. made my gut hurt last week on cycle. Just a thought.
 
i been taking milk thisle tables 6 a day, vitamen E tablets which are the same as hawthrorne, and fish oil tablets, this is my first week just completed been a lil sick feeling in the tummy most of the week just curious if thats normal. i gained 2.3kg so far tho
 
it could be numerous things... how much of a dose are you taking of the havoc? also, what all supports are you taking... it would be much better for you to just to a cycle assist like N2Guard than to be taking a bunch of different things... also, the fish oil could give you a stomach ache is you are taking too much of it... I would order the N2Guard and take that instead of all the mixing and matching though...
 
only 20mg atm, and i have ordered some cycle assist shud be here early next week, its not painfull tho just annoying i was just gonna keep going as i am untill my cycle assist arrives whats your adivse,

ive been taking during my cycle


6 X milk thistle tables
3 x fish oil tablets
2 X vitamen E tablets
 
Sir. put the steroids down. Please
 
Well you said havoc was hdrol so you're confused as to what you are even taking. That and the dosages suck. Can't imagine what the PCT is...
 
Don't spout off, you are writing this like an early adolescent would. If you've just got stomach pain, take the havoc with more food. If you have LIVER pain, which is an ache on the mid-to-right side of your upper abdomen/lower thorax that is usually intermittent and feels a little like your internal organs are being pinched, you have an issue. In that case, blood tests are indicated, specifically for AST/ALT and bilirubin which is what makes your skin yellow when you have jaundice, and a few other markers for hepatic damage.

If you're overeating, which it sounds like you are if you gained 2.3 kilograms in a week, cut back slightly, but water accumulation can also result from liver issues. I don't think you have ascites though. Not after a week of 20mg/day. I'd try some digestive enzymes. They're cheap.

You should always start support supps a week before the cycle so your body can get used to them and you can isolate the steroid variable and see if it is the cause of GI and other disturbances.

Very, very, very remote chance of pancreatitis, but to aggravate that you'd need some serious orals. That pain would be on the left, and I've only heard of it in a case study of an old man using SD. It would be indicated by a blood test with high lipase/amylase.

If you miss a day in your cycle you'd better eat like crazy because with no injectible ester backbone you will be catabolic as all hell.

And for god's sake post your pct before these guys have you beheaded.
 
My pct is e - block from pro science lab.


Thanks for the info testenistine, I have stopped my cycle anyway, I am pretty sure it was overeating because i was drinking alot of water etc as soon as i stopped pains have gone. only did 5 days. I will wait till i receive my cycle assist and do a decent 2-3 weeks cleanser period before I start it again. Shud I still take my pct even if I have only done 5 days of the cycle?
 
jamesm11 said:
Well you said havoc was hdrol so you're confused as to what you are even taking. That and the dosages suck. Can't imagine what the PCT is...
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Face palm to the OP. you are wasting the best Epistane, sell it to a vet and get you some AndroHard. You are not ready for methylated steroids.
 
skoundral said:
hows it not good enough
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damn.... i really wanted to blast this fool...

to the others who came before me, congratulations.... you beat me to it

to the OP. abort cycle, obtain clomid.... take up tap dancing.... leave the steroids alone
 
Who the fukc misses a full days dosing of steroids? This isn't some ****ing creatine you need to know what your doing and obviously you don't /retard
 
hey dosh didnt miss a day was just asking a question u stupid idiot..... someone thinks there a mad **** aye
 
Don't get upset, its just the internet, we're all super smart, rich, good looking mma champions that would kick each others asss so bad if there wasn't a screen between us. :p
 
And your the one that's a idiot anyway, just cause we give u ****, I still helped you out. Just start taking oral steroids with out proper understanding of what they do and post cycle therapy, come on! You know why we get pissed, because your the reason they start banning stuff. Dumb ass 22 year old took bodybuilding supplement and died of liver failure, or has permanent testicular atrophy lol

Read the material I put in front of your face, appreciate our frustration, and take care of yourself.
 
i have read it stopped my cycle last week only did 5 days, i thought i knew enough tho theres a bit more to look into, anyway ill be getting some more advices soon as i have a pretty idea most of the things ppl have said just didnt expect that happened to happen which i think was from a previously been sick the month before and which i must not have quite gotten over but thanks.
 
They started banning gear because Ben Johnson beat Carl Lewis on Winstrol in Seoul and they kept the garbage up because a HS baseball player killed himself, probably because his doc put him on an SSRI. They obviously don't care about whether guys are getting hurt by this stuff because they banned X-Tren but not epi/havoc/promag or many of the other 17aa's.

This is my concern. We give everybody **** who comes on and asks a question, there are a few who will stay, research, get comfortable enough to do a cycle and do it right. And the rest will get frustrated and angry, say "**** those guys," leave, and use poor cycle planning strategies and dosing/pct protocols anyway. I'm not for ass kissing or holding their hands; I think we do them a favor when we're direct and make a strong point of how important these things are. I also think it's a disservice when we bully them like a dozen frat boys telling them to stay out of our party. Forums are for information dissemination and sharing our experience with people who would benefit from it. If you can't do that with maturity, fine, but you can't gratuitously rag on these guys day after day and then say you're looking out for their best interests.

Years ago when I was at MCRD, ITB, and MOS school for the Marines the NCOs would **** with us all the time but we didn't have any escape, and after weeks of it, it was motivating and good reinforcement. But that was preparing us for something outside of Camp Pendleton or even our FOBs. When I got back to the real world, I found that all that stuff I learned at the Staff NCO Academy didn't mean squat outside the military, because if you go off on a civilian like an SDI would a recruit, they'll just be turned off by it and walk away muttering to themselves. You're not going to break thee guys down and build them back up into tactical roid eating machines through a forum, so that's why I try to be as constructive as possible and educate these guys instead of calling them retards. If it's not your style, fine, it wasn't mine either, but at least a novice will be more willing to listen, and someone with a question will be more willing to ask for help before jeopardizing their health.
 
Hawthorne and vitamin e are not the same. You need to read bro. You would've got less sh!t if you would've said "what is pct?" Yours was one of the worst ive seen. Mail the havoc to me, buy some androhard and go to zumba
 
TestEinstein said:
They started banning gear because Ben Johnson beat Carl Lewis on Winstrol in Seoul and they kept the garbage up because a HS baseball player killed himself, probably because his doc put him on an SSRI. They obviously don't care about whether guys are getting hurt by this stuff because they banned X-Tren but not epi/havoc/promag or many of the other 17aa's.

This is my concern. We give everybody **** who comes on and asks a question, there are a few who will stay, research, get comfortable enough to do a cycle and do it right. And the rest will get frustrated and angry, say "**** those guys," leave, and use poor cycle planning strategies and dosing/pct protocols anyway. I'm not for ass kissing or holding their hands; I think we do them a favor when we're direct and make a strong point of how important these things are. I also think it's a disservice when we bully them like a dozen frat boys telling them to stay out of our party. Forums are for information dissemination and sharing our experience with people who would benefit from it. If you can't do that with maturity, fine, but you can't gratuitously rag on these guys day after day and then say you're looking out for their best interests.

Years ago when I was at MCRD, ITB, and MOS school for the Marines the NCOs would **** with us all the time but we didn't have any escape, and after weeks of it, it was motivating and good reinforcement. But that was preparing us for something outside of Camp Pendleton or even our FOBs. When I got back to the real world, I found that all that stuff I learned at the Staff NCO Academy didn't mean squat outside the military, because if you go off on a civilian like an SDI would a recruit, they'll just be turned off by it and walk away muttering to themselves. You're not going to break thee guys down and build them back up into tactical roid eating machines through a forum, so that's why I try to be as constructive as possible and educate these guys instead of calling them retards. If it's not your style, fine, it wasn't mine either, but at least a novice will be more willing to listen, and someone with a question will be more willing to ask for help before jeopardizing their health.
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If only we could go off like the military: to the point, no fluff...the world would be so much more straight forward haha
 
TestEinstein said:
They started banning gear because Ben Johnson beat Carl Lewis on Winstrol in Seoul and they kept the garbage up because a HS baseball player killed himself, probably because his doc put him on an SSRI. They obviously don't care about whether guys are getting hurt by this stuff because they banned X-Tren but not epi/havoc/promag or many of the other 17aa's.

This is my concern. We give everybody **** who comes on and asks a question, there are a few who will stay, research, get comfortable enough to do a cycle and do it right. And the rest will get frustrated and angry, say "**** those guys," leave, and use poor cycle planning strategies and dosing/pct protocols anyway. I'm not for ass kissing or holding their hands; I think we do them a favor when we're direct and make a strong point of how important these things are. I also think it's a disservice when we bully them like a dozen frat boys telling them to stay out of our party. Forums are for information dissemination and sharing our experience with people who would benefit from it. If you can't do that with maturity, fine, but you can't gratuitously rag on these guys day after day and then say you're looking out for their best interests.

Years ago when I was at MCRD, ITB, and MOS school for the Marines the NCOs would **** with us all the time but we didn't have any escape, and after weeks of it, it was motivating and good reinforcement. But that was preparing us for something outside of Camp Pendleton or even our FOBs. When I got back to the real world, I found that all that stuff I learned at the Staff NCO Academy didn't mean squat outside the military, because if you go off on a civilian like an SDI would a recruit, they'll just be turned off by it and walk away muttering to themselves. You're not going to break thee guys down and build them back up into tactical roid eating machines through a forum, so that's why I try to be as constructive as possible and educate these guys instead of calling them retards. If it's not your style, fine, it wasn't mine either, but at least a novice will be more willing to listen, and someone with a question will be more willing to ask for help before jeopardizing their health.
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hope this wasnt directed too much at me, im all about good information, but it does get down to help people that help themselves. IMO, giving them a hard time and still providing the proper links is the best way to do it. im not gonna spell it out for everyone, but ill point them in the right direction with a stiff kick in the ass to move them along haha.
 
Pretty sure it was directed at me lulz lulz lulz
 
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