Christian Friends - End Time Prophecies?
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B5150
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They call it "spirits" for a reason. To consume alcohol, in and of itself is not sinful. To be a drunk is.
B5150
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Malachi 4
The Day of the LORD
“Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the LORD Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them. But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall. Then you will trample down the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I do these things,” says the LORD Almighty.
“Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel.
“See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse.”
This planet is surely not blessed nor is this country. Pay attention.
The Day of the LORD
“Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the LORD Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them. But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall. Then you will trample down the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I do these things,” says the LORD Almighty.
“Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel.
“See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse.”
This planet is surely not blessed nor is this country. Pay attention.
matt8483
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Heat Miser said:
Ha! ^^^ this is someone who plays both sides of the fence too. U people are amazing! Not sure what cult u belong to but if u are who u think u are, ur faith would be strong enough to kick ur addictions. All this, being ok to drink but not get drunk stuff is just an outlet for u to pollute ur body without a sense of guilt. Again, smoking,drinking, shooting steroids, etc. Are all impurities. And if u love "GOD" like u say u do, u wouldn't put these in ur body. Anyway, do ur thing, it makes no difference to me. But if u continue to believe that ur doing ur best to be righteous, your wrong. And u are just making a mockery of "GOD". "GOD" says ur either with me or without me. And that doesn't mean 50-50.
vidapreta
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Is there a difference between Agnostic and Atheist??
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Whacked
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Sup Vida
An "ATHEIST" as one who disbelieves or denies the existence of God.
An "AGONIST" is one who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God or one who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
It's like the difference between and a peach and a nectarine. Very close but not identical. LOL
An "ATHEIST" as one who disbelieves or denies the existence of God.
An "AGONIST" is one who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God or one who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
It's like the difference between and a peach and a nectarine. Very close but not identical. LOL
vidapreta
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Yeah one is just a little more furry:rofl:So it seems like an Agnostic is just someone who's confused/not ready to make a decision one way or the other. Where as an Atheist has made his choice.
Whacked
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B5150
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You assume an awful lot about who I am and what I do and know nothing of either. Where ever did I state that I am righteous? Where ever did I state that my behaviors are righteous? Quite the contrary actually. There is no righteousness in me other than that of faith and a relationship with Christ Jesus.
No One Is Righteous
What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”
“Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”
“Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
ruin and misery mark their ways,
and the way of peace they do not know.”
“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
Righteousness Through Faith
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
Sadly you have taken a discussion and turned it to making derogatory accusations.
The statement was that I am sure there is a mark that you have set for yourself and at times fail to reach. For none of us are perfect; not me, not you.
Merry Christmas!
AE14
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agreed here, agnostics are not sure and believe anything is possible, but it would be well beyond our ability to comprehend it either way
vidapreta
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You're an Agnostic??
AE14
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TBH, I dont really classify myself as anything. IMO, most of our founding fathers had it correct as deists. If there is a creator, it is a completely impersonal one, who after creation, left us to our own devices. I am not one to believe that there is something out there looking out for our best interests and will intervene on our behalf if we pray for it. All that illustrates to me, is that the person praying has an inflated sense of self to believe that this omnipotent creator would listen to them over others. So silly...
On the flip side, there could just be nothing
I dont really know if it is truly worth the search to figure it out.
fueledpassion
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Yeah, it means that we bear the record of Christ or we don't. And since Christ was perfect, this is the only outlet one has - to accept the gift of God, which guess what? Is the record of Christ. While many of your statements are right and understandable, you are still misunderstanding what actually makes us righteous. We aren't claiming or having faith in our efforts in religion. We are having faith and trusting in the work done by Christ. That is all.
NuclearLaunch
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No ones perfect. Your definition of righteous makes it sounds like righteous = sinless.
You should also include working out as a sin to make me less righteous or bash my faith. God made us in his image and likeness so I guess working out to better ourselves and our bodies isn't how God made us. If he wanted us to be big we would have been born big right??
You should also include working out as a sin to make me less righteous or bash my faith. God made us in his image and likeness so I guess working out to better ourselves and our bodies isn't how God made us. If he wanted us to be big we would have been born big right??
matt8483
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NuclearLaunch said:
Wow! ^^^^ u have no clue, do u...
Some of us were born big, it's the people who shoot steroids to get big, those are the ones who commit sins everytime they take that stuff. AGAIN, whether it's smoking, drinking, steroids, anything that's not naturally occurring in ur body is a sin. It has nothing to do with being perfect! If u knowing commit the same sin everyday and then repent everyday for that same sin, u are waisting ur time! U are making a mockery of "GOD". U people just don't get it! Keep doing ur thing! U will not go to "heaven"! U cannot play both sides of the fence! " GOD " has his " rules "! Of course everyone sins. But to go to bed at night, knowing that ur gonna commit the same sin tomorrow is just foolish!!
carpee
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matt8483 said:
exactly and the bible says this exact same thing.
it calls out people just like you're calling them out.
at the same time, Christians have to put weight and faith in what was done on the cross. He (Jesus) rose from death, and is still living...so that us foolish, steroid using sinners are able to be saved.
I'm not disagreeing with you but can we stick with the topic: biblical end times prophecy.
vidapreta
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matt8483
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vidapreta said:
Lol! Good question! That is not a mind altering substance. I believe antibiotics are natural. That is obviously different. U are only taking it to get better. And I doubt anyone is addicted to antibiotics. U take it to get better, then when ur better u don't take it anymore. It's not anywhere near the same class as mind altering substances.
B5150
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"Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”
Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”
He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.”
“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”
It does? Tell me where it does?
Last time I checked both males and females have natural occurring endogenous testosterone - a steroid.
You seem to make qualifications where you want to. Not everyone who drinks is addicted to alcohol. Nor is everyone who uses steroids addicted to steroids. Now you believe that antibiotics are natural so you say that is OK? You seem to now have your own classifications of what substances are and are not acceptable.
You seem also to have authority to decide who will and won't go to Heaven?
Leviticus 19:28
“Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD."
Are you married? Are you a virgin? How is your masturbation problem?
You are failing greatly at seeing what Christ has done.
matt8483
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Heat Miser said:
Yea u have no clue... U r just plain stubborn! I can't keep repeating myself. U just want to justify ur lifestyle without any clue of what the truth really is. Or u are just trying to sound like u have knowledge about this subject. Nothing u have said thus far is correct, but it sounds really good. I can see why u have convinced yourself and others who also have no clue. Good luck!
NuclearLaunch
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matt8483 said:
Some people are just idiots...
Jesus drank. He was sinless. Drinking in moderation is not a sin. My body does not naturally make naproxen sodium so I guess aleve is a sin. When I got my wisdom teeth out I was given LTs. Took them as prescribed, guess that was a sin.
My friend had to be put on HGH at a you g age because of premature birth and growth defects. I guess I should just tell him he's damned to hell along with me.
The other day I drank a glass of lemonade. I guess that lemon juice wasn't naturally produced by my body so I'm damned for that also.
Thanks for the insight bro. Totally see what you mean now.
Notice how ridiculous I sound being facetious, you sound that ridiculous being serious.
matt8483
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NuclearLaunch said:
Do y'all ignorant morons read any of these posts? Or are y'all too quick to think about what BS your gonna say next to even grasp the posts that anyone else but u have posted. Alcohol is a mind altering substance. What in your right thinks that something that attacks the liver, is also not destroying the temple of "GOD"?? IDIOT!! And as far as ur other claims, AGAIN MIND ALTERING SUBSTANCES!
NuclearLaunch
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Lemonade = mind alerting. Oh ****.
B5150
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I have no clue? I have quite a good idea of what the truth is and you are distorting the truth regarding righteousness and Christ. Keeping the law does not make you or anyone righteous. Christ and Christ alone makes you righteous before God.
I am not justifying my lifestyle or any lifestyle. You don't know me, My lifestyle, my actions or my heart so don't assume you do. Any sin in my life is equal to yours regardless. Mine is no greater than yours, nor yours greater than mine. You need to read your scripture and be taught to understand who we are as sinners and who Jesus is as Christ. Any sin I have in my life is no greater than the sin you have in yours. It is in your heart and cannot be reconciled by abstinence of behavior.
Ephesians 2:3 “We started out bad, being born with evil natures.” - That is you and that is me.
Romans 3 “There is none righteous; not even one. There is none who understands; there is none who seeks for God. All have turned aside. Together they have become useless. There is none who does good; there is not even one.” - That is you and that is me.
Romans 5
Peace and Hope
Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we boast in the hope of the glory of God. Not only so, but we also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.
You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.
Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
I encourage you to become more educated and less opinionated. Your rudeness, arrogance and self-righteous attitude is quite the sin itself displaying, as I have stated before, that you are indeed a hypocrite. So while you so arrogantly and abrasively concern yourself with the splinter in our eyes I suggest you do something about the forest that has blocked out both of yours.
"But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect..." 1 Peter 3:15
I suggest that you reconsider your tone (all of you) before posting again.
Whacked
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[SUP]Revelation 9[/SUP]And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
[SUP]10[/SUP]The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: [SUP]11[/SUP]And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Given the above, I would say YES - Game over one you accept the mark
[SUP]10[/SUP]The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: [SUP]11[/SUP]And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Given the above, I would say YES - Game over one you accept the mark
NuclearLaunch
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vidapreta said:
It's never to late. God would have forgiven judas. All it takes is repentance.
NuclearLaunch
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Back to topic. I personally don't believe we have knowledge of the end time. I don't think it will be soon. The 2012 is cr@p. that won't happen...
B5150
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A sign of the End Times....?
R1balla
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i think Obama is here to make the path for the anti christ honestly. and yes, i have been under the impression the anti christ will come from the middle east, everybody will love him...etc and that def isnt OBAMA. everybody hates him. now if he gets re-elected and changes things and everybody loves him, then i would watch out.
R1balla
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do studies on the "drink" that they drank back them. The amount of alcohol in the drinks is very very small. it would have taken near 20 drinks to get somebody tipsy back then. now you can have 2 glasses of wine and be good. different types of drinks.
and im not saying drinking is a sin or not. for me, it is. it would affect my relationship with Christ. If it doesnt affect yours and you dont have any guilt with it, then thats great.
carpee
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NuclearLaunch said:
2012 stuff can be crap...
but to say we won't have knowledge of the time is not accurate in the Bible.
it speaks of birth pains and signs that will get worse as the day approaches. we will not know the EXACT day and hour but we have fair knowledge that it's coming.
plus everything is aligning so that, economically at least, people will welcome a one world govt/currency because they will believe the lie that the current system has failed.
the way things are looking make it seem soon, but who knows it could be another 100 years...but it could be tomorrow.
NuclearLaunch
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carpee said:
Doesn't the bible also say that not even the son, but only the father knows?
R1balla
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correct.
NuclearLaunch
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R1balla said:
Then how can we even begin to guess or try to predict when it is if Jesus himself doesn't even know?
carpee
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NuclearLaunch said:
you're talking about the specific day and hour.
we have signs of it being near...
think of it this way:
I'm having a party. the exact date and time is a secret, but it will be soon so be ready.
we have signs and knowledge as it approaches...which I truly believe is now.
look at the history of Israel and look at the world aligning for a one world govt/economy type platform.
houstontexas
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AE14 said:
Yep ppl have been saying this stuff forever... One thing is true tho every day that passes the end gets a little closer... Spooky...