Election of 2012....Who ya got?

On an interesting note, a recent Washington Post article is stating that Condalezza Rice has a very good chance to be the GOP VP nominee, as her foreign policy chops are very strong. There is also grumbling of a Biden-Hillary switch as well.
 
AE14 said:
On an interesting note, a recent Washington Post article is stating that Condalezza Rice has a very good chance to be the GOP VP nominee, as her foreign policy chops are very strong. There is also grumbling of a Biden-Hillary switch as well.
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contrast her with Palin. whew ;)
 
AE14 said:
On an interesting note, a recent Washington Post article is stating that Condalezza Rice has a very good chance to be the GOP VP nominee, as her foreign policy chops are very strong. There is also grumbling of a Biden-Hillary switch as well.
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I'd much rather a Biden-Obama swap.
 
Jessep76 said:
I'd rather Joe than Barack, yes. Is he my first choice no, but I think we would have been out of Iraq sooner.
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this is the man who just said the Taliban is not an enemy.

when the NDAA/"indefinite detainment" bill that just passed the house states in its own words that the Taliban is an enemy/threat.

Sorry man...they are both idiots

but yes not a first choice hahah
 
AE14 said:
On an interesting note, a recent Washington Post article is stating that Condalezza Rice has a very good chance to be the GOP VP nominee, as her foreign policy chops are very strong. There is also grumbling of a Biden-Hillary switch as well.
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lol

(not you ae14)
 
EasyEJL said:
Me too, the press conferences would be funnier
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One thing I really miss about the Bush regime. I mean, they destroy planetary civilization, but at least its easy to poke fun at them, right?
 
DerickVonD said:
I want Ron Paul to win. I have no faith in any other candidates.
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The more I study socialism, corporatism (or whatever fancy names are out there for Marxist philosophies) --> the more I like Ron Paul. He's the only one that truly focuses on getting this country back to it's original intent. I haven't decided how I feel about his foreign policy at this point, but everything else looks golden. I think he has a chance, really. He's such starking contrast to Obama that I'd almost bet people would be enticed to consider him.
 
fueledpassion said:
The more I study socialism, corporatism (or whatever fancy names are out there for Marxist philosophies) --> the more I like Ron Paul. He's the only one that truly focuses on getting this country back to it's original intent. I haven't decided how I feel about his foreign policy at this point, but everything else looks golden. I think he has a chance, really. He's such starking contrast to Obama that I'd almost bet people would be enticed to consider him.
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I've been praying that he wins. Come on what other candidate would audit the federal reserve?
 
DerickVonD said:
I've been praying that he wins. Come on what other candidate would audit the federal reserve?
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No one. He is also th only candidate that will minimize the fourth branch of government --> the IRA's aka regulators. Pretty sure no one else would cut the IRS and $1 trillion in government spending in the first year, lol. But man it sound good. I so hope we can get back to pre-1913 America.
 
fueledpassion said:
No one. He is also th only candidate that will minimize the fourth branch of government --> the IRA's aka regulators. Pretty sure no one else would cut the IRS and $1 trillion in government spending in the first year, lol. But man it sound good. I so hope we can get back to pre-1913 America.
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Me and my buddy were talking about if he wins and gas prices go down, I'm definitely buying a deuce and a half.
 
I will never understand Ron Paul fans. He would be a disaster. Imagine how divided the congress would be, nothing would get done, and we would e in the same situation if not worse than now.

On the good side, he will never win as the republican party will never get behind him. Face it, Romney v. Obama.
 
AE14 said:
I will never understand Ron Paul fans. He would be a disaster. Imagine how divided the congress would be, nothing would get done, and we would e in the same situation if not worse than now.

On the good side, he will never win as the republican party will never get behind him. Face it, Romney v. Obama.
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It already is a disaster, and with more wars and corruption in the forecast a halt in progress is better that negative progress.

Remember that movie "Lean On Me" with corrupt faculty and staff and the students out of control.....Ron Paul is Mr. Clark.
 
ax1 said:
It already is a disaster, and with more wars and corruption in the forecast a halt in progress is better that negative progress.

Remember that movie "Lean On Me" with corrupt faculty and staff and the students out of control.....Ron Paul is Mr. Clark.
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Terrible analogy. Mr. Clark did not face all the roadblocks that Paul will. He will be the ultimate do nothing president.
 
ax1 said:
It already is a disaster, and with more wars and corruption in the forecast a halt in progress is better that negative progress.

Remember that movie "Lean On Me" with corrupt faculty and staff and the students out of control.....Ron Paul is Mr. Clark.
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Amen to that. It's already jacked up and I'm just saying that I'm not going to let this go quiety into the night. I'm voting Ron Paul if he makes it to election. I don't believe in his skills as a speaker or debater. I believe in what he stands for. Whether a liberal wishes to admit it or not is something that the country was founded upon. But at any rate, I do believe a republican of nearly any sort is better than Obama. But I also believe that many candidates are also pro-socialist, just like Bush was. Even Gingrich, for instance, tries to hold socialism over Obama's head but I personally dont think he'd be so much different. A true socialist makes people think they have freedoms to live how they want when in reality that government has all the control. Obama sucked at this, he was too obvious about government control. Gingrich and Romney on the other hand will accomplish the same as Obama and more yet make the public feel like they are being "liberated".

And BTW, Ron Paul has a good chance. He is #1 in the Iowa polls - tied with Mitt Romney. Good for him! I hope he wins because it means a terribly menacing threat is headed to Washington to clean up the liberals, socialist and anti-democractic legislature. I hope the people get behind him, too since that's what it will take to get our freedoms back like it used to be before this Marxist crap started taking over our country.
 
fueledpassion said:
Amen to that. It's already jacked up and I'm just saying that I'm not going to let this go quiety into the night. I'm voting Ron Paul if he makes it to election. I don't believe in his skills as a speaker or debater. I believe in what he stands for. Whether a liberal wishes to admit it or not is something that the country was founded upon. But at any rate, I do believe a republican of nearly any sort is better than Obama. But I also believe that many candidates are also pro-socialist, just like Bush was. Even Gingrich, for instance, tries to hold socialism over Obama's head but I personally dont think he'd be so much different. A true socialist makes people think they have freedoms to live how they want when in reality that government has all the control. Obama sucked at this, he was too obvious about government control. Gingrich and Romney on the other hand will accomplish the same as Obama and more yet make the public feel like they are being "liberated".

And BTW, Ron Paul has a good chance. He is #1 in the Iowa polls - tied with Mitt Romney. Good for him! I hope he wins because it means a terribly menacing threat is headed to Washington to clean up the liberals, socialist and anti-democractic legislature. I hope the people get behind him, too since that's what it will take to get our freedoms back like it used to be before this Marxist crap started taking over our country.
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Fueled, to make this a partisan issue is silly. Both parties are corporatists, they are no different the only issue for Paul is that republicans will ever support him, no matter what. Even if he pulls off Iowa, he is trailing in all other early states. If I was a betting man, I say Romney pulls away early
 
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Fueled, to make this a partisan issue is silly. Both parties are corporatists, they are no different the only issue for Paul is that republicans will ever support him, no matter what. Even if he pulls off Iowa, he is trailing in all other early states. If I was a betting man, I say Romney pulls away early
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agreed.

both parties are more or less the same. BIG government.

Gingrich is a progressive. he repeats over and over his love affair for Teddy Roosevelt.
 
carpee said:
agreed.

both parties are more or less the same. BIG government.

Gingrich is a progressive. he repeats over and over his love affair for Teddy Roosevelt.
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Saying it and doing it are 2 different things. Teddy was also an enormous war monger, just throwing that out there
 
AE14 said:
Saying it and doing it are 2 different things. Teddy was also an enormous war monger, just throwing that out there
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yes a war loving progressive.

if you are supposed to head a "conservative" party it's pretty bass ackwards to state TR as your role model
 
AE14 said:
I will never understand Ron Paul fans. He would be a disaster. Imagine how divided the congress would be, nothing would get done, and we would e in the same situation if not worse than now.

On the good side, he will never win as the republican party will never get behind him. Face it, Romney v. Obama.
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The most frightening phrase in the English language is "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."

Tell me this, has it ever been better for the American people when Congress "accomplishes" more? Or is them passing nothing better for us?
 
EasyEJL said:
The most frightening phrase in the English language is "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."

Tell me this, has it ever been better for the American people when Congress "accomplishes" more? Or is them passing nothing better for us?
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While I completely agree that sometimes it is better to have no action.....I wonder then, what would be the point of a Ron Paul Presidency? Just to have no action for 4 years, and then watch someone else come in, since Paul will be in his 80's by then? Seems like a waste, and furthermore, I am not sure that we can get by now with no action.
 
AE14 said:
While I completely agree that sometimes it is better to have no action.....I wonder then, what would be the point of a Ron Paul Presidency? Just to have no action for 4 years, and then watch someone else come in, since Paul will be in his 80's by then? Seems like a waste, and furthermore, I am not sure that we can get by now with no action.
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There would be plenty of action...of course there would be resistance in congress and who knows how much would really be accomplished in a measly 4 years (or 8), but you have to start somewhere to get all the rats out of there.

At least we wouldnt have an executive ordering assassinations of American citizens or going to wars with other countries without consulting congress for a while for starters.

We wouldnt have an excecutive signing off to extend the Patriot act, or signing other domestic police state policies such as the current NDAA bill for example.
 
AE14 said:
While I completely agree that sometimes it is better to have no action.....I wonder then, what would be the point of a Ron Paul Presidency? Just to have no action for 4 years, and then watch someone else come in, since Paul will be in his 80's by then? Seems like a waste, and furthermore, I am not sure that we can get by now with no action.
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He'd be able to dismantle all the czars, overturn regulations and as commander in chief close foreign military bases. And he could use the bully pulpit far better to force Congress' hands.

No more paying for 1 years spending with 10 years' income.....
 
I am not too sure he could accomplish what you hope. Executive orders can go so far, and by doing that he is a hypocrite for violating the balance of powers :)
 
As an aside, the most recent Rasmussen from 12/19 has Romney at 25% in Iowa and Paul at 20%.
 
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I am not too sure he could accomplish what you hope. Executive orders can go so far, and by doing that he is a hypocrite for violating the balance of powers :)
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He wouldnt be going outside of his constitutional authority. I wonder what constitutional powers he has to veto severe unconstitutional policy...hmmm time to research more.
 
I was looking at Ron Paul's site and here is one of the things he claims he will do.
"Stop the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) from interfering with Americans’ knowledge of and access to dietary supplements and alternative treatments."
^that sounds good to me. The only thing I am a little confused about is his policy on social security. Can anyone clarify?
 
DerickVonD said:
I was looking at Ron Paul's site and here is one of the things he claims he will do.
"Stop the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) from interfering with Americans’ knowledge of and access to dietary supplements and alternative treatments."
^that sounds good to me. The only thing I am a little confused about is his policy on social security. Can anyone clarify?
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I heard him mention that he isnt planning on just getting rid of it, I mean alot of people put their money into it already and really its not on the priority list.

Social Security is a Federal Reserve ponzi scheme though, here is Ron Paul's brother on social security and its history
[video=youtube;x4gPPdlisMQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4gPPdlisMQ[/video]
 
That is very, very interesting..

I knew about the 16th and 17th amendments in 1913, I guess ole Woodrow thought he needed a brand new bank (FRB) to hold all that new found money he was going to make on taxes. Blows my mind what our government gets away with these days!

And the typical sentence for Ponzi schemers is comparable to a 3rd or 2nd degree murderers sentence. Some food for thought...this shouldn't be taken lightly according to our justice system.
 
Well see I get an SSI check and food stamps and I have insurance, that I don't have to pay a dime for. I'm classified with having Bipolar among other things, this makes it hard for me to legally own guns unfortunately. So, yeah my main concern was will I still get my insurance and check? Also, please before anyone says I should just get a job, I can't drive, I've been in college for 4 years and most places aren't hiring.
 
DerickVonD said:
Well see I get an SSI check and food stamps and I have insurance, that I don't have to pay a dime for. I'm classified with having Bipolar among other things, this makes it hard for me to legally own guns unfortunately. So, yeah my main concern was will I still get my insurance and check? Also, please before anyone says I should just get a job, I can't drive, I've been in college for 4 years and most places aren't hiring.
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Get a job....lol just kidding,

If Ron Paul wins, he isnt going in there and stopping social security. Priorities are auditing the Fed, ending all the wars and bringing our troops home from WWII finally, re-instill the constitution and stop the transformation of the Police State (which is going full steam ahead), and so forth.

One thing you have to realize is that your checks are paid for, and if this country goes into further bankruptcy or the currency collapses your checks will be useless.
 
DerickVonD said:
Well see I get an SSI check and food stamps and I have insurance, that I don't have to pay a dime for. I'm classified with having Bipolar among other things, this makes it hard for me to legally own guns unfortunately. So, yeah my main concern was will I still get my insurance and check? Also, please before anyone says I should just get a job, I can't drive, I've been in college for 4 years and most places aren't hiring.
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"places aren't hiring" is a bunch of crap. plenty of place are, most small employers i've talked to get dozens of applications and can't find one worth hiring because of so many errors in the application. misspelling your city? "collage" instead of "college", etc.

but ron paul has stated that although social security + medicare aren't constitutionally authorized, they'd be phased out over time, not dropped like a rock. and the statement included that anyone who is already receiving checks will continue to do so.
 
EasyEJL said:
"places aren't hiring" is a bunch of crap. plenty of place are, most small employers i've talked to get dozens of applications and can't find one worth hiring because of so many errors in the application. misspelling your city? "collage" instead of "college", etc.
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I think its more regional though, right? I mean if your willing to move you can find a job at least, which is better than being broke. If you cant move (maybe taking care of elderly parents for example) then things get rougher but life of course is a challenge you have to overcome.
 
ax1 said:
I think its more regional though, right? I mean if your willing to move you can find a job at least, which is better than being broke. If you cant move (maybe taking care of elderly parents for example) then things get rougher but life of course is a challenge you have to overcome.
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this is mirrored by general statements from board of commerce members nationally. we've raised a generation of idiots who write in texting grade english....
 
EasyEJL said:
this is mirrored by general statements from board of commerce members nationally. we've raised a generation of idiots who write in texting grade english....
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you couldnt be more correct. I have worked in education for a decade, and it is getting progressively worse. I am currently the head of a history department of roughly 20 teachers, and the level of writing has gotten progressively worse every year. The saddest part is that when students lose points on an assignment based on their writing, it is their parents that b!tch and moan how it is ridiculous that their child should not receive a higher grade regardless of their writing skill. I have had several parents who claim that the teacher "just hates" their child, or there is a conspiracy against the child. While I find those conversations funny, it is a sad indication of where we are headed as a society.
 
AE14 said:
you couldnt be more correct. I have worked in education for a decade, and it is getting progressively worse. I am currently the head of a history department of roughly 20 teachers, and the level of writing has gotten progressively worse every year. The saddest part is that when students lose points on an assignment based on their writing, it is their parents that b!tch and moan how it is ridiculous that their child should not receive a higher grade regardless of their writing skill. I have had several parents who claim that the teacher "just hates" their child, or there is a conspiracy against the child. While I find those conversations funny, it is a sad indication of where we are headed as a society.
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When I was younger I was put back in both english and math classes, not because of failing grades but because I had bad handwriting skills. They were very specific, "your writing is good, but I have a hard time with it so Im sending you to ESL class" or, "your math skills are good, but Im putting you in a lower math class just because you write sloppy"

wtf?
 
I'd just like to say. I'm so tired of people saying They don't like Ron Paul, because he'd cut off aid to Israel. Last time I checked it was supposed to be the United States of America, not the United States of Israel.
 
I like Huntsman, but he doesn't stand a chance. It's too difficult for the American public to pick a moderate because it is hard to tell how they'll sway in the future. At least with a democrat or republican you know, generally, where they sit on a certain topic.
 
DerickVonD said:
I'd just like to say. I'm so tired of people saying They don't like Ron Paul, because he'd cut off aid to Israel. Last time I checked it was supposed to be the United States of America, not the United States of Israel.
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Ron Paul is the most Constitutionally sound runner out there. It's sad tho because the only reason he wont get serious consideration is because a majority of the voting public does not make their decision based on knowledge and research but rather on social issues, ethnicity and party representation. At this point Paul needs to go Independent and completely dominate the young voters at the polls.

Looking from an objective, historical perspective RP is the most American of the candidates while Obama is the most Marxist of the group. Eveyone else falls in between obviously.

As a side note I'll say that while I wanted us to have the extra 10-15% oil from the pipeline in Canada, I was ever so glad to see Obama in a predicament between his character and his personal agenda. And, to the republican benefit, he revealed the truth about BOTH of them. His character sucks and he'd rather work toward funding his ambitions thru the environmentalist rather than give several thousand jobs to America as well as give us another huge source of oil. The best thing tho is that he lost alo of respect in that moment ESPECIALLY with the labor union! He screwed himself badly the other night by turning down that pipeline for a very very small minority in California, lol.
 
fueledpassion said:
Ron Paul is the most Constitutionally sound runner out there. It's sad tho because the only reason he wont get serious consideration is because a majority of the voting public does not make their decision based on knowledge and research but rather on social issues, ethnicity and party representation. At this point Paul needs to go Independent and completely dominate the young voters at the polls.

Looking from an objective, historical perspective RP is the most American of the candidates while Obama is the most Marxist of the group. Eveyone else falls in between obviously.

As a side note I'll say that while I wanted us to have the extra 10-15% oil from the pipeline in Canada, I was ever so glad to see Obama in a predicament between his character and his personal agenda. And, to the republican benefit, he revealed the truth about BOTH of them. His character sucks and he'd rather work toward funding his ambitions thru the environmentalist rather than give several thousand jobs to America as well as give us another huge source of oil. The best thing tho is that he lost alo of respect in that moment ESPECIALLY with the labor union! He screwed himself badly the other night by turning down that pipeline for a very very small minority in California, lol.
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Obama a marxist? wow....he is anything but

At the end of the day, Obama is going to win because the Republicans have put up an awful bunch of candidates, that no one is going to get behind.

I love the support for Paul. The good Dr. who in 2007 said he doesnt support evolution. Boy, thats who I want leading the US in the 21st century.
 
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