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Secondary hypo/testicle size

jdub1980

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Started TRT several months ago. I believe I am secondary hypo because LH numbers were in range but on the low side. Testicles had already atrophied over past few years before starting TRT. Ran HCG for a few months while on TRT, but it didn't help bring testicles back to normal size. Might not have done it long enough or in a high enough dose, not sure. Was using 150iu e3d.

My question is this: Will HCG help bring testicles back to normal size while on TRT if they are already atrophied? Or, should I lay of the TRT and do a restart with clomid/nolva, then get back on TRT/HCG once testicles get bigger? Not wanting to stop TRT, just wanting to get testicles sagging again.
 
jdub1980 said:
Started TRT several months ago. I believe I am secondary hypo because LH numbers were in range but on the low side. Testicles had already atrophied over past few years before starting TRT. Ran HCG for a few months while on TRT, but it didn't help bring testicles back to normal size. Might not have done it long enough or in a high enough dose, not sure. Was using 150iu e3d.

My question is this: Will HCG help bring testicles back to normal size while on TRT if they are already atrophied? Or, should I lay of the TRT and do a restart with clomid/nolva, then get back on TRT/HCG once testicles get bigger? Not wanting to stop TRT, just wanting to get testicles sagging again.
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One can use HCG to help testicles increase size. IF you have good LH then I would not screw with HCG, but it is something to consider talking to your DR about. Dosage varies among person. HCG can signifcantly increase e2 in certain indivuduals. If my balls are small so what as long as I can shot a good load, and function I could care less. They get in the way of leg pressing and other exercises LOL. Question is are you wanting off HRT for good. Restart are possible, but one needs to have all areas in check before trying a restart.
 
Not wanting to stop TRT; just want to get balls bigger and I'm not sure I can while on TRT, even with HCG. I want to know if it is possible to get balls bigger with HCG while on TRT if they were already atrophied before starting TRT. Willing to give HCG another shot. How long will it take to see a noticeable difference with HCG and what dosage should I use?
 
jdub1980 said:
Not wanting to stop TRT; just want to get balls bigger and I'm not sure I can while on TRT, even with HCG. I want to know if it is possible to get balls bigger with HCG while on TRT if they were already atrophied before starting TRT. Willing to give HCG another shot. How long will it take to see a noticeable difference with HCG and what dosage should I use?
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250 ius 2-3 times a week is sufficient in most cases. Some times too much and you cause a down regulation to LH. I have a few guys on DAA and notice larger nuts as side effect, but this stuff is not long term and only recommend it after doing proper cellular analysis on them.
 
jdub1980 said:
Will give HCG another try at 200iu the day before test injections. Hopefully this will work.
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The way to proper measure if it is working is to keep pushing it up till your T levels keep rising, but e2 stays the same. As soon as your T levels stops then all the extra hcg wlll goto e2. This has to be done with blood work, measure levels every few weeks until you see this change. This is one way you will know saturation levels because rest will be spilling over into e2 with out the rise in the testosterone levels. Keep increasing via 50 ius per shot max to 400-500 ius. Too much HCG and you will down regulate LH receptors
 
Matrix, I have done HCG subligually. The info I found, stated use twice the dose that you would inject. What is really nice about doing HCG sublingually is I can dose 50 IUs 4 times a day. I can feel the HCG and measure the TT increase, and the T4 increase, so I know it is getting into my system. WHY do you guys PIN HCG, and cause unsteady blood doses, when you could drop it under your tongue????
 
shbg82 said:
Matrix, I have done HCG subligually. The info I found, stated use twice the dose that you would inject. What is really nice about doing HCG sublingually is I can dose 50 IUs 4 times a day. I can feel the HCG and measure the TT increase, and the T4 increase, so I know it is getting into my system. WHY do you guys PIN HCG, and cause unsteady blood doses, when you could drop it under your tongue????
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Hcg can not survive gastric acid and will destablize, you may be using homeopathic form not real hcg..
 
NO, real HCG, and subligual means absorbed into my blood stream under my tongue. It bypasses stomach and liver 1st pass.

People have been sublingualing HCG for years and years for diet purposes, and it works just fine.

I was just wondering if anyone had efficacy info between juxtaposing injecting and sublingual HCG?

If you don't have to PIN something, why would you?
 
shbg82 said:
NO, real HCG, and subligual means absorbed into my blood stream under my tongue. It bypasses stomach and liver 1st pass.

People have been sublingualing HCG for years and years for diet purposes, and it works just fine.

I was just wondering if anyone had efficacy info between juxtaposing injecting and sublingual HCG?

If you don't have to PIN something, why would you?
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Even sublinqually a large amount will get washed down into the digestive tract. I agree with you about shots, but with HCG you have no idea on how it is going to react to the body since it fires up alot of metabolic pathways. As soon as you mix it, do you put it in the refridgerator? Since bacterio static water is used anything else would end up destablizing it. To prove it works lets find some 10 people low LH low T then monitor them while they are taking it with no changes in diet or exercise. After 6 weeks there should be a rise in Total Testosterone, I think that should give a good identication of how it is working in a clinical setting. I would just like to see a controled studied conducted on it in order to sustain it claims.
 
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