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40 Years old, second cycle. Help? Opinions from the more experienced?

nekidchickens

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I have been through one cycle already (test eth only, 13 weeks). My body reacted pretty well to it, and since I was "Playing it safe" the first cycle, I am looking to get into a better, hopefully more effective cycle in my second one.

I am 40 Years old, have been training for 2 years consistently. I am just looking to gain as much muscle mass as I can.

I was thinking of what seems to be a very simple and common cycle.

Weeks 1-4
Dbol- 30 ml/day (on workout days, 10 in off days)
Test Eth- 500 mg/week
Deca- 200 mg/week

Weeks 5-13
Test Eth- 750 mg/week
Deca- 300 mg/week

Week 14-15
Test Eth- 500 mg/week
Deca- 200 mg/week

Week 16
Test Eth 250 mg



PCT
Week 18-20 Nolvadex 20 mg/day

I will also have Nolva on hand "just in case".

Is this a pretty good skeleton for a cycle?

I have a while to get it sorted out, any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
 
do 30mg d bol ED or drop it all together, no sense in 30 ON day, 10 OFF days.

The deca is too low, unless its just there for your joints it wont do anything really. Goto 400mg or drop it.

Test looks good. Nolva wks 18-19 40mg, wk 20 20mg, wk 21 10mg. make sure to pin 2x a wk for stable blood levels.
 
gymrat827 said:
do 30mg d bol ED or drop it all together, no sense in 30 ON day, 10 OFF days.

The deca is too low, unless its just there for your joints it wont do anything really. Goto 400mg or drop it.

Test looks good. Nolva wks 18-19 40mg, wk 20 20mg, wk 21 10mg. make sure to pin 2x a wk for stable blood levels.
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Great post. A lot to consider.

Why do you say that there is no need to reduce the dose in off days? I was under the impression that it just doesn't stay in your system for very long, so the lower dosage is just to keep levels of it in the body. Wrong way of thinking?

What do you think about EQ instead of deca? I have heard that it isn't the builder that deca is, but way fewer side effects.

Is the stack better than just straight test? I find that these answers are hard to find in the reference material on these drugs.

Thank you again.

J
 
I would go with eq over deca personally. And I would lay it out like:

Week 1-4: dbol at 30 mg ed
Weeks 1-15: test and eq at 400-500mg each.
Weeks 18-21: Nolvadex

If you don't mind an extra injection every week, 250iu of hcg every week for the first 17 weeks would be great.
 
New cycle after careful consideration

So after careful consideration of what everyone is saying. I thought this might be a better cycle.

Week 1-4 Test- 500mg
Week 5-14 Test- 750mg
Week 15-16 Test 500mg
Week 1-5 Dbol 30mg/day
Week 1-15 Deca 300Mg

On cycle ai:
Aromasin at 12.5Mg

Pct starts two Weeks after last test injection:

Clomid 100/100/75/50


THoughts? I think that I have carefully covered everything. I was going to do Novladex 20mg while on cycle, but have been told that it isn't a good mix.
 
How much do you weigh? Guesstimate bf%

If you're not a complete fata$$ I'd recommend

Weeks 1-5 Tbol 60mg
Weeks 1-10 500mg test
Weeks 1-10 600mg eq
Weeks 1-10 Tren e 400mg
Weeks 8-12 Winstrol 100mg

Lean mass, minimal water retention cycle right there.

Dbol and decca are for fat people who like strength more than abs ;)
 
dude these "muscle" gains you get now arent gonna stick around for you. 2 years training in 40 years makes for a weak foundation. better late than never but why the urge all of the sudden to get huge? should have though about this years ago. goof luck
 
ambulldog said:
dude these "muscle" gains you get now arent gonna stick around for you. 2 years training in 40 years makes for a weak foundation. better late than never but why the urge all of the sudden to get huge? should have though about this years ago. goof luck
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I gotta go with this as well. Even if you get 30lbs from the cycle, odds are 1/3 will be water, 1/3 fat and after pct and cutting back down you'll end up only keeping 5-10lbs regardless. It takes a lot longer than 2 years to really get things down, and it takes a long time to add mass that stays.
 
EasyEJL said:
I gotta go with this as well. Even if you get 30lbs from the cycle, odds are 1/3 will be water, 1/3 fat and after pct and cutting back down you'll end up only keeping 5-10lbs regardless. It takes a lot longer than 2 years to really get things down, and it takes a long time to add mass that stays.
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You need FOUNDATION WORK. If not there will ZERO quality to your muscle....zero.

It will a very fake, bloofy , watery spongy look......you need more time to annihilate heavy free weight and stringent nutrition for at least 3-5 years.....but maybe your a genetic freak and gained a massive amount in the first 2 years and already "looked" like a bodybuilder at that point....

-Matt
 
I agree, I trained 18 years natty before touching anything, I'm turning 41 this month.

Anyway, good luck. I wouldn't worry about scaling the dose up & down.
Just stick with 750 test all the way through, maybe 300 deca all the way through, run hcg for complete cycle to keep balls plump, add caber/dostinex or bromo for deca sides, get an AI even proviron for test sides & plan a good pct

That's my view
 
nekidchickens said:
I have been through one cycle already (test eth only, 13 weeks). My body reacted pretty well to it, and since I was "Playing it safe" the first cycle, I am looking to get into a better, hopefully more effective cycle in my second one.

I am 40 Years old, have been training for 2 years consistently. I am just looking to gain as much muscle mass as I can.

I was thinking of what seems to be a very simple and common cycle.

Weeks 1-4
Dbol- 30 ml/day (on workout days, 10 in off days)
Test Eth- 500 mg/week
Deca- 200 mg/week

Weeks 5-13
Test Eth- 750 mg/week
Deca- 300 mg/week

Week 14-15
Test Eth- 500 mg/week
Deca- 200 mg/week

Week 16
Test Eth 250 mg



PCT
Week 18-20 Nolvadex 20 mg/day

I will also have Nolva on hand "just in case". There is no "just in case" estorgen/gyno control iswith an AI somthign that lower estrogen liek letro for eg. nolvadex WONT lower estrogen.

Is this a pretty good skeleton for a cycle?

I have a while to get it sorted out, any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
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Im in red above
the rest looks GREAT! and nicly planned.
 
7ten11 said:
I agree, I trained 18 years natty before touching anything, I'm turning 41 this month.

Anyway, good luck. I wouldn't worry about scaling the dose up & down.
Just stick with 750 test all the way through, maybe 300 deca all the way through, run hcg for complete cycle to keep balls plump, add caber/dostinex or bromo for deca sides, get an AI even proviron for test sides & plan a good pct

That's my view
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I agree with that .
i woudl run the HCg onyl the last 5 weeks of cycle thouygh. just my op though
 
EasyEJL said:
I gotta go with this as well. Even if you get 30lbs from the cycle, odds are 1/3 will be water, 1/3 fat and after pct and cutting back down you'll end up only keeping 5-10lbs regardless. It takes a lot longer than 2 years to really get things down, and it takes a long time to add mass that stays.
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You are of course, both right. It is late in the game for me to be pushing for major gains, but the desire only recently came to me. Now it is a matter of getting a solid base in the gym and, to be honest, knowing that it is harder for someone my age to MAKE gains because of lowered hormonal levels at my age.

I know that it take a lot longer than 2 years, but at 40, I don't have 10 years to GET it down. I am just doing what I can, and VERY thankful for all the help.

Peace
 
nekidchickens said:
You are of course, both right. It is late in the game for me to be pushing for major gains, but the desire only recently came to me. Now it is a matter of getting a solid base in the gym and, to be honest, knowing that it is harder for someone my age to MAKE gains because of lowered hormonal levels at my age.

I know that it take a lot longer than 2 years, but at 40, I don't have 10 years to GET it down. I am just doing what I can, and VERY thankful for all the help.

Peace
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well, moreso the point is though that you can make extra mistakes, suppress your HTPA further sooner where at your age its harder to recover, or you can spend more time just looking at 5-6lbs a year of natural gains that you actually keep all of, and in another couple years do a cycle with much better knowledge, and retain more of it.
 
nekidchickens said:
You are of course, both right. It is late in the game for me to be pushing for major gains, but the desire only recently came to me. Now it is a matter of getting a solid base in the gym and, to be honest, knowing that it is harder for someone my age to MAKE gains because of lowered hormonal levels at my age.

I know that it take a lot longer than 2 years, but at 40, I don't have 10 years to GET it down. I am just doing what I can, and VERY thankful for all the help.

Peace
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dude just do 500mg of test, 12, 14,18 wks, whatever. just use hcg while on.


I see/understand where your at. I know you wana get bigger but your already getting to be a little too "old" to run this kind of sh!t. test would do you good, esp at your age.
 
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