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Want to run PMAG but scared of methyls... Help

romapwr88

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I have always been against running methyls however due to not being able to find any worthwhile non methyls lately and not having a source for real gear the only option I have is methyls. Want to run PMAG at 50/75/75/75/75 and maybe another week at 75, I don't know yet. This will be my second cycle, first was bold200 with great results (kept 14lbs i think). How much of a risk does Pmag pose? And what can I do to run it as safe as possible? I have been taking Live Care for a while just because. I will run cycle assist through out. What else would help protect the liver? Thanks
 
Pmag is a very low side great PH bro I would for sure go 6 weeks total cause 4 th week is really when it starts to shine . Also 50 good to start then 75 second week honestly last two weeks I would go 100 AT LEAST maybe 125 on week 6 :) with a good pct you will keep damn near everything you get from it get a serm and some daa and good to go
 
Have serms on hand, clomid and nolva. Have ai on hand too from last cycle. I am overly cautious as you can see. I am just paranoid about liver damage with 17a methyls. Even if likeliness of liver damage is low, I want to run it as safe as possible. What should I take for liver? Liver care, milk thistle, udca, tudca, essentiale forte, liver juice? Which do you think is best?
 
I'm sure if you research a bit deeper you can find a couple legit sources for real gear. I didn't take me long cause I was just curious about it. Your favorite uncle will be a good place to look. ;)
 
romapwr88 said:
I have always been against running methyls however due to not being able to find any worthwhile non methyls lately and not having a source for real gear the only option I have is methyls. Want to run PMAG at 50/75/75/75/75 and maybe another week at 75, I don't know yet. This will be my second cycle, first was bold200 with great results (kept 14lbs i think). How much of a risk does Pmag pose? And what can I do to run it as safe as possible? I have been taking Live Care for a while just because. I will run cycle assist through out. What else would help protect the liver? Thanks
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Don't be a girl.
 
bombers said:
I'm sure if you research a bit deeper you can find a couple legit sources for real gear. I didn't take me long cause I was just curious about it. Your favorite uncle will be a good place to look. ;)
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Legit yes. However I haven't been able to find non chinese counterfeit, under dosed impure crap.

ReyMan said:
Don't be a girl.
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Yea I know I sound like a bish, but I'd rather that than fcuk my liver up naamsayin?
 
You can run an OTC PCT with P-Mag or H-Drol just fine. The Driven Sports combo of Activate Xtreme and Triazole is a great OTC option, both products have proven bloodwork to do just what they say. Many oral users have gone that route and had great PCTs. Your body won't recover as fast as it would have as with a SERM, but thats not too terrible. Keep the diet up to par and you can keep a good amount of the gains.
 
IMO, you don't need anything more for your liver if you're going to be using Cycle Assist.
 
whats wrong with these non methyl product:

11-sterone
furaza-a
stanodrol
pstanz
1-androsterone
4-ad
decavol
delta-2
trenazone
11-spray
????

you gotta pay to play brother, one way or the other, you just have to decide what you currency is going to be, $$$$, or something else....
 
Jbry didn't even toss out the best all out gainer of non-methyls - M-LMG. It likely does have a little more hepatotoxicity in comparison to the products mentioned above, though.
 
romapwr88 said:
Legit yes. However I haven't been able to find non chinese counterfeit, under dosed impure crap.

Yea I know I sound like a bish, but I'd rather that than fcuk my liver up naamsayin?
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S'aiiiight. The harshness of methylated is exaggerated.

I DON'T recommend this but I did 3 weeks of superdrol at 20mg without any cycle support. I felt fine until the last two days of my cycle(my kidneys hurt a little bit, almost like i worked my abs too hard the previous day). My lipid panels were messed up but within 2 months everything was fine.

With hdrol you could get by with just the hdrol and a serm which is probably the cheapest way. Buying natty test boosters will be more expensive and won't work as well.
 
jbryand101b said:
whats wrong with these non methyl product:

11-sterone
furaza-a
stanodrol
pstanz
1-androsterone
4-ad
decavol
delta-2
trenazone
11-spray
????

you gotta pay to play brother, one way or the other, you just have to decide what you currency is going to be, $$$$, or something else....
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Haven't looked at all of them, but most are not worthwhile. Best research I could find was tuned sports and most of those you'd gain under 5 lbs at best. Also many are those are straight up DHT derivatives. Would rather not accelerate hairloss since my hair has receded a little lately.

stxnas said:
Jbry didn't even toss out the best all out gainer of non-methyls - M-LMG. It likely does have a little more hepatotoxicity in comparison to the products mentioned above, though.
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Was actually going to run this (check my thread on lmg) however most users that have reported running it said they didn't gain much or lost post of it post cycle. LMG is know to be super wet, and progestin gyno issues have been reported.

darsh89 said:
get some tudca/udca if ur really that worried about it
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Ok will def. look into that. Taking too much liver support supps couldn't be detrimental right? Like lets say I use cycle assist, udca and liver care (since I have some already)
 
jbryand101b said:
whats wrong with these non methyl product:

11-sterone
furaza-a
stanodrol
pstanz
1-androsterone
4-ad
decavol
delta-2
trenazone
11-spray
????

you gotta pay to play brother, one way or the other, you just have to decide what you currency is going to be, $$$$, or something else....
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The only one worthwhile of those that i would take would be the Trenazone.
 
stxnas said:
Jbry didn't even toss out the best all out gainer of non-methyls - M-LMG. It likely does have a little more hepatotoxicity in comparison to the products mentioned above, though.
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That's cause it's 13b ethylated,
 
Back in the day I did 5 weeks of SD up to 36mg in week 4. 12mg oxodrol per pill. Harsh times. Liver values were ok around a month after cycle. That was near 6 years back. Whilst on it the only side I can really recall was lethargy. Oh and my balls were shut down.

Thats not to say my recovery genrally from that course wasn't hard, just my liver happened to iron through it.

Don't try this at home kids.
 
romapwr88 said:
Have serms on hand, clomid and nolva. Have ai on hand too from last cycle. I am overly cautious as you can see. I am just paranoid about liver damage with 17a methyls. Even if likeliness of liver damage is low, I want to run it as safe as possible. What should I take for liver? Liver care, milk thistle, udca, tudca, essentiale forte, liver juice? Which do you think is best?
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Have any of the andro series products caught your eye?
 
jbryand101b said:
whats wrong with these non methyl product:

11-sterone
furaza-a
stanodrol
pstanz
1-androsterone
4-ad
decavol
delta-2
trenazone
11-spray
????

you gotta pay to play brother, one way or the other, you just have to decide what you currency is going to be, $$$$, or something else....
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Exactly. It's a double edged sword. A bit less toxicity/gains for more money, or higher toxicity/gains for less money. You gotta pay one way or the other. When used properly though, the compounds listed can really increase gains.
 
vidapreta said:
Maybe i've just grown accustomed to the much stronger compounds and 11 sterone and pstanz, they just don't do it for me anymore.
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thats because you aren't dosing it high enough.

11-spray is what 11-sterone converts to (11-keto testosterone) and it's a great product to add in a cycle. dosing on transdermals are limited, so it's best to stack with something else, like 11-sterone/11-spray stack.

but any of those compounds, esp the ones that dont require conversion, can be dosed as high as needed, they are active, non methylated steroids, you just have to dose high to get efficiant oral effects.

thats where the trade for helath vs cost comes in.

I can tell you, there are people paying high dollar for a two step dhea pro hormones, when you could spend the same amount, or less, and get a very, very effective cycle from a compound such as furaza a.

and delta 2 is a prohormone to a non methylated version of phera plex. (desoxytestosterone)
 
jbryand101b said:
delta 2 is a prohormone to a non methylated version of phera plex. (desoxytestosterone)
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The limited feedback I've seen on delta 2 has shown some promise as a bulking product.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
The limited feedback I've seen on delta 2 has shown some promise as a bulking product.
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the injection data on it, shows it to be a powerful compound, what this means for those taking it via oral administration, is they'll need a higher dosage.

again, gotta pay to play.
 
jbryand101b said:
the injection data on it, shows it to be a powerful compound, what this means for those taking it via oral administration, is they'll need a higher dosage.

again, gotta pay to play.
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I remember reading a log of some dudes at another forum taking it via standard oral dose as per company instructions. He was getting some really good mass gains out of it, so who knows.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
I remember reading a log of some dudes at another forum taking it via standard oral dose as per company instructions. He was getting some really good mass gains out of it, so who knows.
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hhhmmm
 
jbryand101b said:
whats wrong with these non methyl product:

11-sterone
furaza-a
stanodrol
pstanz
1-androsterone
4-ad
decavol
delta-2
trenazone
11-spray
????

you gotta pay to play brother, one way or the other, you just have to decide what you currency is going to be, $$$$, or something else....
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Which one of these is not DHT and would yield highest gains?
 
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