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Volcom's Anabeta, Adamantium, Division I, Titanium XL, Erase Log

Rodja said:
Cung Le v Vitor at UFC 139.
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That has an interesting ring to based on name recognition, but short of some severe anomoly, I don't see Vitor losing this. For sure Cung Le will keep it standing. I've never seen a fighter look so awkward as Cung Le on the ground attempting some form of GnP, the few times he's taken it there. Cung has that interestig spin kick, but I think Vitor's going to overwhelm him. I'm interested to see this fight though.
 
JudgementDay said:
ha I doubt he will ever be in the UFC again if he does something like that.
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After that, I don't see any respectable MMA organization wanting him as an employee. Not to mention Nick has a pretty big ego and holds his own clout in the MMA world pretty stinking high, so I don't see Nick even giving into signing to a smaller org. If he blows this, he'll probably make a real attempt at boxing, but I don't see that going too well. Nick's a good boxer for MMA standards and I don't even know how legit that is. People nut themselves because Nick actually works body shots, but that's standard boxing and I don't know if that really makes Nick a "good" boxer. His head movement and footwork is nothing extraordinary, he gets tagged like crazy all the time and that's not going to slide in strict boxing.

I'm curious to see how Nate vs Gomi will be. Nate will get his stand up opponent he always wants. On that note, the 2nd or 3rd time I ever saw Nick fight was against Gomi in Pride and I was blown away how that fight ended up, because at that time, Gomi was still the man over there and I wasn't savvy to Nick's abilities at the time. I don't think I'd ever seen a worse case of gassing then Nick vs Takanori Gomi, it was like a Rocky movie scene the way that fight ended.
 
VolcomX311 said:
That has an interesting ring to based on name recognition, but short of some severe anomoly, I don't see Vitor losing this. For sure Cung Le will keep it standing. I've never seen a fighter look so awkward as Cung Le on the ground attempting some form of GnP, the few times he's taken it there. Cung has that interestig spin kick, but I think Vitor's going to overwhelm him. I'm interested to see this fight though.
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It'll be some fireworks, though. Le is an interesting striker almost in the Machida mode from a uniqueness standpoint. That being said, Vitor has thunder in his hands and it only takes 1 glancing punch from him to end the night.
 
Rodja said:
It'll be some fireworks, though. Le is an interesting striker almost in the Machida mode from a uniqueness standpoint. That being said, Vitor has thunder in his hands and it only takes 1 glancing punch from him to end the night.
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As a fan, I'm interested in any big name SF/UFC cross-over matches. I Agree Cung is very Machida'esque in style uniquenss, I was going to bring that up before you mentioned it.
 
Melendez is the one I'm wanting to see most. Hell, a lot of the LW's would be awesome to see in the UFC (Thomson, Melendez, JZ, Blanco, Masvidal).
 
Revelational Oly Training today.

I'm confident what I tried today exists already, but without having seen it or having it recommded from any outside source, I experimented wth a new-to-me idea I thought of on the way to the gym.

I do my Oly lifts at an L.A. Fitness without Oly weights, so I can't allow myself to be in too compromsing of a position that would cause me to drop the weight from an overhead position (such as in the Snatch), so I never get a chance to develop a downward explosion, to develop the core strength & stability or shoulder flexibility/strength & stability required to drop into an overhead press position at a low squat, so I gave this new-to-me idea a try today.

Box Hang Snatch
*the movement initially felt odd, this whole exericse was a feeling out process, but the ability to explode downward felt awesome. My upward triple extension is respectable, but my downward explosion is weak, due to in inability to practice it*

95lbs x 5 reps
115lbs x 3 reps
115lbs x 3 reps
115lbs x 3 reps
95lbs x 3 reps

*This was much more exhausting the a traditional hang snatch, because of the added squat, it's extremely draining, but I think I'l benefit from it once I get conditioned to it and once my shoulders make the necessary strength & stability adaptations in that dropped position*

Box Hang Cleans
145lbs x 5 reps
155lbs x 3 reps
155lbs x 4 reps
155lbs x 2 reps

*The added squat takes off an average of 2 reps per set for me. I can clean into a full squat, but again, I'm reluctant to use weight that may trap me in a front squat causing me to dump the weight, so I thought I'd use the same technique to build the necessary adaptations to catch the weight nice & low*

Seated Db Press
40lbs Db's x 10 reps
50lbs Db's x 10 reps
55lbs Db's x 8 reps
60lbs Db's x 6 reps
60lbs DB's x 6 reps

Seated Military Press
135lbs x 8 reps
135lbs x 8 reps
155lbs x 6 reps
155lbs x 6 reps

I wanted to hit one more shoulder exercise, but the Oly lifts burned me out. Strong workout and I'm glad to try out how these Box Oly's workout for me.
 
I'm watching the men's U.S. Open and Rafael Nadal's playing arm is like Phil Heath status and his off arm is a twig.
 
Just watched it, wow. Daniel Cormier.... wow. You couldn't have told me that the man who beat down Fedor would be brought down a notch by a second string opponent.
 
Had me an unscheduled Sunday workout today. This was suppose to be my off day, but I had a big, big lunch and when I was sitting around the house with all that food bloating my stomach, I had to go to the gym, I felt like such a sloth. Sunday workouts are strange. Number one, it's cool because it's a ghost town and all the equipment are available, but number two, it's a ghost town and the energy level can put a meth head to sleep. It did end up being a great workout to my unscheduled surprise.

For some odd reason, I felt the most alpha today, which doesn't usually happen to me unless there are people around. It's hard to feel in a one man pack right? At least for me. Usually that alpha feeling comes when I lift in a group and I'm killing the deadlifts or some oly lift, but today, I was a solo alpha, being aggressive as hell with my lifts and it felt great. I think the increased test also requires some personal filters in attitude, as I found myself over reacting at my wife this morning over something. I don't get loud when I get upset, I get introverted and more silently contemplative, so no harm was done, except for the yelling match in my own head, which I usually filter out before anything damaging ever comes out my mouth.

Anyway, unscheduled and surprisingly effective back day.

Hammer High Rows
225lbs x 12 reps
245lbs x 10 reps
265lbs x 8 reps
265lbs x 6 reps

*I was pulling this thing like an angry bull, but keeping my form tight. Ever since I watched the video of Dorian Yates training Evan Centapani on this very machine in "The Dungeon Gym," and how strict Dorian pulls this, I've been keeping my form on this extra strict; back tight, chest up & out and up against the pad, no swinging*

Dorian Barbell Rows
225lbs x 10 reps
245lbs x 8 reps
265lbs x 6 reps
265lbs x 6 reps

One Arm Db Rows
100lbs Db's x 10 reps. each arm
115lbs Db's x 8 reps, each arm
125lbs Db's x 8 reps, each arm
125lbs Db's x 6 reps, each arm

Machine Low Rows
225lbs x 8 reps
245lbs x 8 reps
260lbs x 6 reps
260lbs x 6 reps
260lbs x 5 reps

*The last set of these I performed because I was too tired to get off the machine*

"Free Motion Lat" Cable Station
*The ROM on these basically mimics a very wide, parallel grip lat pull down, with a lot more retraction then a normal lat pull down. I've never used this thing before, but I wanted to get some form of a verticial resistance in my back workout*

120lbs x 8 reps
120lbs x 8 reps
130lbs x 8 reps
140lbs x 6 reps
140lbs x 6 reps

Today's workot felt necessary for my psyche, but it'll more likely have some detrimental effect on the following weeks workout. My energy levels seem to be a lot more limited these days, but I'm always glad I worked out, particulalry when they're satisfying workouts.

Also, anybody else watch Strikeforce this weekend? After Alistair dropped out, BigFoot was the shoe-in to win the HW tournament and now this! Josh Barnett was a give for me. He just had more ways to win and he's too hefty of a man to keep at bay forever. Once that TD landed, I knew it was just a matter of time.

Speaking of Josh Barnett. I've posted this video before, but my friend who trains out of Millenia gym out here in Rancho, CA, put on a local BJJ tournament at a local high school and guess who shows up to this local high school BJJ tournie? Josh Barnett. Who rolled with my friend who wad 185lbs at the time for the championship while Josh was 265lbs, it's open weight so it is what it is, but Josh Barnett! Josh won $500.00 and a custom championship belt they made for this tournie.

 
I cant stand that Gracie. He looks so awkward and weak. Looks like he seriously lacks fighter instinct and is there due to his family.

I also cant stand Big Foot silva. The guy always get Knocked around it seems like and wins and loses. He just looks like a retard and I hate when he cant finish a fight and loses. So glad he lost.

Josh Barnett winning....blah hes so fat without his Masteron haha
 
Roger Gracie is in a major MMA organization because he's arguably the best grappler to ever live. The dude won 7 consecutive BJJ world championships in his weight class and 4 open weight championships.
 
Rodja said:
Cung Le v Vitor at UFC 139.
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This has the making of a fun fight to watch.

I know Josh Barnett personaly and have followed his career since his Super Brawl days. As a person and a competitor I think he's badass and Catch wrestling is dope.
 
Rodja said:
Roger Gracie is in a major MMA organization because he's arguably the best grappler to ever live. The dude won 7 consecutive BJJ world championships in his weight class and 4 open weight championships.
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Thats pretty awesome, I hate how fast they set him back by facing him against a wrestler and a brawler striker. Bad combo for him. He has a lot to work on in striking.

I wish they would fine tune these guys striking earlier on

I cant be a Josh Barnett fan, I flat out dislike him but he put on a great performance here making his opponent fight his game. Josh will be sucessful that way. I really hope he doesnt win this touney.
 
Rodja said:
Roger Gracie is in a major MMA organization because he's arguably the best grappler to ever live. The dude won 7 consecutive BJJ world championships in his weight class and 4 open weight championships.
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Back in the day, that level of BJJ would have crushed, a la Royce Gracie, but a strong wrestler seems to be a strong BJJ'ist's bane at this current point of the game. The pendulum may swing back the other way, who knows. Didn't Leos Santos have a crack at MMA as well? Or does he still? I believe Leos Santos is a BJJ beast as well that didn't fair well in MMA. I don't follow Roger Gracie too closely, so I can't speak on him specifically, but without having know anything about Mo or Roger, based on their styles, I would have favored Mo in this day & age.
 
rulk22 said:
This has the making of a fun fight to watch.

I know Josh Barnett personaly and have followed his career since his Super Brawl days. As a person and a competitor I think he's badass and Catch wrestling is dope.
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I wasn't physically there at the time Josh came to the tournament, but from what I heard, he was a pretty cool and approachable dude.
 
bigwhiteguy29 said:
I cant stand that Gracie. He looks so awkward and weak. Looks like he seriously lacks fighter instinct and is there due to his family.

I also cant stand Big Foot silva. The guy always get Knocked around it seems like and wins and loses. He just looks like a retard and I hate when he cant finish a fight and loses. So glad he lost.

Josh Barnett winning....blah hes so fat without his Masteron haha
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I was just shocked that this was the guy who almost sent Fedor packing. His striking & timing looked so crisp against Fedor and he worked the hell out of his ground. I was shocked at the entirety of the situation and that shock is augmented by the fact Cormier was a second stringer to boot.
 
VolcomX311 said:
I was just shocked that this was the guy who almost sent Fedor packing. His striking & timing looked so crisp against Fedor and he worked the hell out of his ground. I was shocked at the entirety of the situation and that shock is augmented by the fact Cormier was a second stringer to boot.
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I thought it was pretty funny. I am now rooting for Cormier. Weird sh!t happens in Strikeforce. These guys go balls to the wall most of the time.
 
bigwhiteguy29 said:
I thought it was pretty funny. I am now rooting for Cormier. Weird sh!t happens in Strikeforce. These guys go balls to the wall most of the time.
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I liked his homies in the stand going buck wild when he won. I really, really don't see him getting past someone like Barnett, but I would have been equally confident in saying that about Silva prior to last night. Does Cormier really carry that much fire in his punch? Or does Silva just have a weak chin? I mean, they said Cormier comes from a pretty mean wrestling pedigree, so he could sprawl & brawl, who knows. I love rooting for unexpecting underdogs, so war Cormier.
 
VolcomX311 said:
I liked his homies in the stand going buck wild when he won. I really, really don't see him getting past someone like Barnett, but I would have been equally confident in saying that about Silva prior to last night. Does Cormier really carry that much fire in his punch? Or does Silva just have a weak chin? I mean, they said Cormier comes from a pretty mean wrestling pedigree, so he could sprawl & brawl, who knows. I love rooting for unexpecting underdogs, so war Cormier.
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I am not sure about his power, but I feel big foot gets caught very often. Just his looks alone piss me off haha. I think hes in big trouble against Josh. Strikeforce HW division is crazy!
 
bigwhiteguy29 said:
I am not sure about his power, but I feel big foot gets caught very often. Just his looks alone piss me off haha. I think hes in big trouble against Josh. Strikeforce HW division is crazy!
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Once SF gets absorbed into The UFC, the HW division and the LW division will be ridiculous.
 
When I started my stack, I was 190lbs dry as jerky, 193-194lbs on average and 195lbs on the heavier side. I've been on Anabeta, Erase and Adamantium about a month now and I'm approaching two weeks with the addition of Divisiom I and Titanium XL. Currently, I'm 206lbs, probably 3 parts water, 1 part fat and air pockets of new muscle here & there. This stack has increased my appetitie ferociously. I didn't intend to go into this stack on a full out bulk, but I was inadvertently steered in that direction by my seemingly instatiable appetite. For that reason, I'm putting on some weight and I'm an easy *fat*gainer, so I have to be careful. I could probably sabotage 6 months of cutting in 8 weeks.


On a related note. I feel like I'm going to have a strong chest workout tonight. I haven't felt like I was going to have a strong anything in awhile, so I'm looking forward to later.
 
Odd workout today. The order of my opening exercises weren't ideal, but ish was locked down and I didn't want to stand around and wait.

Hammer Incline Press
180lbs x 15 reps
270lbs x 10 reps
360lbs x 8 reps
380lbs x 6 reps
380lbs x 5 reps
360lbs x 6 reps
270lbs x 6 reps
230bs x 8 reps

Incline Bench
185lbs x 8 reps
205lbs x 8 reps
225lbs x 6 reps
225lbs x 5 reps

Guillotine Press
185lbs x 10 reps
205lbs x 8 reps
205lbs x 6 reps

Hammer Dips
180lbs x 10 reps
180lbs x 10 reps
180lbs x 10 reps

Treadmill HIIT 10 min.

My cardio-shape is rather poor at the moment. I skipped two weeks of cardio and I'm back to step 1, but it'll come back if I remain consistent. My workout buddy Dusty, plays football and he wants to start doing some speed & agility based HIIT on a field, so I really need to up my cardio if I plan on not having a concurrent stroke & heart attack on the field.

Strength is certainly up. The Guillotine press was the most prevalent, but it could have a lot to do with simply becoming more physiologically familiar with the lift. Incline Bench felt stronger as well.
 
VolcomX311 said:
Odd workout today. The order of my opening exercises weren't ideal, but ish was locked down and I didn't want to stand around and wait.

Hammer Incline Press
180lbs x 15 reps
270lbs x 10 reps
360lbs x 8 reps
380lbs x 6 reps
380lbs x 5 reps
360lbs x 6 reps
270lbs x 6 reps
230bs x 8 reps

Incline Bench
185lbs x 8 reps
205lbs x 8 reps
225lbs x 6 reps
225lbs x 5 reps

Guillotine Press
185lbs x 10 reps
205lbs x 8 reps
205lbs x 6 reps

Hammer Dips
180lbs x 10 reps
180lbs x 10 reps
180lbs x 10 reps

Treadmill HIIT 10 min.

My cardio-shape is rather poor at the moment. I skipped two weeks of cardio and I'm back to step 1, but it'll come back if I remain consistent. My workout buddy Dusty, plays football and he wants to start doing some speed & agility based HIIT on a field, so I really need to up my cardio if I plan on not having a concurrent stroke & heart attack on the field.

Strength is certainly up. The Guillotine press was the most prevalent, but it could have a lot to do with simply becoming more physiologically familiar with the lift. Incline Bench felt stronger as well.
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Mean chest day!
Guillotine press~ is that like bench press to the neck?

I need to get my cardio in too... sprints or something... haven't done ANY cardio in a long time... ever since only working out at home.. I miss the stairs haha.

Mean lifts!
 
mattrag said:
Mean chest day!
Guillotine press~ is that like bench press to the neck?

I need to get my cardio in too... sprints or something... haven't done ANY cardio in a long time... ever since only working out at home.. I miss the stairs haha.

Mean lifts!
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Thanks. Yeah, guillotine presses are the ones where you bring the bar to your clavicle/throat, I touch just below the clavicle. I just started doing them for the sake of a foreign stimulation, relative to the traditional flat. I like the stretch at the bottom of the lift, almost like a deep fly.

I'm trying to get back into some cardio shape too!
 
Oh hellz to the yes! The ish has finally hit the fan and really kicked in hard. Of all the exercises to have a sudden jump in performance, which caught me off guard completely, my Hang Snatch! Db presses are moving up in weight and reps and I'm finally feeling strong again.

Box, Hang Snatch
95lbs x 5 reps
115lbs x 3 reps
135lbs x 3 reps! *I haven't been able to hit these for even a single since early June! The last time I attempted the 135's on the hang snatch I hit two fails and haven't even felt good enough to go above 115lbs in awhile*
140lbs x 2 reps
140lbs x 1 rep

Box, Hang Cleans
135lbs x 5 reps
155lbs x 3 reps
185lbs x 3 reps
185lbs x fail
185lbs x 2 reps

*Box, Hang Cleans were down, but I suspect that it could be due to the higher threshold of intensity I reached on the Box, Hang Snatch just previous*

Seated Db Press
45lbs Db's x 10 reps
50lbs Db's x 10 reps
55lbs Db's x 8 reps
60lbs DB's x 6 reps
60lbs DB's x 6 reps

One Arm, Poster Delt Db Rows
80lbs Db's x 10 reps
85lbs Db's x 10 reps
90lbs Db's x 8 reps
95lbs Db's x 8 reps

Bent Over (vertical side of a preacher) Db reverse flies
20lbs Db's x 10 reps
25lbs Db's x 8 reps
30lbs Db's x 6 reps

Face Pulls
100lbs x 10 reps
120lbs x 8 reps
140lbs x 8 reps
150lbs x 6 reps

Extremely satisfying workout today, primairly due to my ability to hit the big 45lbs plates on the hang snatch again. Prior to this, I wasn't even able t hit 135lbs on the Snatch off the ground, let along hang, so this was a good day. Something good is happening in this stack and I'm really looking forward to how things continue to progress.
 
That's a sick snatch. I barely can do 65lbs. And that's with crap form. So i stopped doing um lol.

Looks like your programming is working. :)

What are the poterier chain 1arm db rows?
 
mattrag said:
That's a sick snatch. I barely can do 65lbs. And that's with crap form. So i stopped doing um lol.

Looks like your programming is working. :)

What are the poterier chain 1arm db rows?
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It's like a traditional one arm Db row, except you're holding the Db in a overhand grip, instead of a neutral grip (palms facing your body) and instead of pulling the Db up and back, keeping close to your ribs, you're pulling the Db outward & back and kind of high, near your head, very similar to a face pull in terms of ROM, but the body is in a different angle.
 
VolcomX311 said:
It's like a traditional one arm Db row, except you're holding the Db in a overhand grip, instead of a neutral grip (palms facing your body) and instead of pulling the Db up and back, keeping close to your ribs, you're pulling the Db outward & back and kind of high, near your head, very similar to a face pull in terms of ROM, but the body is in a different angle.
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bro, why you gotta freak me out and change your pic haha
 
VolcomX311 said:
It's like a traditional one arm Db row, except you're holding the Db in a overhand grip, instead of a neutral grip (palms facing your body) and instead of pulling the Db up and back, keeping close to your ribs, you're pulling the Db outward & back and kind of high, near your head, very similar to a face pull in terms of ROM, but the body is in a different angle.
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Ah thanks!! I think I'll give that on a try!
 
VolcomX311 said:
You'll be able to pull a lot more then you think, because the upper back/middle traps do get involved in the lift. Let me know how it goes.
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Will do man!! Thanks!!
 
VolcomX311 said:
Lol, it's the Fall avi. Who do you have, Rampage or Jones? I think the bulk of the MMA universe is going with Jones, as am I, but I'm rooting for Rampage.
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I agree exactly. I want Page to bring back the power and actually get to hit someone. Jones will take this, he follows a game plan better, page doesnt.
 
bigwhiteguy29 said:
I agree exactly. I want Page to bring back the power and actually get to hit someone. Jones will take this, he follows a game plan better, page doesnt.
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There are a few fighters I like enough where a win makes me jump out my chair screaming and a loss puts me in a slump, BJ Penn, Ben Henderson, Brock and Rampage. The greatest Rampage victory for me was Rampage vs. Chuck Lidell II, because Chuck was still such a dominant champ at the time. If Rampage defeats JBJ, I think the JBJ victory will eclipse the Lidell victory for me. JBJ is still a green, green champ in comparison to Lidell's reign at the time, but JBJ seems to carry a greater sense of, "I'm an MMA beast" factor. Chuck was a good striker, but so was Rampage and Rampage does well against other strikers, so the odds were good. With JBJ, I can see him taking Rampage down and doing what he does with those tenticle arms of his.
 
VolcomX311 said:
There are a few fighters I like enough where a win makes me jump out my chair screaming and a loss puts me in a slump, BJ Penn, Ben Henderson, Brock and Rampage. The greatest Rampage victory for me was Rampage vs. Chuck Lidell II, because Chuck was still such a dominant champ at the time. If Rampage defeats JBJ, I think the JBJ victory will eclipse the Lidell victory for me. JBJ is still a green, green champ in comparison to Lidell's reign at the time, but JBJ seems to carry a greater sense of, "I'm an MMA beast" factor. Chuck was a good striker, but so was Rampage and Rampage does well against other strikers, so the odds were good. With JBJ, I can see him taking Rampage down and doing what he does with those tenticle arms of his.
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I'm a big BJ Penn and Ben Henderson fan, love watching them fight.
 
JudgementDay said:
I'm a big BJ Penn and Ben Henderson fan, love watching them fight.
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By round 2 of the Frankie Edgar/BJ Penn fight II, I walked out of the place I was watching it at. I knew for certain Frankie had BJ's number again and I couldn't sit through it, but that had more to do with my lack of respect for Frankie Edgar "at the time," (love the guy now), then it had to do with my Penn fanaticism, because I sat through the GSP/Penn II raping, but that trauamtized me for like 6 months, lol.
 
Posterior Chain Mania

After Rodja got me doing GHR's for my pathetic lumbar, I decided to really give my posterior chain some attention. I tried some posterior chain lifts that I've either never or have rarely done in the distant past today and I think I'll keep this regiment up. Some thorough building up of the posterior chain has been a missing ingredient in my past re-re-re-attempts at deadlifting and this gives me some reinvigorated hope.

Squats
185lbs x 10 reps
205lbs x 10 reps
225lbs x 6 reps
225lbs x 6 reps
*Big jump from last week, but I expected my performance to increase just out of form familiarity*

Front Squats
135lbs x 5 reps
185lbs x 5 reps
205lbs x 5 reps
205lbs x 5 reps

Overhead Squats
95lbs x 5 reps
100lbs x 5 reps
105lbs x 5 reps
110lbs x 3 reps
110lbs x 3 reps
*Fantastic, way up from last week, but that was 100% due to increased shoulder & core strength & stability than anything to do with my legs, which is all good, because core is the primarily reason I throw this one in there*

SLDL
*First time performing straight legs, so I kept it high to get some form down*
135lbs x 10 reps
135lbs x 10 reos
135lbs x 10 reps

Good Mornings
*Same deal, a first, so I kept light and tight*
45lbs x 10 reps
65lbs x 8 reps
95lbs x 6 reps

GHR's
BW x 10 reps x 5 sets

My hammies aren't flexible enough that I can touch the ground (yet) on the SLDL's without some severe bending of the knees, so I only went about 90% of the way down and back up. I still kept a slight bend at the knees, but just enough that you can still legitimatey call it a SLDL. There was another dude doing SLDL's with 3 plates, standing on quarters to create an even greater deficit, so I felt lame.
 
I'm becoming more and more emotionally unattached to fighters and just watching it for the sport. With Fedor, Wand, and Crocop all well past their respective primes, the fighters that drew me in are gone. Today, it seems like there's too many athletes and not enough fighters out there.
 
Rodja said:
I'm becoming more and more emotionally unattached to fighters and just watching it for the sport. With Fedor, Wand, and Crocop all well past their respective primes, the fighters that drew me in are gone. Today, it seems like there's too many athletes and not enough fighters out there.
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I hear what you're saying. The first fighter I was emotionally attached to was Mirco by a long shot. There are a few things more exhilerating then watching somene get KO'd by a high kick. One of my favorites was CC vs Aleks and then them showing Fedor sort of pacing in the back room in reaction to his brother catching Mirco's graveyard kick.

By athletes as oppose to fighters, do you mean guys who fight for a decision win Greg Jackson style, as oppose to guys who try to finish a fight?
 
VolcomX311 said:
I hear what you're saying. The first fighter I was emotionally attached to was Mirco by a long shot. There are a few things more exhilerating then watching somene get KO'd by a high kick. One of my favorites was CC vs Aleks and then them showing Fedor sort of pacing in the back room in reaction to his brother catching Mirco's graveyard kick.

By athletes as oppose to fighters, do you mean guys who fight for a decision win Greg Jackson style, as oppose to guys who try to finish a fight?
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Pretty much, but I don't just throw Jackson under that bus. It's slowly been going that way to keep records looking better and marketability. I know that not every fight is going to be finished, but the decision rate is climbing and it especially looks bad when you have 3 champs (Edgar,Cruz, and GSP) who have been mainly been winning by decision.
 
Rodja said:
Pretty much, but I don't just throw Jackson under that bus. It's slowly been going that way to keep records looking better and marketability. I know that not every fight is going to be finished, but the decision rate is climbing and it especially looks bad when you have 3 champs (Edgar,Cruz, and GSP) who have been mainly been winning by decision.
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I hear you. I'm torn on that philosophy, because my opinion may vary depending on the fighter. I'm not emotionally invested in GSP at all, so when he wrestles a guy for 5 rounds, I may get a bit annoyed, or someone like Fitch, but theoretically, if it were Brock laying on Cain or JDS for 5 rounds, I'd be very comfortable and happy with that win.

I sometimeso have a hard time discerning someone trying to finish, but just does not vs. someone who is really trying to make this pro boxing and win on points. Some fights are more obvious then others and sometimes, like GSP vs Kos, GSP certainly wasn't going in for the KO, but i enjoyed that jab mastery. GSP vs Shields was bad.... Certainly, in the past, there was a lot more guys fighting to finish the other guy, as oppose to fighting to get the W. Dana still favors finishers over winners, per se, or at least guys who fight with finishing intent, which is why I think Joe Daddy was kept around for so long.
 
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