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28 new to TRT would love feedback on protocol

getalpha

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Hey All,

Never done any steroids or cycles, I had an undescended testi as a baby (corrected) but its like 4 times smaller than the normal one.

My LH and FSH were normal ranges when I got tested, just not producing enough T, I came in at 9 nmol/l

When I was in the Navy I remember having ED issues and the Dr telling me I was in the lower side but within range so it was fine.... I didnt know enough about testosterone back then to push the issue.

I've always thought I had adult ADHD because my focus, mental fogginess and ability to concentrate were never there, and memory was shocking.

Anyhow.... I'm about 6 weeks into TRT now.

Tried gels.... not so good for me came in at 10 nmol/l on total T

My GP didnt test for Estrogen initially, she said she didnt think it was needed. and put me on Reandron (nebeido in the US)

I was not comfortable with her reply on estrogen, so I found one of the better anti-aging guys.

He immediately changed me over (the next day, but already had my first reandron shot) to Primoteston 250 every 14 days (Test enanthate).

I've also been taking D Aspartic Acid for the past 4 weeks (since I started the primoteston).

Here are my latest blood results.

could not post images so....

Total T: 29.8 nmol/l (11 - 40)

Again this is about 16 hours BEFORE I inject 250mg of test enanthate (every 14 days)

SHBG: 21 (10 - 70)

This seems quite low, which would be giving me High free T right? Could the DAA be doing this? I'm also taking Testorod, an OTC supp with Testofen in it.... I believe this increases Free T right?

Calculated FTE: 858 pmol/L (260 - 740)

Free test calculated.... when I do it on an online calculator it comes out at 2.89% (is this high?)

Oestradiol: 211 pmol/L (55 - 165)

DOH

This is the day before my next injection.

Now I dont know if Test E 250 every 14 days would give pre injection testosterone levels that high, or if its still remaining T from the Reandron shot only 4 weeks earlier.

What I can say is that this level feels very good for me..... except for E levels.

I was feeling great and then it just boom dived, I thought it was low T as it was getting close to next injection but It looks like it was E instead.

Okay so few questions for the pro's :D

Could it have been the DAA that brought the Estrogen up? My current guy said the Reandron can bring E levels up (though have not told him about DAA yet, didnt think it was an issue).

Is this every 14 days ideal? From what I read most like to do it weekly?

What will 125mg of test E weekly roughly give for blood levels?

I've got two boys now, and will have another later, my last questions are about HCG.... Will my testi's be damaged by being supressed for so long possibly irreversable?

I've read from Dr Chrisler's protocol, that his patients feel much better on HCG in addition, because it helps with other hormone production as well. Is this true?

Basically is it good for TRT?

Sorry if the questions sound noob, I'm new to this, done so much reading so far :) I feel I know more than most GP's already :P

Cheers
 
sorry and another question :)

I see some well known guys running 200mg per week through some popular clinics.

Then I see another group saying this is not TRT

Overall it has me confused about what is a good level to go for, is 200mg per week above what could be considered normal levels? Does it make a big difference to energy, mood, focus, drive?

What about additional potential damage or side effects longer term?
 
200mg a week puts most people way above normal human male ranges. that's more of a low end bodybuilding range for most. most doctors that are aiming for quality of life usually aim for high end of the normal range and stable levels.
 
look you said
Total T: 29.8 nmol/l (11 - 40)

Again this is about 16 hours BEFORE I inject 250mg of test enanthate (every 14 days)
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so you are at your target total test the day before injection. that means you spend the rest of the 2 weeks well above that. Although 250 every 2 weeks is a relatively normal TRT dose. I think you may want to try splitting it into weekly doses, that may help.
 
EasyEJL said:
look you said

so you are at your target total test the day before injection. that means you spend the rest of the 2 weeks well above that. Although 250 every 2 weeks is a relatively normal TRT dose. I think you may want to try splitting it into weekly doses, that may help.
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Agreed. that's basically 125mg a week. Which is just above the usual 100mg a week trt dose. But I think you would see far better results and feel much better if you did 125mg per week instead of 250mg every 2 weeks.
 
Okay thanks.

It comes in "ready inject" amps. Pull off the top plastic holder, put the needle on and inject.

How would I split this so that I could do it weekly instead?
 
hmm no way to do that with readyjects. pity. They are convenient though. Well, I guess its manipulating arimidex only then.
 
I guess it could be possible to inject them all into an empty (sterile) vial and then just draw from that.

Easier way would most likely be to get the vial in the first place :)

Did you have any experience with HCG?
 
sure on my original TRT plan I was using 250iu 2x a week. With once a week tetsosterone injections on day 1, HCG was done on day 5 + 7
 
well, before it was through an antiaging clinic, and the doses were ludicrously high. They'd prescribe whatever you want basically. Now i'm through my urologist, 150mg every week, no arimidex, no hcg. simpler.
 
Yeah I think thats what I'd like..... simple.

What are your levels for T and free T?

Does HCG really make that much of a difference?
 
Hcg will keep your testicles from shrinking and may make it easier to stay fertile on TRT. I was 40 and had 3 kids when I started so I didn't really care.
 
I think day before injection I'm around 700 for total t, and 12 for free. Day after injection is much higher.
 
And you feel great I assume?

EasyEJL thank you so much for all your advice and posting, its really helping me out.

I appreciate it.

When I first started TRT I did alot of research and you see these guys / "clinics" doing 200mg p/w, hcg and arimidex right off the bat and all raving about it.

It's hard to know what is TRT vs otherwise.

I'll be happy to just be high of the range with no E issues as I dont want to have to worry about monitoring too much.

That being said, I've got two kids now, may want more in the future.

Should I be doing HCG the whole time with TRT in this case?
 
I feel good, honestly not tons better than I felt before TRT though. Definitely better though.

hcg may help retain fertility, it certainly won't hurt. If you decide you do want more, there are a few different specific protocols that usually work to restore sperm production, or you may turn out to still be producing fine anyhow.
 
270s since my first blood test at 35. I felt ok though. Not great, but no ED or other issues. I was probably over 40% bodyfat. 5'9.5" and around 245-250
 
Right, I was barely functioning at this level towards the end.

Foggy head, shocking memory, waking up tired and more.

So the difference is huge for me in just a few weeks.

Tonight hough I feel wrecked, exhausted and snappy wondering if it could be the high estro
 
The only way to tell is test your Estradiol if your over 30 pg/ml best at 20 your not going to feel good on TRT the Estradiol will undo any good the Test. shots your doing.

Here is how I do my shots I use Test C and do 70 mgs every 3 days and I do 300 IU's of HCG the day before my Test C shot.

Doing this keep me more leveled and holds down my Estradiol levels I read about this at a forum saying Dr. Shippen was now doing this about 6 yrs ago. I feel dam good on this and I take Aromasin to keep my Estraidol levels down. I have been on TRT 30 yrs now and I found keep my E2 down I could have sex everyday and I am 67.
getalpha said:
Right, I was barely functioning at this level towards the end.

Foggy head, shocking memory, waking up tired and more.

So the difference is huge for me in just a few weeks.

Tonight hough I feel wrecked, exhausted and snappy wondering if it could be the high estro
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yeah its way over :) its already tested.

I came in at 211 (range up to 156) so I'm over big time. I think that is about 55 or 60 pg/ml equiv

So you've found that you can keep Estrogen in control without having to worry about it all the time?

Is Aromasin easier to work with than Arimidex?
 
Wow your very high yes I feel if I had it to do over again I would try Aromasin if you can get this take one pill every 3 days to start see if your get some Rem Sleep Wood back. Read this file I make about not going to low but it's for Arimidex sill you will get the idea.
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How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.

What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need .25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.



getalpha said:
yeah its way over :) its already tested.

I came in at 211 (range up to 156) so I'm over big time. I think that is about 55 or 60 pg/ml equiv

So you've found that you can keep Estrogen in control without having to worry about it all the time?

Is Aromasin easier to work with than Arimidex?
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