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Please help me with my PH cycle - Epistane

bigbiceps

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Guys,

I am an experienced lifter, about 5"10, never taken a steroid or PH before, weigh 193lbs (Im big for the weight as im smaller boned). I live in Australia where it is hard to get PCT stuff and prescriptions unless something has already gone wrong. I have some epistane (only half a bottle because a friend has the other half), a container of cycle support and a container of 6 oxo extreme. I was planning on doing a light cycle to help me get over a few plateaus and just give a general boost. Does what I am thinking sound reasonable?

-Take cycle support for 2 days before cycle (I have not been drinking much lately and would not drink at all on cycle) and during whole cycle til container finishes post cycle.

-1 Animal pak every day before, during,after cycle

-12000mg fish oil per day before, during, after cycle

Epistane:

Week 1: 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10.
Week 2: 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20. Then stop and take 6 oxo extreme

6 oxo extreme (Dose in tablets, 4 being reccommended dose on package)

Week 3: 4,4,4,4,4,3,3,
Week 4: 3,3,3,2,2,2,2
Week 5: 2,1,1,1,1,1

Then finished with it? What do you guys think? Im trying to be safe and do a lower dose short cycle seeing I cant get more PCT stuff.. or is there anything easily obtainable I should get that would make it ok? I still want to have kids one day!!

Thanks very much for any help guys
 
I'd personally hold off until you can get more epi, man. You won't get anything from that low dosed and short of a cycle.
 
MidwestBeast said:
I'd personally hold off until you can get more epi, man. You won't get anything from that low dosed and short of a cycle.
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Hi mate, thanks for advice, iv got 45 so could go much more, what u reckon? if i was to use them all it can look like this. That would leave me with 40mg left over, getting more isnt an option here, its hard to get and I got this quite a long time ago.

Week 1: 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10.
Week 2: 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20.
Week 3: 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30.
 
MidwestBeast said:
I'd personally hold off until you can get more epi, man. You won't get anything from that low dosed and short of a cycle.
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agreed with beast.

We have a limited supply of epi strong coming in pretty soon bro. You could try and snag a few of those and run a real nice proper epi cycle.

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bigbiceps said:
Hi mate, thanks for advice, iv got 45 so could go much more, what u reckon? if i was to use them all it can look like this. That would leave me with 40mg left over, getting more isnt an option here, its hard to get and I got this quite a long time ago.

Week 1: 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10.
Week 2: 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20.
Week 3: 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30.
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If you can't get more epi, I'd advise mugging your friend and stealing his portion of the bottle lol. All kidding aside, I wouldn't run epi for less than 4 weeks, and Ideally, I'd stretch it out to 6 if I weren't bridging into it or to another product. The strength gains are great, but they didn't kick in all that early for me.

Also, I started at 30 right off the bat and worked up to 60mg/day and I think you'll find 40-60mg/day to be the optimal amount. Again, that's just a baseline, though. You'll have to let your body's reactions judge for you.

At the end of the day, though, I wouldn't run this until you have more epi.
 
MidwestBeast said:
If you can't get more epi, I'd advise mugging your friend and stealing his portion of the bottle lol. All kidding aside, I wouldn't run epi for less than 4 weeks, and Ideally, I'd stretch it out to 6 if I weren't bridging into it or to another product. The strength gains are great, but they didn't kick in all that early for me.

Also, I started at 30 right off the bat and worked up to 60mg/day and I think you'll find 40-60mg/day to be the optimal amount. Again, that's just a baseline, though. You'll have to let your body's reactions judge for you.

At the end of the day, though, I wouldn't run this until you have more epi.
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Thanks for the advice mate!! Getting more isnt really an option so I will just take what I have in terms of the epistane. My mate already took his and got some good gains! Is my PCT that I am proposing safe enough? Also is 2 days of cycle support ok seeing im only starting on 10mg for a week?
 
bigbiceps said:
Thanks for the advice mate!! Getting more isnt really an option so I will just take what I have in terms of the epistane. My mate already took his and got some good gains! Is my PCT that I am proposing safe enough? Also is 2 days of cycle support ok seeing im only starting on 10mg for a week?
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For that cycle; probably. But I'm not a fan of 10mg/day for a week. That's just me, though. To me, that is just a waste of epi because you won't feel it at 10mg. When you say 2 days of cycle support, that's in reference to how many days prior to cycle you were planning on taking it, right? If so, then yeah. It's a toss-up on if you want to pre-load or not. It's a safety precaution. I will just because I like to stay on the safe side, but at that low of a dose, you're fine (even though I don't advocate that low of a dose).

As far as the coffee goes, it's fine. It's more of a personal thing with people and if it has any interactions with their BP or not. Just keep an eye on your BP and go from there.
 
thanks for the advice mate, just took first one today will keep updated on here how its all going! I know the dose is low, im just trying to be as safe as possible due to my PCT not being strong.
 
Ok day 4 now, did chest at gym today, did a personal best on bench press, 120kg for 5 reps. Strength has increased a bit, also seem to have lost a bit of fat. My testicles felt a little weird.. Does anyone know if it's ok to have Valium on cycle? I take it occasionally rather than drink. Another bad thing is i feel I an getting a bit sick. Are antibiotics a big no on cycle?
 
Ok guys I'm on day 5 now, going to 20mg in 2 days. All I have so far for pct is creatine, 1 bottle 6 oxo extreme, animal pak, zinc. What else do I need? and how do I take it?
 
Ok iv been doing some reading, it looks like animal stak could be a good addition. Is this right? Please help guys I'm trying to get together a pct program but don't know enough to be sure in what I'm doing or even the timing of when to take stuff
 
I checkedmy blood pressure a few times this evening on day 6 of epistane cycle and did not do any training today. The readings were between 140/80 and 170/80. Should I be concerned? I'm already taking fish oils and cycle support
 
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