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Superdrol or PP only on workout days or only 2X per week?

ITguy

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I'm not looking to get flamed for this but, has anyone ever experimented with this idea to maintain gains and maximize workouts?

The test would be to take 10mg of superdrol on workout days only. Or possibly, only 2 days per week on your biggest workout days.

The idea would be to get the pump for a good workout as well as take advantage of the temporary increased protein synthesis for the large post workout meal and overnight recovery. Then the superdrol would slowly be eliminated from the body as you recover from the workout and in theory not cause shutdown even after weeks and weeks of this method of supplementation.

Has anyone ever tried this method of supplementation to gain or preserve lbm? You could stack all the classic test boosters and supplements along side this method since ideally it wouldn't cause shutdown of the HPTA.
 
uh. that's a bad idea. it just keeps you in a constant limbo and will mess up your metabolism. why not..... do a 2 week cycle for strength/mass gains on pp and sd. sd gives good gains and strength the first 2 weeks. then use "test boosters" or something i like to use like anabol-x w/ AX's pct and nolva. after ur done. milk thistle throughout w/ ryr and flax/fish oils.
 
I understand it may not be the greatest idea and that's why I put the flame comment in there. But this is a gray area that even today is not fully understood by the medical and supplement community.

For the sake of research it may be worth testing for say a 2-3 month period to see:

1. If the sporatic dose is even sufficient enough to provide any anabolic and LBM benefit or maintain post PCT LBM levels.
2. If the sporatic lose dose has the side effect of eventually disrupting the body's delicate HPTA balance or
3. is their no disruption of the HPTA due to the temporary nature of each dose which fully exits the body before the HPTA adjusts to the exogenous androgens.
4. Will this low dose not negatively affect lipid levels and liver enzyme values as the consistent daily dose dose. Even after 3 months, the total mg's of SD ingested would be less than a conservative 3 week 10/10/20 SD cycle.

If anyone has tried any similar method, please post your thoughts.
 
I dont think has done this for the reasons that people have mentioned. Constantly fluctuating your hormones is not a good idea. I also dont think your going to see any gains, and even if you do, they will be very minimal. Also, I think that by running them for a longer duration, just not as often, will be just as damaging to your lipids/liver profile just as much, if not more because your never really giving your liver a sufficient amount of time to recover.
 
Well I am trying something similar right now I ran PP/Pro at 20mg/100mg two weeks Today was the first day on Superdrol which I will run for two full weeks I gained eight pounds.I am much stronger and more explosive I was hand timed at 4.72 at 250 in the 40 and I average 12pts 9 reb and 2 blocks per game in my rec basketball league off the bench. I only running the Superdrol at 20mg because my last cycle had me feeling like crap for real. I think low dosage would be better than just taking it on work out days.Just my 2 cents.
 
elto-guy, how do you run/sprint on SD? i find extremely discomforting shin splints and hot pain that lasts for weeks if i run/spring during a sd cycle. or do you gain the strength/mass then run post-cycle?
 
gotripped said:
elto-guy, how do you run/sprint on superdrol? i find extremely discomforting shin splints and hot pain that lasts for weeks if i run/spring during a superdrol cycle. or do you gain the strength/mass then run post-cycle?
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You don't...you wait until several days into PCT when the painful pumps start to subside. SD...great for bulking...sucks BAD for running (especially sprinting).
 
idunk42 said:
I dont think has done this for the reasons that people have mentioned. Constantly fluctuating your hormones is not a good idea. I also dont think your going to see any gains, and even if you do, they will be very minimal. Also, I think that by running them for a longer duration, just not as often, will be just as damaging to your lipids/liver profile just as much, if not more because your never really giving your liver a sufficient amount of time to recover.
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Constant flux of hormones a bad idea? How so?

That seems to be everyone's response to this cycle proposal. 1 superdrol cap will not eliminate test, it is only mildly suppressive, so your body has both test and SD to use for protein synthesis. I think SD twice a week is a great idea, or at the very least worth testing. Dr. D had great success with pulsing dianabol in a similar way. He gained 10 pounds in 6 weeks; so gains are possible. No post cycle therapy is needed because there is no shutdown (just be careful not to use too much). I doubt there will be much liver and lipid damage at 20mg per week, but that can only be proven through blood tests. No one has yet to give a good reason not to experiment with this idea.

ITguy, I asked Dr.D the very same question you asked, and he approved. Here's the thread:
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I would take it pre or postworkout only, because that's when androgens are most needed. I plan to pulse 1T in a month or two once I have a fair bit stocked up. I encourage you to try pulsing SD for 6-8 weeks and post up your results. This could turn out to be a safer and less suppresive way to cycle methyls.
 
The thread you are questioning is regarding taking it for 2 weeks straight, with no breaks. That is totally different than what is being proposed.

So whats the point of actually taking the SD this way? For some kind of extra pump? Why would you put a PH into your body for a little bit of extra energy? Does this really seem worth it?

If you really think its worth testing, then by all means go for it. In all likelihood you will see minimal sides, but you will also see minimal results. I doubt the gains that you make will be very significant, if there is even any. The gains that you do make, will most likely be attributed to your diet and training and not because of the SD.
 
Hey we had the same idea doom! This pulse method might work for those who can only get to the gym 1 to 3 times per week. All we need now is for some more lab rats to run the experiments. With nolva on hand just in case, of course. The key would be to slam the protein/calories on dose/workout days and the next day thereafter to maximize the short time of hightened anabolic activity. And yes, obviously you shouldn't expect much from this method, except for maybe maintaining muscle gained from previous cycles.

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Originally Posted by doom3q
"DR. D: I do like the idea of 'pulse' cycles. I got a crazy idea i'd like you to critic. I was wondering if you think using 10mg superdrol 2 or 3 times a week postworkout only would be suppressive? In my mind this is when most hypertrophy occurs, so it's best to add in the androgens then. Because of the low dose and infrequent use, this should not affect lipids and blood pressure. You stated before that m5aa used like this(3x a week) preworkout should have little shutdown, would you say the same for superdrol used in this manner?

dumb idea, or worth trying?

much appreciated!"

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Originally Posted by Dr. D
"I bet it would work. I've done similar low dose protocols (10mg M14 pre-w/o 3-4x/wk) during the last half of PCTs. The halflife of any oral is at least 6hrs, so I take it pre-w/o to get that extra kick plus load the cals after, but either way is fine. I used M14 because infrequent, low dose dbol is shown to actually boost LH output. Superdrol would be a good choice due to it's strong anabolism and low suppression. Just keep the dose to 10mg I'd say."
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idunk42 said:
The thread you are questioning is regarding taking it for 2 weeks straight, with no breaks. That is totally different than what is being proposed.

So whats the point of actually taking the superdrol this way? For some kind of extra pump? Why would you put a PH into your body for a little bit of extra energy? Does this really seem worth it?

If you really think its worth testing, then by all means go for it. In all likelihood you will see minimal sides, but you will also see minimal results. I doubt the gains that you make will be very significant, if there is even any. The gains that you do make, will most likely be attributed to your diet and training and not because of the superdrol.
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Fair enough. I wasn't taking a stab at you, it just seems when ever there is a new method or supplement, there's alot of trash talk with no science (ex. ATD only post cycle therapy). I'm just curious about pulsing for strength gains, but it could also make some decent mass gains (which I'd like to test). If endo-test is uneffected and bloodwork seems fine, this could be a safe alternative to running complete cycles.

ITguy: If I get my 1test I'll pulse it and log my progress weekly. Should be interesting if this works, considering no post cycle therapy is needed and dosing for extended periods is acceptable.
 
Well I never really had a problem with Superdrol effecting my legs thats why I keep the doses low 20mg because any higher and I would get very painful lowerback pumps .Other than that I run first thing in the morning and then take my first cap and go to work take my next dose around 4 hit the gym at six.
 
i "pulsed" sd MWF, so 3 days a week on hst, and gained bout 10lbs in 4 weeks =] keept my boys 2, but not the gains as diet wasnt the best.. i reckon it was just carb retention from the volume hst which it is
 
late post, it actually works very well, did 8 wks workout on sunday and thursday, took 10mg pre workout then 10mg 5 hrs later(superdrol), gained 17lbs good strength gains, very few sides, took boosters and dhea on off days, took otc pct, not sure if I even needed it.
 
amethyst said:
late post, it actually works very well, did 8 wks workout on sunday and thursday, took 10mg pre workout then 10mg 5 hrs later(superdrol), gained 17lbs good strength gains, very few sides, took boosters and dhea on off days, took otc pct, not sure if I even needed it.
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It really put on 17 pounds taking it twice per week? I was contemplating the same thing to avoid PCT and so forth although i do have nolva anyway.
 
now this is a very interesting idea. Once a week. No worries or pct. No worries or suppression. A small slight edge. May not give the full benefits. But seems like it could give some benefits without any of the negatives.
 
Tman360 said:
now this is a very interesting idea. Once a week. No worries or pct. No worries or suppression. A small slight edge. May not give the full benefits. But seems like it could give some benefits without any of the negatives.
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11yrs ago it seemed like a good idea, today (11yrs later) we know it’s not.
 
BBiceps said:
Well, you quoted a 11yr old post.
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Yes because I was looking into something like this. And it’s like One of the only threads I can find talking about It. So when you said we know it’s not a good idea i figured you knew of anecdotes of people saying so.

that doesn’t seem to be the case. I am not sure just how much 10mg of superdrol would suppress the hpta once a week. But if it is very minor then I don’t imagine massive swings with hormones would happen. Unfortunately without any data to go off of. No idea
 
Tman360 said:
Yes because I was looking into something like this. And it’s like One of the only threads I can find talking about It. So when you said we know it’s not a good idea i figured you knew of anecdotes of people saying so.

that doesn’t seem to be the case. I am not sure just how much 10mg of superdrol would suppress the hpta once a week. But if it is very minor then I don’t imagine massive swings with hormones would happen. Unfortunately without any data to go off of. No idea
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It’s a reason why it’s no threads about this and if it sounds too good to be true then most likely it is.

10mg SD once a week would probably not shut you down but you wouldn’t get any results either, anytime you get results it will shut you down to some degree.

I was hoping you would give it a rest when I said it was an 11yr old thread but you seem like you don’t want to drop it but I’m out now, good luck with finding a cheat code.
 
Given one is on TRT or test, pulsing strong orals can be quite effective regardless of the naysayers. I wouldn’t reccomend it without exogenous test supplementation though. You’d be surprised how many elite lifters pulse harsh orals (anadrol, Sdrol, halotestin, even cheque drops).
I’ve had great success with this method and know plenty of others as well. FWIW my old coach has shared some enlightening stories in this regard as well.
 
SkRaw85 said:
Given one is on TRT or test, pulsing strong orals can be quite effective regardless of the naysayers. I wouldn’t reccomend it without exogenous test supplementation though. You’d be surprised how many elite lifters pulse harsh orals (anadrol, Sdrol, halotestin, even cheque drops).
I’ve had great success with this method and know plenty of others as well. FWIW my old coach has shared some enlightening stories in this regard as well.
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^This^ I agree with, pulsing an oral while already on Test can be good but to dose 10mg SD once a week while not being on Test is a waste.
 
Back when Dr D posted about Pulsing I tried this in two cycles

To be perfectly honest (and flame away, I don't post or cycle anymore) these were my favorite cycles. 10mg SD, 3x a week pulsed, ran for 7-8 weeks. Minimal side effects, shut down still occurred but was minimal to moderate level, gains were actually pretty pronounced, slow and steady.

For a total volume of 21 tablets, the gains to side effects profile is unbeatable. There is a great deal of theory about hormones going in cycles or the method being ineffective but in my personal experience, pulsing worked excellently. Most importantly it allowed the extreme effects of a 17aa steroid to be "diluted" over a longer time period for more keepable gains. Let's be honest SD cycle at 10/20/20 3 weeks is poorly suited for keeping gains, running a light pulse for 8 weeks was great.

Just my experience. And I respond great to SD even on 10mg and notice increased glycogen retention after just a few caps.

Cheers
 
UnrealMachine said:
Back when Dr D posted about Pulsing I tried this in two cycles

To be perfectly honest (and flame away, I don't post or cycle anymore) these were my favorite cycles. 10mg SD, 3x a week pulsed, ran for 7-8 weeks. Minimal side effects, shut down still occurred but was minimal to moderate level, gains were actually pretty pronounced, slow and steady.

For a total volume of 21 tablets, the gains to side effects profile is unbeatable. There is a great deal of theory about hormones going in cycles or the method being ineffective but in my personal experience, pulsing worked excellently. Most importantly it allowed the extreme effects of a 17aa steroid to be "diluted" over a longer time period for more keepable gains. Let's be honest SD cycle at 10/20/20 3 weeks is poorly suited for keeping gains, running a light pulse for 8 weeks was great.

Just my experience. And I respond great to SD even on 10mg and notice increased glycogen retention after just a few caps.

Cheers
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Couldn’t agree more
 
If I was going to pulse something a couple times a week it would be oral Trest Ace. Half life is like an hour or two. The strength and endurance gains are unreal. I also felt like it gave me an alpha boost. I basically dropped my PWO on days I took Trest Ace. Would give anything if I could find some.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Back when Dr D posted about Pulsing I tried this in two cycles

To be perfectly honest (and flame away, I don't post or cycle anymore) these were my favorite cycles. 10mg SD, 3x a week pulsed, ran for 7-8 weeks. Minimal side effects, shut down still occurred but was minimal to moderate level, gains were actually pretty pronounced, slow and steady.

For a total volume of 21 tablets, the gains to side effects profile is unbeatable. There is a great deal of theory about hormones going in cycles or the method being ineffective but in my personal experience, pulsing worked excellently. Most importantly it allowed the extreme effects of a 17aa steroid to be "diluted" over a longer time period for more keepable gains. Let's be honest SD cycle at 10/20/20 3 weeks is poorly suited for keeping gains, running a light pulse for 8 weeks was great.

Just my experience. And I respond great to SD even on 10mg and notice increased glycogen retention after just a few caps.

Cheers
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Did you run the SD with anything else though?
 
JKVol said:
If I was going to pulse something a couple times a week it would be oral Trest Ace. Half life is like an hour or two. The strength and endurance gains are unreal. I also felt like it gave me an alpha boost. I basically dropped my PWO on days I took Trest Ace. Would give anything if I could find some.
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AA carries it so you can easily get more if you wanted?
 
JKVol said:
If I was going to pulse something a couple times a week it would be oral Trest Ace. Half life is like an hour or two. The strength and endurance gains are unreal. I also felt like it gave me an alpha boost. I basically dropped my PWO on days I took Trest Ace. Would give anything if I could find some.
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Just reminded me I have a bottle of kodiak labs mentabolan lying around here somewhere…..
 
Stacks1 said:
Did you run the SD with anything else though?
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In the case of pulsing, no, it's not needed. I have run SD with other things, i.e. in bridge cycles, but it is incredible on its own and doesn't need to be stacked.
 
UnrealMachine said:
In the case of pulsing, no, it's not needed. I have run SD with other things, i.e. in bridge cycles, but it is incredible on its own and doesn't need to be stacked.
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Interesting. How does running SD pulsed at 3x per week for 7 weeks compare to running something like hdrol for 6 or 7 weeks? SD like some of the other PHs are usually a little too heavy on the sides for me but this seems like a reasonable way of using it without having to deal with all the sides and losing all the gains.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Back when Dr D posted about Pulsing I tried this in two cycles

To be perfectly honest (and flame away, I don't post or cycle anymore) these were my favorite cycles. 10mg SD, 3x a week pulsed, ran for 7-8 weeks. Minimal side effects, shut down still occurred but was minimal to moderate level, gains were actually pretty pronounced, slow and steady.

For a total volume of 21 tablets, the gains to side effects profile is unbeatable. There is a great deal of theory about hormones going in cycles or the method being ineffective but in my personal experience, pulsing worked excellently. Most importantly it allowed the extreme effects of a 17aa steroid to be "diluted" over a longer time period for more keepable gains. Let's be honest SD cycle at 10/20/20 3 weeks is poorly suited for keeping gains, running a light pulse for 8 weeks was great.

Just my experience. And I respond great to SD even on 10mg and notice increased glycogen retention after just a few caps.

Cheers
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I seem to be either lucky or unlucky but methylated steroids barely touch my liver values. I have ran quite a few sdrol cycles 8 weeks of up to 50mg a day and had only "had a few drinks" elevated ALT/AST values, the other values weren't that high either... Could be a under responder? I do agree that short oral cycles are the cause of people spouting off that orals don't give keepable gains. Maybe I'll try out pulsing and go for 12 week cycles.
 
Stacks1 said:
Interesting. How does running SD pulsed at 3x per week for 7 weeks compare to running something like hdrol for 6 or 7 weeks? SD like some of the other PHs are usually a little too heavy on the sides for me but this seems like a reasonable way of using it without having to deal with all the sides and losing all the gains.
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I can only speculate as Halodrol did little for me, but probably similar. Your reasoning is sound.

Heavy stuff like SD, PP, M1T, it's stupidly overdosed when people blast it for 3 weeks, having their lifts balloon 40 pounds but their body is wracked by back pumps and side effects and giving the body 0 time to acclimate to the gains.

Pulsing makes way more sense. Since the volume of methylated compound is so low and the shutdown is drastically reduced I'd speculate that (while 7-8 weeks is OK) one could probably explore increased durations of 8-12 weeks if serious about it.

Definitely OK to be skeptical of the method, anyone should be and not everyone will react the same. But my body loves SD and if I spin up any more cycles it'll be pulsed SD. Not F'ing around with 8+ weeks of stacking weak crap together when even pulsed SD will give the same results.
 
FloridaMan said:
I seem to be either lucky or unlucky but methylated steroids barely touch my liver values. I have ran quite a few sdrol cycles 8 weeks of up to 50mg a day and had only "had a few drinks" elevated ALT/AST values, the other values weren't that high either... Could be a under responder? I do agree that short oral cycles are the cause of people spouting off that orals don't give keepable gains. Maybe I'll try out pulsing and go for 12 week cycles.
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Ah maybe. SD run like that is unheard of to me... did you try SD from multiple sources? You could be a low-responder yeah but I would have to speculate unless you tried a few brands that you may have gotten something either underdosed or had a different compound subbed in.

I'm a low responder to a host of anabolics (frequently get the hardness and vascularity but no gains, e.g. Halodrol, Epi) but when I hit 20-30mg SD everyday and I was pumped like the hulk, gaining nearly 1 lb/day, blowing up lifts.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I can only speculate as Halodrol did little for me, but probably similar. Your reasoning is sound.

Heavy stuff like SD, PP, M1T, it's stupidly overdosed when people blast it for 3 weeks, having their lifts balloon 40 pounds but their body is wracked by back pumps and side effects and giving the body 0 time to acclimate to the gains.

Pulsing makes way more sense. Since the volume of methylated compound is so low and the shutdown is drastically reduced I'd speculate that (while 7-8 weeks is OK) one could probably explore increased durations of 8-12 weeks if serious about it.

Definitely OK to be skeptical of the method, anyone should be and not everyone will react the same. But my body loves SD and if I spin up any more cycles it'll be pulsed SD. Not F'ing around with 8+ weeks of stacking weak crap together when even pulsed SD will give the same results.
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I like the whole hdrol, pmag, mechabol family because I get good solid, not great or massive, but good solid strength and size gains that are very keepable. Wasn't as big of a fan of epi as everyone else but everyone is different.

This is a very interesting way of using SD though. I'll definitely consider this in the future.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Ah maybe. SD run like that is unheard of to me... did you try SD from multiple sources? You could be a low-responder yeah but I would have to speculate unless you tried a few brands that you may have gotten something either underdosed or had a different compound subbed in.

I'm a low responder to a host of anabolics (frequently get the hardness and vascularity but no gains, e.g. Halodrol, Epi) but when I hit 20-30mg SD everyday and I was pumped like the hulk, gaining nearly 1 lb/day, blowing up lifts.
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Yep, used multiple sources including raws. I'm a under responder to a bunch of things too including Cialis, I can side effect free use 100mg+ of pharma Cialis LOL the boners are intense. My highest weight gain on 50mg sdrol was about 20lbs, after 3 weeks off I kept 12ish?
 
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