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Thanks! That made me feel better. I was hung up on the 1295 vs 1293 when the focus should be mod grf 1-29. Well all I have left to do is order!
In light of that, I've always wondered what GHRP-2/CJC and Clenbuterol would do in PCT. Will be trying it in my next PCT in the fall. (I believe Clen is a cort blocker)ghrp-6 makes some people really hungry, to help with gains. It didnt really do it to me though. You do not want cjc with dac, it causes gh bleed because of the long half life. This is according to dat, who is the man when it comes to this stuff. His research is where I have been learning every thing. Ghrp-2 is the best bang for the buck for gh release. Might be best to include a cort block with it, and something for prolactin also, L dopa. Ipamorelin is about equal to ghrp-6 but without the hunger and cortisol issues. I have been using ghrp-2 during the day, and ipamorelin at night. Liking the results so far.
Well, yes I have been told by those who know more than me regarding Peptides, that CJC1295 NO DAC + GHRP-6 or GHRP-2 will amplify the effect greatly, where a 1+1=5 sum is reached, meaning the aggregation or compounded effect of these two products taken together would push through the glass ceiling where GH pulse is concerned.So why do CJC and the GHRP products stacts stack so well together? Will GHRP not release much GH without the CJC? Will I not be able to get any leaning or injury healing benefits from just a GHRP product??
Also, at 25, do you think huperzine A and EECG could get my gh to puberty levels, or is that just asking for to much from supplememnts?
I think those perspectives have some scientific backing. How much I'm not sure. But Carbs/Fats blunt GH release....so if you're doing it pre workout you'd need to eat your preworkout close to 1.5-2 hours prior to your workout. If you're doing it PWO you can take it with some BCAAs and wait 30 min then eat. Think of the BCAAs like mortar and GHRP/GHRH are the bricks.There are arguments for pre and post. Pre so you get the pulse while working out and an IGF spike, and also less Free Fatty Acids circulating.
I think the best argument for post is for post workout nutrition, so it block adipocytes and you get the spike when you're most receptive to recovery and growth. This works best with doing IGF-DES pre-workout and GHRP/GHRH post.
Both work fine IMO as long as you don't have food before and wait 30 minutes after. I like GHRP-6 before big meals, and Ipa all other times.
These are just my "bro-science" perspectives, based on personal experience, so take it with a grain of salt.
Interested in said study, didn't know one existed...I think those perspectives have some scientific backing. How much I'm not sure. But Carbs/Fats blunt GH release....so if you're doing it pre workout you'd need to eat your preworkout close to 1.5-2 hours prior to your workout. If you're doing it PWO you can take it with some BCAAs and wait 30 min then eat. Think of the BCAAs like mortar and GHRP/GHRH are the bricks.
If I have the time I will try to dig up a study that shows the difference between pre and post workout or at least an answer as to which is better and why.
What do you dose the peptides at? I had good results 300mcg Ipa and 150mcg Mod GRF 2 times a day, and even better when adding GHRP-6 and Mod GRF in the afternoon before lunch. I really noticed a difference for muscle gains when I changed dosing to be 30 minutes before food.There may or may not be one.....just swore I read one at some point....I probably won't be able to find it either I don't have the slightest as to where I read it
As far as the patch vs peptides you can go either way I think. Optimal would be to use both. If you had to pick one or the other it's a toss up. Peptides are better at preserving muscle and I haven't seen any huge gains off of either the patch or the peptides.
I was cutting and dosing GHRP-2 100mcg and Mod GRF 100mcg 3x per day AM, PWO, and PM. I would wait 30 min before eating anything after dosing. Eventually I bumped it up to 200mcg GHRP-2.What do you dose the peptides at? I had good results 300mcg Ipa and 150mcg Mod GRF 2 times a day, and even better when adding GHRP-6 and Mod GRF in the afternoon before lunch. I really noticed a difference for muscle gains when I changed dosing to be 30 minutes before food.
I just do subq. I don't know too many people who do peptides IM. You can do it....would probably work better with IGF. You'll just have to read and experiment and see what you like best.TheDarkHalf, what's your opinion on localised IM injection for growth or recovery post OP? I read Russianstar used this method with success and read a few other users who successfully injected Subq, but around the injured area.
Is storing them in the fridge, powder form, okay instead of freezing? I would of thought that repetitive thawing would damage the peptides but may be wrong.
I would appreciate your input.
I too, have not totally bought into the Huperzine theory. Peptides, especially when stacked, and use in saturation dosages, actually approach real growth hormone levels when an athlete works out the math - so I'm not too gung ho on buying more products to impart a slight/marginal effect in the efficacy of the peptides.Huperzine A and EGCG aren't necessary, I think benefits would be marginal, but it's pretty cheap and easy to add. I'd try them to see if it makes a difference for you, I personally like it, little better headrush for me at least. 200mcg Huperzine and 350mg EGCG. You can get Huperzine cheap on Amazon.
GHRH/GHRP combo rocks, try to dose them 30 minutes before food to block adipocytes, best time to dose is the 2 times before your biggest meals and pre or post workout. I like pre-workout, gives me good pumps. You should generally allow 3 hours between doses.
Welcome back!I find the cjc and ipamorelin combo or cjc and ghrp combo to work well, like most here are saying. You coud also add some pGH (tyric-6) as well and maybe some Endoamp Max for the high dose of alpha gpc in the morning along with the injections. Just my 2 cents. There's a lot of good info in this thread!
Good to be here DarkHalf. I like the NTBM lineup.Welcome back!
WHY did you have to make this post? Couldn't you have just moved on, went into another thread, and been happy with life? Do you have ANY idea how embattled my credit card is lately? I've been swiping and typing it's number in almost daily! HAHA.I was skeptical about the huperzine, I will tell you I've never had the head rush, tingly hand thing until the huperzine egcg combo, also dreams were intense before, now they are movie quality. Bad thing am sleeping so deeply I am shutting off my alarm without waking up. As far as what the peps can do check out my pics, under "1st pic post they leaned me out no calorie reduction and no cardio(I hate Cardio)
A M A Z O N . C O MWHY did you have to make this post? Couldn't you have just moved on, went into another thread, and been happy with life? Do you have ANY idea how embattled my credit card is lately? I've been swiping and typing it's number in almost daily! HAHA.
Thanks for the advice man, makes sense. I don't 'want' a headrush, but I suppose if somehow a head rush can be correlated to increased efficacy then I'm on board.
I just need to find a good site with BOTH Huperzine-A and the old Green Tea Extract. Be back in a little bit
I recall significant increases in hunger about 15 minutes after administration. I also recall faster recovery times, a shoulder and elbow joint that didn't hurt anymore while taking it, and decent pumps in and out of the gym. Granted, I only took 100mcg's maybe twice a day at best and stacked it with IGF-1 LR3. IGF dose was low, typically between 20-60 mcg's per day.Been doing a lot of research on GHRP-6, and considering giving it a try. If anyone has used it, it would be great to hear about your experience. Did you keep your weight gains even after discontinuing use? About 140 lbs here, 22 years old, definitely a hardgainer. Looking to bulk up on a 5x5 program. Any thoughts and input would be much appreciated.
Thanks man. I remember when I first joined AM reading a lot of your posts. Glad to have you contributing here again.Good to be here DarkHalf. I like the NTBM lineup.
I have bought many....... many order with Amazon, however when it comes to supplements I just don't think of them! Ugh. The website I ordered from had the Huperzine-A on backorder, which I didn't see or realize until I checked my receipt in my inbox.A M A Z O N . C O M
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PS: I have been noticing BIG TIME water retention whole-body from the GHRP-2, GHRP-6, AND CJC1296 N0 DAC. I am only using both 2 and 6 concomitantly until I run out of 6. I have been doing, ahem, slightly higher doses than those usually advocated, so that may have something to do with the drastic water retention (I am also on 100mcg of IGF-1-LR3 post workout).
I went from a super tight waist and abs all the way down my abdominal wall, to washed out and loose, in a week, with the peptide combination. Oh, also I has a bad allergic-type reaction to rubbing on FormaStanz on my chest and abs, and going tanning about twelve hours later that day. I am itchy all over no where I applied it.
Subscribe and save you get 15% off and free shipping, and they send you the product every X months (1,2,3, or 6 months, your choice). You can cancel the subscription at any time with no penalty. They also send you notices before your next product ships, so you can cancel it then as well.I have bought many....... many order with Amazon, however when it comes to supplements I just don't think of them! Ugh. The website I ordered from had the Huperzine-A on backorder, which I didn't see or realize until I checked my receipt in my inbox.
What do you mean by 'subscribe' and save? I've heard that some items offer monthly shipping, where you can save on the product every time right?
Thanks DarkHalf. You definitely seem to be quite an expert when it comes to peptides. It's good to be back here again, my friend!Thanks man. I remember when I first joined AM reading a lot of your posts. Glad to have you contributing here again.
Well far from an expert. But I've spent a fair amount of time researching them and reading up on them. Thanks man and glad to have you back as well.Thanks DarkHalf. You definitely seem to be quite an expert when it comes to peptides. It's good to be back here again, my friend!
I'm an Amazon addict, and I can't find this feature... maybe it's only offered on certain items? At any rate, I bought multiple bottles of the 200mcg Huperzine-A, and just got in a big supply of ECGC.Subscribe and save you get 15% off and free shipping, and they send you the product every X months (1,2,3, or 6 months, your choice). You can cancel the subscription at any time with no penalty. They also send you notices before your next product ships, so you can cancel it then as well.
Quote:When it comes to the GHRP, -2> -6. This is because there is a smaller spike in cortisol and prolactin.
Cortisol and prolactin increase with ghrp-6 (not ghrp-2)?I would go with GHRP-2 and Mod GRF 1-29. Should recomp you nicely, won't raise prolactin, won't raise cortisol, won't desensitize.
The only time I would recommend GHRP-6 is when you're looking for a large increase in hunger. GHRP-2 is a 2nd gen peptide and has less sides (no hunger, prolactin, or cortisol increase) where the GHRP-6 has all of these to a slight degree.
Go with the 2; its a tighter/stronger peptide than 6. If you're going to take 6 you might as well take Ipamorelin. Its the same strenght without the cortisol/prolactin.
switch to GHRP-2. Less hunger side effects, and zero prolactin/cortisol response
I think you've got that backwards darkhalf. 6 is less likely to raise prolactin and cortisol. 2 is stronger but tend to raise prolactin and cortisol to the higher end of the normal range. 6 makes u hungry. 2 not so bad.
-Not planning on taking 2 or 6 above saturationGHRP-2 Stimulates the pituitary to releasae GH, and the pituitary also releases prolactin. Why this occurs more with GHRP-2 rather than GHRP-6 I'm not sure... Some users will say 2 is better than 6 and vice versa. GHRP-6 has not been shown to increase prolactin like GHRP-2, so (in my opinion, and I'm not a doctor) GHRP-6 is safer as far as sides are concerned.
According to all I've read and personal experience 6 is not as good as 2, I'm never buying 6 again, I still have 4 vials of it, I got noticiable bloat and gained some fat while on it, back on 2 bloat and fat... schwoop disappeared in a week. According to everything else I read, ghrp 2 causes only a minor raise in cortisol and prolactin, it was created after 6, the next generation as it were, Ipamorelin is supposed to raise prolactin the least but I get the least results from it. So I'm sticking with 2. Is that a fair appraisal Darkhalf? Oh and check out the before and afters of my CJC 1295 Ghrp 2 cycleEven if there is a cortisol/prolactin increase with ghrp-2.....it's going to be negligible and will be within range....not like you're going to get bitch tits or lose muscle on peptides