ph/ds pulse cycles

amethyst

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I've got mixed reviews from the idea of pulseing, so I asked my doctor about the idea and also got a second opinion, both responses were the same, for all the responses saying it would be a waist of time and not work out that well and still need a pct, you were right, actually a pct would be needed even more. Both explained to me the body doesn't do a check and balance at night to see what needs to be released as hormones go, the body checks every second of every minute of every hour of every day and so on. Neither didn't know much about sd but one used anadrol as example. From day one the hpta is suppressed 100%, from that point atrophy sets in from lack of use, depending on how long it's down will determin how long recovery is, would most likely take weeks for full shutdown and full atrophy to occure. He explained it like a sprained arm vs broken arm, a two week cast for a sprain will be back up to 100% in a few weeks of use, an 8 week cast for a broken arm would result in major muscle loss and a long recovery time. So if you take a ds for 2 weeks every day you would only have 14 days of suppression, if you pulse eod for 30 days you would have 30 days of suppression at any dose and require longer recovery. The only benefit he would see is damage to the liver, but 2 or 3 weeks wouldn't be that damageing anyway. Both suggested for me not to use it at all, and if I did not to pulse, just run cycle for short durration of a few weeks.
 
yea, i know, it really is just common sense, i dont see why people make themselves believe in sht that isn't real, but w/e floats your boat.
 
Dr.D is the pulsing guru. Read his article on pulsing I can assure you, if done correctly, it does work very well. Pulsing is all I do anymore.
 
BBB said:
Dr.D is the pulsing guru. Read his article on pulsing I can assure you, if done correctly, it does work very well. Pulsing is all I do anymore.
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I have, that was one of the reasons I was debateing on doing it, let my docs read it to, neither was sure where he got his figures, I'll be doing both over the next year with pre blood and a series of post blood work, but I have to get a stress test and get my blood pressure down some before he starts the test.
 
That's exactly why it's recommended to take a hormone with short half life. With the presence of the hormone gone 6 hours later, let's say SD(?), and if what you said is correct, about the recovery time for the system is the same as the suppression time, than will be recovered after 12 hours of the ingestion.
 
if you think it to be true, who's to tell you it isn't, as long as you believe and are happy, thats what matters.

like the old saying goes, ignorance is bliss.
 
amethyst said:
I'll let the bloodwork speak for itself over the next year, I'll keep this post updated, I'll be doing the pulse method first to see if there is supression and how long it takes to rebound 100%
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i'm interested in seein your results. I want to pulse as I believe for stronger/faster compounds it might be beneficial to REALLY limit their use. Think instead of one short 2 week cycle at 10mg ed, you do something like 4 weeks at 5mg eod or something. Then you have more time for receptors to upregulate because you're not "IN" pct yet, you won't lose much gains through the long time off.
 
I have heard of pulses working really well, with bloodwork done too.

Like mentioned, it's all about the individual.
 
amethyst said:
I've got mixed reviews from the idea of pulseing, so I asked my doctor about the idea and also got a second opinion, both responses were the same, for all the responses saying it would be a waist of time and not work out that well and still need a pct, you were right, actually a pct would be needed even more. Both explained to me the body doesn't do a check and balance at night to see what needs to be released as hormones go, the body checks every second of every minute of every hour of every day and so on. Neither didn't know much about sd but one used anadrol as example. From day one the hpta is suppressed 100%, from that point atrophy sets in from lack of use, depending on how long it's down will determin how long recovery is, would most likely take weeks for full shutdown and full atrophy to occure. He explained it like a sprained arm vs broken arm, a two week cast for a sprain will be back up to 100% in a few weeks of use, an 8 week cast for a broken arm would result in major muscle loss and a long recovery time. So if you take a ds for 2 weeks every day you would only have 14 days of suppression, if you pulse eod for 30 days you would have 30 days of suppression at any dose and require longer recovery. The only benefit he would see is damage to the liver, but 2 or 3 weeks wouldn't be that damageing anyway. Both suggested for me not to use it at all, and if I did not to pulse, just run cycle for short durration of a few weeks.
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Well it is has been studied.
You can find references from both human treatment too administering antibiotics to fish using the pulse therapy.


“STEROID PULSE THERAPY FOR RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS: EFFECT ON
LYMPHOCYTE SUBSETS AND MONONUCLEAR CELL ADHESION”
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Pulse steroid therapy.
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Intravenous supra-pharmacological doses of corticosteroids are used in various inflammatory and autoimmune conditions because they are cumulatively less toxic than sustained steroid treatment at lower quantitative dosage.

If one googles looking for research & treatment information on Pulse Steroid Therapy, it can be found.

But you will find there are doctors on both side of the fence on this kind of treatment.
Just as you will find on this board. That there are people who are on both sides of the fence about Pulsing Steroids.

There is a reason they call it practicing medicine.
Because they never know everything and change they way things are treated over time. Something totally unacceptable at one time may later be found to have merit. But it may also be proven not to be viable.

What works for one patient may not work for another. It is an individual kind of thing.
 
middleageguy said:
Well it is has been studied.
You can find references from both human treatment too administering antibiotics to fish using the pulse therapy.


“STEROID PULSE THERAPY FOR RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS: EFFECT ON
LYMPHOCYTE SUBSETS AND MONONUCLEAR CELL ADHESION”
Link -->>Invalid Link Removed

Pulse steroid therapy.
Link -->>Invalid Link Removed
Intravenous supra-pharmacological doses of corticosteroids are used in various inflammatory and autoimmune conditions because they are cumulatively less toxic than sustained steroid treatment at lower quantitative dosage.

If one googles looking for research & treatment information on Pulse Steroid Therapy, it can be found.

But you will find there are doctors on both side of the fence on this kind of treatment.
Just as you will find on this board. That there are people who are on both sides of the fence about Pulsing Steroids.

There is a reason they call it practicing medicine.
Because they never know everything and change they way things are treated over time. Something totally unacceptable at one time may later be found to have merit. But it may also be proven not to be viable.

What works for one patient may not work for another. It is an individual kind of thing.
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Thanks for the links kind sir :D
 
bla55 said:
I have heard of pulses working really well, with bloodwork done too.

Like mentioned, it's all about the individual.
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That's one of the things he explained to me is it's individual and frequency. Said when he was in college back in the 70s they would run 2 /3week cycles a year with orals and didndt do anything for pct (would not recommend it with current knowledge of steroids and availability of serms). Told me most people will respond fine after first cycle,but most want to do next cycle and don't give enough time to recover 100%. But that's not what he is testing me for, he is seeing how long it will take natural test production to recover in full after a 2week ed cycle and then a 28day eod, along with lipids and any thing else he feels like checking on.
 
amethyst said:
That's one of the things he explained to me is it's individual and frequency. Said when he was in college back in the 70s they would run 2 /3week cycles a year with orals and didndt do anything for pct (would not recommend it with current knowledge of steroids and availability of serms). Told me most people will respond fine after first cycle,but most want to do next cycle and don't give enough time to recover 100%. But that's not what he is testing me for, he is seeing how long it will take natural test production to recover in full after a 2week ed cycle and then a 28day eod, along with lipids and any thing else he feels like checking on.
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When you say “28day eod”.
Are you saying 28 pulses administered “EOD”? Which would be 9.3 weeks total.
Or are you saying (28 days which is 4 weeks) where the pulses are administered “EOD”?

If you are saying 28 pulses. 9.3 weeks is longer than I have ever heard of anyone pulsing.
I did an 8 week pulse.
So a little more than a week more may be doable, but may also be pushing it a bit.

If you are saying (28 days which is 4 weeks).
Then I think this is too short a period of time.
At this point (during week 4) is where you will really start seeing the results/gains and you will not want to stop at this point.
You will see them prior to week 4 with pulsing.
But I really feel you will not be satisfied with the results of pulsing if you stop at the end of week 4.
 
middleageguy said:
When you say “28day eod”.
Are you saying 28 pulses administered “EOD”? Which would be 9.3 weeks total.
Or are you saying (28 days which is 4 weeks) where the pulses are administered “EOD”?

If you are saying 28 pulses. 9.3 weeks is longer than I have ever heard of anyone pulsing.
I did an 8 week pulse.
So a little more than a week more may be doable, but may also be pushing it a bit.

If you are saying (28 days which is 4 weeks).
Then I think this is too short a period of time.
At this point (during week 4) is where you will really start seeing the results/gains and you will not want to stop at this point.
You will see them prior to week 4 with pulsing.
But I really feel you will not be satisfied with the results of pulsing if you stop at the end of week 4.
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4 week 28day, he his checking for suppression of same dose mg for mg over 14days and then 28days so that I can see there is more supression and longer recovery time for 28day theory, trust me I'm actually hopeing he is wrong and there is no suppression from the pulse, I'd love to have a safe rout to use these products without the need for proper pct.
 
Furthermore, to those who say pulsing causes too long of a time without a DS in the system, if you have, say 10 mg SD pills, and take 1 a day in order to maintain a low, constant amount of SD in the system, wouldn't that actually not be truly constant, as the half-life of SD is 8 hrs?
 
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